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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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snook1 said:
Was it resolved already how many lawyers are speaking today for each side?

Was it upheld that only one per side?

Mignini is up and, as usual, have nothing interesting to say. The same old BS.
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So far Costagliola, Mignini and Comodi have all spoken. From the tweets, they have been rather poor - relying on the race card and bringing up irrelevant details regarding the innocence or guilt of AK and RS. It's despicable that Mignini can say thinks like "are you going to let this murder be blamed only on poor Rudy?". There's something very fishy about Mignini and Rudy, IMO.
 
So they haven't gone with "only one advocate per side of the case" then?

I'm intrigued by Costaglioli's role in all this. For a so-called lead prosecutor to take such a back seat is odd, in particular when he's pushing all the work on to the prosecutor from the first-line trial who isn't supposed to be there at all.

Rolfe.
 
Mignini getting desperate

http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/C...ondannare-Amanda-e-Raffaele_312500889068.html :

''Li dovete condannare. Sappiamo che in caso di assoluzione ci sarebbe subito una fuga all'estero. Per questo, nonostante questo sia il secondo di tre gradi di giudizio in Italia, sta a voi rendere giustizia''... Mignini ha anche riferito di un incontro che ha avuto con una donna americana che le avrebbe detto: ''E' colpevole (Amanda, ndr), ha raccontato troppe bugie''.

"You have to convict them. We [all] know that in the event of acquittal there would be an immediate flight from the country. This is why you are the ones who need to render justice, even though this is [only] the second of the three stages of judgement in Italy"... Mignini also reported an encounter he had with an American woman who told him: "She [Amanda] is guilty, she told too many lies".
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Wow. Pathetic, really.
 
smkovalinksy said:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/29/world/europe/italy-knox-appeal/I wonder how long after the statements? In the U.S., deliberation can drag on for days and even up to 2 weeks. Why are they so sure the verdict will even come on Monday? I must say, reading over at PMF, their predictions of life sentences, of Knox screaming at the verdict, are beginning to make me feel ill. ...
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Hang in there.

Speaking of screaming - I have a vision of a certain Francesco Maresca screaming like a girl as Curt Knox grabs him by his expensive collar and tie and stops just short of re-arranging his enormous schnoz for him.
 
It gets better

Remember all that talk about who the "real victim" is? Mignini has the answer:


"Quando ai telegiornali ho sentito parlare di 'crocifissa dai media' ho pensato alla Stefanoni...e invece si parlava di Amanda".

"When I heard on the news about 'crucified by the media', I thought of Stefanoni...but they were talking about Amanda".
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LondonJohn said:
I'm actually quite tired of pushing back against the increasingly-desperate rationalisations and dogmatic mantras of many of the pro-guilt commentators. Their behaviour now reminds me of nothing more than the well-known soliloquy from Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 19-28). I just hope they will come to understand the truth some day, hopefully not too long after Knox and Sollecito are rightfully acquitted. And I hope that they think twice before deploying their "sound and fury" the next time, but something tells me they might be just as indiscriminate with their next targets. Some people, it seems, never learn.
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I think their problem is essentially rooted in their closed-community mentality. I read their discussions when the C&V report came out, and they were absolutely desperate to discredit the report. They ran around in their bumbling amateur fashion trying to pick holes in it, and came up mainly with criticisms of the reference list. Which I didn't see being raised in court at all. They also decided that C&V were academics with no practical knowledge of what they were talking about, and that the DNA was there anyway so it didn't matter.

They allowed nobody into their little group to present a contrary view about the laughable video of the evidence collection, or even to remind them that C&V were the court-appointed experts and their report was in fact absolutely damning. They decided the report was discredited, and that was that.

Then, in court, of course the prosecution made some of the same points. The PMF crew applauded and cheered and patted each other on the back for being right. That's fine, C&V have been neutralised, the report is off the table. No dissenting voice is heard or allowed to be heard, so this is taken as a definite conclusion.

The possibility that Hellman didn't agree with the prosecution's criticisms of C&V doesn't even seem to have crossed their minds. (Some of) the same criticisms they themselves had thought of were made in court, so they were self-evidently correct. Hellman must think as they do, because obviously nobody thinks any differently.

I think it may come as a big shock to them to realise that Hellman understands C&V very well, and realises that they have completely trashed the forensics. For the simple reason that if he had been minded to accept that the forensics were valid, he would more or less have been bound to have allowed further reviews of the evidence the defence requested.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
I think their problem is essentially rooted in their closed-community mentality. I read their discussions when the C&V report came out, and they were absolutely desperate to discredit the report. They ran around in their bumbling amateur fashion trying to pick holes in it, and came up mainly with criticisms of the reference list. Which I didn't see being raised in court at all. They also decided that C&V were academics with no practical knowledge of what they were talking about, and that the DNA was there anyway so it didn't matter.

They allowed nobody into their little group to present a contrary view about the laughable video of the evidence collection, or even to remind them that C&V were the court-appointed experts and their report was in fact absolutely damning. They decided the report was discredited, and that was that.

Then, in court, of course the prosecution made some of the same points. The PMF crew applauded and cheered and patted each other on the back for being right. That's fine, C&V have been neutralised, the report is off the table. No dissenting voice is heard or allowed to be heard, so this is taken as a definite conclusion.

The possibility that Hellman didn't agree with the prosecution's criticisms of C&V doesn't even seem to have crossed their minds. (Some of) the same criticisms they themselves had thought of were made in court, so they were self-evidently correct. Hellman must think as they do, because obviously nobody thinks any differently.

I think it may come as a big shock to them to realise that Hellman understands C&V very well, and realises that they have completely trashed the forensics. For the simple reason that if he had been minded to accept that the forensics were valid, he would more or less have been bound to have allowed further reviews of the evidence the defence requested.

Rolfe.
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Exactly.

If Hellmann wanted to convict, the C-V report would have caused him to prolong the appeal, rather than trying to bring it to a speedy conclusion.
 
DarkStar2011 said:
Interesting theory. The fly in the ointment, of course, is that they're saying that Kercher's window is the same as "Marta"'s, the one they could climb in for midnight visits. But, of course, the window where the break-in occurred was Filomena's room. So, unless the guys misidentified "the window of Meredith," they were saying there was a way you could get to the window of her room, not Filomena's, from the outside...which is not how the break-in occurred.
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If I recall correctly Marta was the girl who lived in Filomena's room before Filomena. ie the room the break-in occurred.
 
I think the fact that a convicted abuser of power is presenting the closing arguments for the prosecution says it all for this case

I just read Frank's last offering,probably his best yet,how the prosecutors and the local press mocked CDV in the first trial and how the tide has turned this time round,with everybody riveted to their seats in silence to listen to him speak,nobody had any interest in listening to Maresca this time round even if he stooped to showing porn to get their attention

Frank at least holds out the prospect that there will be a trial in the future for all of those who orchestrated this travesty of justice,many here feel that the liars planters of evidence perjurers will all get away with what they have done,and maybe ye are right,but in a country where it is possible for a prosecutor to charge scientists with failing to predict an earthquake there must be some possibility that these people will face charges of perverting the course of justice
 
Mignini says the 6'2" lawyer is barely able to reach FR's windows with the tips of his fingers.

Tried to reform Curatolo, again. Said he is very precise (as in giving the wrong time 10 times before getting it right).

Quintavalle asked the other employees if they had also seen the girl that morning (fails to mention he asked that a year later).

Mignini is a lying liar.
 
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BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
Pacelli has gender issues and thinks eye color is an indicator of anima. #amandaknox

Huh?? Anima? I don't understand. Are all blue-eyed people evil in Pacelli's view?
 
First Maligni and now the witch hunter talks about the shopkeeper.
I think the defence are pulling them into a trap with this.
 
bri1 said:
BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
Pacelli has gender issues and thinks eye color is an indicator of anima. #amandaknox

Huh?? Anima? I don't understand. Are all blue-eyed people evil in Pacelli's view?
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I think this is again referring to the two-souled theory, psychology/Carl Jung.
 
Raffaele also has blue eyes (even though Mr. Memory remembers them as brown), much more striking that the Knox girl's rather plain blue eyes. Should probably burn them both. Just to be safe.
 
The copious lies and character assassinations are making me feel sick - it really is a mediaeval witch trial in 2011 - like a Monty Python parody that would be hilarious except this is for real.
 
Barbie (still looking for the real killer) Nadeau updates:

BLNadeau Pacelli finished, court break. #amandaknox
6 minutes ago

BLNadeau Parched Pacelli taking swigs of water as he finishes up his teary-eyed rebuttal in #amandaknox appeal.
8 minutes ago

BLNadeau Pacelli going through a sort of grocery list of #amandaknox vices and says she's not Jessica Rabbit, says this has broken Lumumba's spirit.
10 minutes ago

BLNadeau Chatter among press that judge holding out til Monday to accommodate popular Italian tv program Porta a Porta programming. #amandaknox
12 minutes ago

BLNadeau Pacelli says he has never received a eurocent of €8000 awarded to him for false imprisonment. #amandaknox
13 minutes ago

BLNadeau Pacelli calls 4 her false confession to be considered as testimony. #amandaknox
18 minutes ago

BLNadeau Pacelli asks why it wasn't with a chinese or japanese man and judge says "or red skin" . #allboundariescrossed #amandaknox
19 minutes ago

BLNadeau Pacelli back to how #amandaknox knew that #meredithkercher had sex wiht a man of color.
20 minutes ago
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