Merged Does CERN prove Einstein wrong?

[Anders Lindman]

Just curious, but was Japan's involvement in WW2 as fake as what made them surrender? Were the survivors of the nuke also fake?

The Japanese Government made a deal with the U.S. government and used the atom bombs as an excuse to surrender and save face. And the U.S. military helped move Soviet troops out of Japan at the end of the war. Without that help, Japan may have ended up divided into an eastern (Communist) and western block, just as Germany. By making a deal with the U.S. government Japan didn't have to be divided like that.

 

[Anders Lindman]

If one is producing a lot more energy in the same time frame, why would the size of the resulting blast be equal? It will spread out as much as the energy allows.

I meant even with the same amount of energy. That atom bombs supposedly convert much more of the energy into heat radiation than conventional explosives.

 

[Anders Lindman]

So those were model battleships the Baker shot was tossing around?

You seem to forget that these things are observed, and can be measured. Scaled.

Model battleships? Perhaps! I have seen some videos showing ships affected by an atom bomb explosion but haven't examined it in detail.

 

[nomuse]

Energy is energy. I suspect the only difference you'll get is in much smaller explosions. On a smaller scale, the expanding gases of the actual combustion (for low explosives) or the shock wave (for high explosives) will dominate. But above a certain limit, your interaction with the explosion is predominately through the expansion of superheated air (the fireball), and the source of that heat could be nuclear, chemical, or kinetic (such as in large meteorite impacts).

The prime difference in nuclear explosions is the neutron pulse, and of course the fallout (which is both scattered bomb materials, and nearby matter which has been turned into other isotopes via neutron injection).

But this is just off the top of my head. I'd have to read a lot more to have an opinion I trusted.

 

[Greedo]

Model battleships? Perhaps! I have seen some videos showing ships affected by an atom bomb explosion but haven't examined it in detail.

Really? Anders, where was that great evidence of yours again?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Okay, please explain in detail, in your own words how an atom bomb works. You found out all this incredible stuff, then you must be able to explain that.

The Wilson Cloud was new information to me. That made me think that a real atom bomb explosion would not generate such Wilson Clouds as we see in some of the videos and images of nuclear explosions since they produce much more heat radiation than conventional explosives even when the same amount of energy is released. But I haven't investigated this. This is just something that I came up with on the fly, right now.

 

[Drachasor]

I meant even with the same amount of energy. That atom bombs supposedly convert much more of the energy into heat radiation than conventional explosives.

Heat is just a type of kinetic energy. It is the energy that determines the radius of the explosion.

At the end of an explosion ALL energy from that explosion becomes heat. Sound, light, etc, will turn into heat. Certainly at the beginning of an explosion it isn't heat, because it does measurable work (e.g. the explosion itself).

I can't think of a reason why an explosion would be hotter and yet the same size as another really, assuming the energy, ambient conditions, and detonation time are all the same. It's the net change in energy over a short time that causes the explosion itself after all and that directly determines how big it is.

 

[Travis]

Geysers are real. Nuclear weapons MAY be real, I admit that, but my guess at the moment is that they are a hoax. Fakery all the way, buddy.

Sorry but geysers are not real. Sure you think they are but that's what they want you to think. They've even set up fake geysers all over the world to fool us. I've even been to some of these fake geysers in Yellowstone.

But they are fake. I mean they just look fake. Real ones spew green and purple cats.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Energy is energy. I suspect the only difference you'll get is in much smaller explosions. On a smaller scale, the expanding gases of the actual combustion (for low explosives) or the shock wave (for high explosives) will dominate. But above a certain limit, your interaction with the explosion is predominately through the expansion of superheated air (the fireball), and the source of that heat could be nuclear, chemical, or kinetic (such as in large meteorite impacts).

The prime difference in nuclear explosions is the neutron pulse, and of course the fallout (which is both scattered bomb materials, and nearby matter which has been turned into other isotopes via neutron injection).

But this is just off the top of my head. I'd have to read a lot more to have an opinion I trusted.

But don't atom bomb explosions supposedly generate a lot of heat radiation that is not generated by conventional explosives? The heat radiation travels near the speed of light and would heat up the air molecules preventing any Wilson Cloud from being formed.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

The Japanese Government made a deal with the U.S. government and used the atom bombs as an excuse to surrender and save face. And the U.S. military helped move Soviet troops out of Japan at the end of the war. Without that help, Japan may have ended up divided into an eastern (Communist) and western block, just as Germany. By making a deal with the U.S. government Japan didn't have to be divided like that.

Citation please

 

[Anders Lindman]

Sorry but geysers are not real. Sure you think they are but that's what they want you to think. They've even set up fake geysers all over the world to fool us. I've even been to some of these fake geysers in Yellowstone.

But they are fake. I mean they just look fake. Real ones spew green and purple cats.

Interesting theory. lol. I don't see how it relates to the CERN result though.

 

[sol invictus]

Geysers are real. Nuclear weapons MAY be real, I admit that, but my guess at the moment is that they are a hoax. Fakery all the way, buddy.

So... are nuclear power plants fake too?

'Cause if they are, you should go into the reactor core at Fukushima or Chernobyl and come out perfectly healthy, that would prove the hoax.

But if they're not and they can melt down and explode (like Fukushima and Chernobyl did), then they themselves were atomic bombs (not very efficient ones, but then, they designed not to explode).

 

[Anders Lindman]

Citation please

I don't have the sources saved but I remember that there was a difference between what the BBC said in a documentary and what a panel of experts on the atom bombs and the Manhattan project said about Harry Truman's communication with the Japanese government. It was like the total opposite information! So that's something suspicious right there.

 

[Border Reiver]

Bollocks.

If nuke weapons were faked in '45 and at Bikini in '46 then 1000s were in on the conspiracy and those are just the sailors and airmen involved in the Bikini shot.

What of all the Soviet, Chinese, English, French, Indian and Pakistani scientists that have duplicated the American feat since? Are they and all there governments since complicit?

The big Three in WWII could barely agree on how to defeat their enemies, let alone come up with a story like the atomic bomb and be able to maintain the facade for nearly 70 years without some disgruntled individual spilling the beans, oh and then there's the faking of all the damages in Japan, the independent development of the weapons in several countries and the surface testing done until 1963.

If you know of anyone capable of that level of deception, then we should publically acknowledge our proper overlords.

 

[Anders Lindman]

So... are nuclear power plants fake too?

'Cause if they are, you should go into the reactor core at Fukushima or Chernobyl and come out perfectly healthy, that would prove the hoax.

But if they're not and they can melt down and explode (like Fukushima and Chernobyl did), then they themselves were atomic bombs (not very efficient ones, but then, they designed not to explode).

I have started to believe that even nuclear power plants could be a hoax and that they really are water fuel cell plants. Of course, it's a super kooky theory, yet it fits the Big Lie picture. If I had to guess at this moment, I would say, no, nuclear power plants are not a hoax, but at the same time I want to have all options on the table.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Bollocks.

If nuke weapons were faked in '45 and at Bikini in '46 then 1000s were in on the conspiracy and those are just the sailors and airmen involved in the Bikini shot.

What of all the Soviet, Chinese, English, French, Indian and Pakistani scientists that have duplicated the American feat since? Are they and all there governments since complicit?

The big Three in WWII could barely agree on how to defeat their enemies, let alone come up with a story like the atomic bomb and be able to maintain the facade for nearly 70 years without some disgruntled individual spilling the beans, oh and then there's the faking of all the damages in Japan, the independent development of the weapons in several countries and the surface testing done until 1963.

If you know of anyone capable of that level of deception, then we should publically acknowledge our proper overlords.

Here is an example of a Pakistani nuclear explosion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-8FITQW_2o

Doesn't look very convincing to me. Nothing can prevent the Pakistani government from claiming to have nuclear weapons. A claim is not the same as actually having real nuclear weapons.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

In the video we see a huge steam ball expanding well past the positions of the nearby clouds. What temperature would that steam have had?

Cooler than the air around it. It's caused during the pressure lowering phase of the wave. At the distances of the clouds in the foreground the wave passes through the air and once it has passed the air goes back to the way it was before the shock wave. It causes temporary condensation.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I don't have the sources saved but I remember that there was a difference between what the BBC said in a documentary and what a panel of experts on the atom bombs and the Manhattan project said about Harry Truman's communication with the Japanese government. It was like the total opposite information! So that's something suspicious right there.

fail

 

[Anders Lindman]

Let's look at a really crazy conspiracy theory. This is fun. Let's say that nuclear power plants are a hoax. Why would they fake something like that? To create a public front for secret energy technologies such as zero-point energy extraction. A bit far-fetched conspiracy theory, but what the heck.

To make it a smokescreen public front they needed to make radioactivity into something dangerous. So the prediction here is that scientists started saying that radioactivity is dangerous about the same time as the first nuclear power plants were constructed.

 

[sol invictus]

I have started to believe that even nuclear power plants could be a hoax and that they really are water fuel cell plants.

You seem to be capable of believing quite a bit...

So why not act on your beliefs - it's easy enough to go into the Chernobyl exclusion zone, so go in there, go as close as you can to the reactor core, drink some water you find, etc. Record all that on video as you go.

After you get out - perfectly healthy, since it's all a hoax - you'll be super famous and can make millions from speaking tours.