Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Someone was kind enough to post this link on Websleuth's, so I am posting it here:

Unarresting the Arrested: FBI Profiler John Douglas on the case against Amanda Knox & Raffaele Sollecito
This article was originally supposed to be published for Il Messaggero. It was given to me as an assignment, after the editor and legal expert of the newspaper saw the Maxim interview with famed FBI profiler, John Douglas, in the January 2011 issue. When the article was turned in, my editor told me – “this article is too dangerous to print in Italy”. So, for your reading pleasure, the article too dangerous for Italy.
http://womanonawire.blogspot.com/2011/09/unarresting-arrested-famed-fbi-profiler.html
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Kid Le said:
I'm with you Scrut. It is obvious that the police needed that translator as an additional force to beat up Amanda. Asserting any other role for the translator, like, ehrm, translating from and to Italian, would be plain ridiculous.
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So now the translator is involved? How deep does this conpiracy go? :eek:
 
Grinder said:
She has been called a serial se killer by a number of PGP over on their sites.

Harry Machine says it all the time and gives a list including an English couple that killed women including the man's ex-wife.
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Fred and Rosemary West? It's so disingenuous... Rose West's early life and dynamic with Fred West is absolutely classic in terms of the (very few) cases of women participating in sex murders. You've got a woman who is borderline in terms of learning difficulties, who was physically and sexually abused by her father in childhood, who met Fred (12 years her senior) and started seeing him when she was 15 years old.
The classic scenario, a woman already victimised meets an older and domineering man who exploits her and twists her further, over years, into something as unrecognisable as he is.

If we are to believe guilters /prosecution / police, then we have in this case a hugely different scenario. We have a female who has no history of any kind of abuse in her childhood, who gets to 20 without displaying any kind of deviant or worrying behaviour, who is the dominant figure, and manages to manipulate Raffaelle in a matter of 6 days, and Rudy in a matter of minutes, to commit a gruesome sex murder with her.
Does. not. make. sense.

If Amanda sues anyone off the back of this case, I really hope 'HarryRag' makes the shortlist...............
 
icerat said:
Forgive me again for my newbie questions, but can you point me to this accusation? I found a hand written note of hers where she talks about an almost dreamlike scenario involving Lumumba, but when I read it it looks like a sleep deprived hypothetical she herself doesn't believe, not an accusation.

I assume I've missed an actual accusation somewhere?
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"I confusedly remember that he killed her'' - that's the line that was in the media the most. I remember when I watched some US documentary about this case and one of the people there said - "who put Amanda on the crime scene?" and the answer was - "Amanda put Amanda on the crime scene". Nothing else, nothing more. There's literally nothing else.

Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito will be freed on Saturday. The case is over.
 
Wildhorses said:
I've always found it sad that the Knox family didn't reach out to the Kerchers. I think that might have helped the Kerchers keep an open mind; though maybe not, seeing as it was a crazy time with a lot of crazy accusations. I've seen others excoriate the Knox family for not reaching out. Yet I know when one seeks legal counsel in the U.S. the FIRST thing your lawyer tells you to do is avoid all communication with involved parties.
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By the time the Knox family arrived in Italy, Amanda had already been arrested for Meredith's murder and the police had declared the case as closed. At that point, it would have been impossible for the Knox family to reach out to the Kerchers.
 
bri1 said:
Fred and Rosemary West? It's so disingenuous... Rose West's early life and dynamic with Fred West is absolutely classic in terms of the (very few) cases of women participating in sex murders. You've got a woman who is borderline in terms of learning difficulties, who was physically and sexually abused by her father in childhood, who met Fred (12 years her senior) and started seeing him when she was 15 years old.
The classic scenario, a woman already victimised meets an older and domineering man who exploits her and twists her further, over years, into something as unrecognisable as he is.

If we are to believe guilters /prosecution / police, then we have in this case a hugely different scenario. We have a female who has no history of any kind of abuse in her childhood, who gets to 20 without displaying any kind of deviant or worrying behaviour, who is the dominant figure, and manages to manipulate Raffaelle in a matter of 6 days, and Rudy in a matter of minutes, to commit a gruesome sex murder with her. Does. not. make. sense.
If Amanda sues anyone off the back of this case, I really hope 'HarryRag' makes the shortlist...............
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Yes that was one of the couples Harry Machine mentions.

But you are so wrong about the highlighted part. She punched a boy when she was eight or six. She was given a noise ticket before she left for Italy and some drunks at the party had been throwing rocks. She had increased her marijuana consumption. She had sex with a man on a train.

Clearly she was moving in the direction of serial sex killer.

ETA: Harry Machine disingenuous, really the nerve of you. Thanks for stopping by ;)
 
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The Central Scrutinizer said:
So now the translator is involved? How deep does this conpiracy go? :eek:
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I knooooow! A translator involved in an interrogation, how preposterous! It is so good to see a good old conspiracy theorist like yourself, not buying these weird ideas from all those pesky skeptics here.
 
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The Central Scrutinizer said:
You said you could provide evidence. I asked you to provide it. Seems pretty clear to me. :confused:
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It was widely reported that she was just learning the language. She was not an Italian language major and it was her third or fourth language.

Even in the trial she had a translator.

What would provide proof to you that she was not fluent in November of 2007?

ETA: From MSNBC Though she had an interpreter next to her, the American spoke in fluent Italian, which she mostly learned in the year and a half she has spent in jail.
 
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bolint said:
This may even be true, she did not expect to be charged with murder. There was a reason that she had accused Lumumba.
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snook1 said:
"I confusedly remember that he killed her'' - that's the line that was in the media the most. I remember when I watched some US documentary about this case and one of the people there said - "who put Amanda on the crime scene?" and the answer was - "Amanda put Amanda on the crime scene". Nothing else, nothing more. There's literally nothing else.

Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito will be freed on Saturday. The case is over.
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OK, the note was in italian (so not written by her), said "I met Patrick. We went to my apartment. Patrick had sex with Meredith. I confusedly remember that he killed her" and was signed by her, reportedly after 14 hours interrogation, and immediately recanted later the same day.
 
icerat said:
OK, the note was in italian (so not written by her), said "I met Patrick. We went to my apartment. Patrick had sex with Meredith. I confusedly remember that he killed her" and was signed by her, reportedly after 14 hours interrogation, and immediately recanted later the same day.
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That's correct. She recanted and also said the police hit her. I don't think she would invent the story of hitting etc that quick. She was hit, even guilters said it's possible.
 
Let's speculate. I found this quote on some other, not very good, site. Here it goes:

Raffaele and Amanda at the bar
The ruling will go on live TV

http://www3.lastampa.it/cronache/sezion ... tp/422471/

Between Saturday and Monday is expected
the final verdict. Even
CNN book a place in
the front row to film the reactions


Anyone can listen "live" the ruling that will decide the future of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, charged with the murder of the young American Meredith Kercher. Following the numerous requests made ​​by Italian and foreign issuers, today the President of the Court, Claudio Pratillo Helllmann, gave his permission to "live television coverage and photo shoots during the reading of the device." In the front row, to film the reactions of two main suspects, including the likes of CNN networks worldwide. The fateful verdict is expected on Saturday and Monday, but for many the game is not yet closed.
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Does anyone think that it's a good sign for Amanda and Raffaele? Or, maybe, Hellmann wants the whole world to see Amanda and Raffaele's reaction when he convicts them?

It's quite huge if you ask me.
 
As the case becomes more intense its as if Maresca feels the need to try even harder, for his leader Mignnini, the Kerchers are of nothing to him it seems, as it becomes obvious this trial is about himself and his career, his 15 minutes in the news...soon coming to an end.

Hopefully this will be over soon, and the SC turns down anymore of this fanatical case from the disturbed prosecutor and disgraceful puppets who loyally follow him.


imo, The Perfect Squad has been ruined, and for all to see in the courtroom who were laughing at their video. Nothing they do now can reverse that.

There's no motive, they've had 4 yrs to find a motive and Toto's in jail, where he should have been, instead of being a puppet witness for the fLying Squad.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
I don't think anyone is accusing Amanda Knox of being a serial killer, are they? As far as we know, she only killed Meredith Kercher.



Did anyone turn cartwheels? Because, as you recall, that's what started this whole thing.
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I was referring to Rude as the serial murderer type.

The cartwheels have two explanations:

1) Men love to watch young women doing cartwheels. With American men, anyway, Amanda would gain their affections doing cartwheels.

2) When I was twenty, I touched my toes to get the blood to my head when I felt lightheaded. The blood vessels of a young person can dilate easily with the result that your heart beats more rapidly and you feel light-headed.

For Rudy to have killed and then gone dancing implies the murder could have been an aphrodisiac for him.

For Amanda to have done cartwheels implied she was nervous.

I can't understand how others could have a different take on these actions.
 
snook1 said:
That's correct. She recanted and also said the police hit her. I don't think she would invent the story of hitting etc that quick. She was hit, even guilters said it's possible.
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As I've said before she wouldn't know they hadn't taped the interview/interrogation so her recounting of the event has even more power.

And as has mentioned before and just today by Doug, why would she finger Patrick if they had left the evidence of Rudy.

The only logical approach would have been for her to steer the police to Rudy. She could easily have named him on the 3rd or 4th saying that he was a creepy guy that hit on all the girls. As the days went by and the police hadn't figured out Rudy she would be panicking that they weren't going to and she needed to help.

She wasn't interrogated for 14 straight hours. She was browbeaten by 12 or so cops for 2 hours after having her phone tapped for 3 days. She was a suspect and the supreme court agreed.
 
smkovalinksy said:
You are entirely correct about grief and behavior: I did not cry at my husband's funeral, though his death was untimely and tragic, and I was devastated. Nothing in Knox's behavior warrants thinking she killed Kercher. But I do not view Rudy as a serial killer, and assume this was his first murder, unplanned and unexpected.
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Sorry for your loss. What can I say? What could Amanda say?

I cried a great deal over the loss of my parents even though they were 83 and 90. I just didn't cry in public. I cried when I had fond memories or wanted to call and tell them something.

I think Guede was stopped before he killed others.

Amanda's behavior was 100% normal for a young woman in love.
 
Grinder said:
As I've said before she wouldn't know they hadn't taped the interview/interrogation so her recounting of the event has even more power.

And as has mentioned before and just today by Doug, why would she finger Patrick if they had left the evidence of Rudy.

The only logical approach would have been for her to steer the police to Rudy. She could easily have named him on the 3rd or 4th saying that he was a creepy guy that hit on all the girls. As the days went by and the police hadn't figured out Rudy she would be panicking that they weren't going to and she needed to help.

She wasn't interrogated for 14 straight hours. She was browbeaten by 12 or so cops for 2 hours after having her phone tapped for 3 days. She was a suspect and the supreme court agreed.
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Yeah, but I don't believe it for a second that Amanda Knox, a foreign student, that had no Italian whatsoever, and as believed by the cops at that time - first time murderer - would be smart enough to fool the police and drive them away from Rudy (just to make sure they don't tie her with him). I find it ridiculous.

She didn't knew who murdered Meredith. The police focused on Patrick. They said she was going to jail for hiding something and covering for somebody. She named Patrick. It's really that simple.
 
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