Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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All this time I never heard about the laxatives.

And I don't know who Jessica Rabbit is.

Despite these gaps in my knowledge of the case, I'm not at all surprised the Cosenza court sentence refuting a forensic analysis by Vecchiotti "accidentally" made its way into Knox appeal file.
 
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Maori on highly contentious computer activity. #amandaknox Judge interrupts and wants a break for 15 minutes.

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Interesting. I would take a break before this part too. Needs attention to detail, not dreaming of the restroom.
 
Dougm said:
Sounds like they are going after the TOD now. Good deal.
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Good deal. At the same time, Perna cleverly tried to discount the importance of ToD yesterday. He seemed to be arguing that "when" is both unknown and irrelevant: all that matters is "who."

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Perna says consultants disagree on time of death and it is not known with certainly, tells jury they don't know for sure. #amandaknox

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Perna says talk of watching movies and using computer irrelevant because time of death not known. #amandaknox
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RoseMontague said:
The Washington Post has an article on it. Another book reference as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ial-in-italy/2011/09/27/gIQAOVcq1K_story.html
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Thanks.

"On Tuesday, Bongiorno likened Knox to the voluptuous character in the “Who Framed Roger Rabbit” film. “Jessica Rabbit looks like a man-eater, but she is a faithful and loving woman.”

Hmm, not sure that was the most compelling analogy. I thought her former Amelie allusion was more apt.

What's your prediction? Mignini and Comodi scared me: made it seem like nothing had changed. I was heartened by Maresca's desperation.
 
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Maori on time of death and digestion of #meredithkercher last meal: pizza and apple cobbler. #amandaknox
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Maori now on the testimony about the sound of running up the metal steps. #amandaknox
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Defense really giving a review of the most sensational aspects of this case that has spanned nearly 4 years:. #amandaknox
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Wildhorses said:
Thanks.

"On Tuesday, Bongiorno likened Knox to the voluptuous character in the “Who Framed Roger Rabbit” film. “Jessica Rabbit looks like a man-eater, but she is a faithful and loving woman.”

Hmm, not sure that was the most compelling analogy. I thought her former Amelie allusion was more apt.

What's your prediction? Mignini and Comodi scared me: made it seem like nothing had changed. I was heartened by Maresca's desperation.
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I think the appeal was decided by Curatolo's tragic testimony and the C&V report along with the video collection of the evidence. What the prosecution has done since that time is just seal the deal.
 
Wildhorses said:
Good deal. At the same time, Perna cleverly tried to discount the importance of ToD yesterday. He seemed to be arguing that "when" is both unknown and irrelevant: all that matters is "who."

@BLNadeauBarbie Latza Nadeau
Perna says consultants disagree on time of death and it is not known with certainly, tells jury they don't know for sure. #amandaknox

@BLNadeauBarbie Latza Nadeau
Perna says talk of watching movies and using computer irrelevant because time of death not known. #amandaknox
23 hours ago
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Wildhorses,

Did Bongiorno pay for this sex change operation?

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Dougm said:
Sounds like they are going after the TOD now. Good deal.
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In fact, it appears that Maori is making essentially the exact argument that we have been making here on ToD (according to transcripts of the televised court proceedings):

1) Meredith's meal started between 6.00 and 6.30pm;

2) Her entire meal was still within her stomach at autopsy - with recognisable semi-digested elements of the pizza and apple crumble;

3) Therefore these two facts, coupled with knowledge of human digestive transit times, mean that Meredith had to have died between 8.30pm and 9.30pm;

4) Since we know Meredith was alive at 9.00pm, she must have died between 9.00pm and 9.30pm;

5) This is corroborated by one person who was proven to have been there: Rudy Guede. And at this point Maori played the court the excerpt of Guede's Skype call where Guede refers to the loud "scream of death" occurring at "around 9.20-9.30" :)

6) Known activity on Sollecito's computer shows he can't have been at the cottage before 9.30pm, and therefore he - and by extension Knox - can be shown to have had nothing to do with Meredith's murder.

So perhaps some of the idiots might want to rethink all the "Google-de-gook" "library-card" insults, and they also might want to eat their ill-chosen words about defence lawyers not bringing up ToD or using any argument similar to that worked through here on JREF. This ToD argument is robust and logical, and it's one of the more significant factors that will contribute to the inevitable acquittals of Knox and Sollecito.
 
RoseMontague said:
I think the appeal was decided by Curatolo's tragic testimony and the C&V report along with the video collection of the evidence. What the prosecution has done since that time is just seal the deal.
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I agree. But I would add in the argument on ToD (which negates the "earwitnesses" and brings the computer activity and phone records more strongly into play). And in addition, it's still probably necessary to attack Quintavalle, the "staging", the "mixed DNA", the partial print on the bathmat, and the interrogations of the 5th/6th November. After all, if all of those were accepted by the court as per the prosecution interpretation (as happened in Massei's court), then it would actually be hard not to find Knox/Sollecito guilty. However, it's very easy to show that each of these elements can be shown to be either significantly unreliable or capable of supporting a non-guilt hypothesis. Therefore, acquittal is inevitable.
 
Grinder said:
At this point the defense has not made any presentation. It's natural to be swayed by the prosecution.

When the PGP spend there time discussing MM, the bath mat footprint and the lawyers there are sleazy I think it speaks to a weak case.

The bath mat print clearly is weak in and of itself and becomes even weaker when put in context. Supposedly A 7 R cleaned the cottage to get rid of their evidence but left the print AND showed it to the police.

I remain a lone advocate for attacking the interrogation which I believe to be the lynch-pin of the entire case. Without the knife and bra not only is the evidence circumstantial but not even directly tied to the kids. The luminol prints are barely footprints much less matching them.

Combine the basic weakness of the minimal evidence and the shoddy police work one would think that would be enough to convict.

The witch trial introduced today will work against conviction. As this simmers through the news and people come to realize that Perugia is holding the first witch trial since the 17th Century they will be appalled.
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If Amanda's statements/confession/accusation of Nov 5-6 2007 had been admitted into her trial, then the individuals who "questioned" her " - the cops (particularly the ones who later signed up for the "calunnia" prosecution), Mignini himself and possibly even Giobbi - could, should, have been called as witnesses and compelled to provide a detailed account of the night.

(how many people signed the "statement"? 30, I seem to recall - everyone at the station that night?)

Had this been the case, a skillful 'crossing' of a succession of these people would have made it very difficult for them to keep to a convincing narrative, no matter how well they had it rehearsed.

Instead, it was admitted simultaneaously in another court and parsed in detail, with the usual disregard (or incomprehension) of the principle of sub judice we've had to get used to.

It was a blunder by the defence to get it excluded in the first place, a knee-jerk lawyer's reaction they didn't give any real thought to.

It surprises me that this has occurred to so few people.
 
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