theRealBob
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I can't believe that when they had their day in court the prosecution was barmy enough to revist the insanely produced sex-game attack scenario.
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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case
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smkovalinksy
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It was a bit of a surprise, wasn't it? Surely the last 2 years of media critique and commentary might have given them cause to take another, slightly less medieval, and more sane, tack.
Chris_Halkides
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not sure whether or not it is worth the risk
You may be the lone advocate, but I suspect that some of the rest of us are at least conflicted about the merits/risks of attacking the interrogation. On the one hand, it may well be the lynch-pin (it seems to be important in public opinion). On the other hand, I wonder what could be said about it that would move the jury toward acquittal without running the risk of backfiring.
Grinder,
You may be the lone advocate, but I suspect that some of the rest of us are at least conflicted about the merits/risks of attacking the interrogation. On the one hand, it may well be the lynch-pin (it seems to be important in public opinion). On the other hand, I wonder what could be said about it that would move the jury toward acquittal without running the risk of backfiring.
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I think that since everyone knows what's in it that isn't a risk. As I've repeated the chief's statement demonstrates to all that the police led her to the accusation. It sets the table for the confirmation bias that has permeated this case. Once again, if Mignini can quote the tab about the noise ticket I think the defense can quote the tab about knowing the truth.
I don't see what the big risk is.
I was thinking it might be a good idea to point out all the cases where people have made statements, even confessed to crimes, that turned out to be false, because of stress, police suggestion, etc. It would just explain that it does happen, and it is not rare.
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I agree with your previous post of the ToD being brought up.
another subject I think about is the girls judgement on Amanda's character.
I would like to know exactly how many minutes they spoke to Amanda? how many evenings did they spend together?
What qualifies them to make judgement on a person they dont really know?
Were they with Amanda and Meredith at the chocolate festival ?
and what about other friendly times, of course the computer experts destroyed the hardrives for any pictures...
Did the other girls go to the chocolate festival with Meredith and Amanda?
Did they ahve even one happy thing to say? One positive at all to speak?
I never got clarity on this issue. Other than the prosecutions interviewed them.
It always seemed odd, if Meredith despised someone, why she would go to festivals with her, and music concerts?
If I recall they all went to dinner a couple times, maybe, per Murder In Italy- Dempsey.
Also is it something the defense will strike back on ? and with what data, I wonder...Migninis recording of the questioning?
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I agree. I also like what was said here earlier about how this makes zero sense in the murder argument anyway. If Amanda would kill over this, have they ever shown evidence of one cross word that Amanda said about Meredith?
As Rolfe said earlier, if every college roomate that did not agree with their roomate's cleaning habits ended up killing them, we would have a lot fewer young people around! It is bizarre reasoning, and no one has ever shown that Amanda was even a little bothered by this dynamic, much less angry.
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the false statement
The only real risk is by trying to explain it, one might overexplain it and/or call undue attention to it.
Grinder,
The only real risk is by trying to explain it, one might overexplain it and/or call undue attention to it.
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Often, when you get toward the end of a trial, and the judge has a firm idea of who should win, he starts to grant liberties to the side that is going to lose. Why? This helps to decrease the number of issues on appeal, and gives the loser a sense of fairness. Not saying it's the case here . . . but it could well be.
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Nope. I said the same thing a day or two ago. Amanda's counsel will have to go after this thing, since it's the one remaining knock against her. I would love for Hellmann to say simply that there is reasonable doubt as to whether the accusation was voluntary. That would really stick it to the Perugian authorities.
I am thinking that the defense should leave no stone unturned. It seems in the first trial, there were some things they assumed were weak, and did not spend much time refuting them. I don't think anything can be taken for granted here.
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Will the defense show Edgardo Giobbi's video, of him telling the world how he works with his mind and doesnt need other science?
That was a big paradigm shift for me too in this case.
Have the Judges even seen this video?
Are the Judges all aware this video proves the bias of guilt, before the trial was even started, before the lab work was even done?
And then this same officer, could be lying. There is proof, in their own documetation, they had been recording conversations Nov 2,3,4 and then a blackout Nov 5/6...then recording resumes. A fool wouldnt believe this.
But does the defense remain mutes, speechless, because they can't speak openly without being charged with prison by Commodi and Maresca and Mignini?
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These are strange wounds...Im certain someone has these photos but I don’t think we need to revisit them. I would describe them as puncture wounds...almost as if you were stabbed directly by the point rather than cut in a slice type movement. In fact some have speculated these wounds might have come from the piece of glass that was on the floor near Merediths body.
Professional engineer and reconstruction specialist Ron Hendry provides the most likely scene of Merediths last moments...from his study it is clear that this attack was completed by one person. I will provide a link below...
Anyone who doesn’t think a large male couldn’t easily overpower a rather smallish young girl is just wrong. It would be easy and everyone knows it. Meredith was stabbed in the neck from behind as she was most likely trying to retreat to the back corner of her bed...she was trapped and would try to even climb the wall I suppose to get away. But there was no escape...bruises show how she was held from behind and under her chin.
Then she was stabbed...the small cuts first ..but that still bled profusely...certainly she put her hands to her neck which would have been instantly blood covered. Panic now escalates the fight but Meredith is tossed on the floor ...most likely pulled backwards by her hair. All bruising fit this story. Now, in the middle of the floor Guede pulls her head back and plunges and slashes the deadly blows...from the spray pattern MK was likely on her knees facing the closet when this occurred. Very quickly MK would be chocking on her own blood and I’m certain this reality finally sunk in to Guede. Meredith lived long enough for Guede to turn her over and rip her bra from her body...and then he turned her again to her back...blood is sprayed onto her now bare upper body...I expect she died in just a very few minutes. One man ...one stabbing death...it is a horrible yet all too common a crime.
The link....
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry100.html
RWVBWL
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Amanda Knox needs to toughen up, and look the court straight in the eye, and tell them what she exactly what she wrote in her diary, per page 230 of Murder in Italy:
"I was stressed and pressured by the police. They brainwashed me."
She also needs to state, once again, that she did not stab her friend to death, she was not at the cottage when Meredith was killed, she did not stage a break-in, she did not perform a clean-up, she was at Raffaele's apartment, with him, the whole night long.
And repeat it, repeat it, repeat it...
I did nor kill Meredith Kercher.
I did not kill Meredith Kercher.
I did not kill Meredith Kercher.
"I was stressed and pressured by the police. They brainwashed me."
She also needs to state, once again, that she did not stab her friend to death, she was not at the cottage when Meredith was killed, she did not stage a break-in, she did not perform a clean-up, she was at Raffaele's apartment, with him, the whole night long.
And repeat it, repeat it, repeat it...
I did nor kill Meredith Kercher.
I did not kill Meredith Kercher.
I did not kill Meredith Kercher.
Gee, that's all it takes then? That's easy.
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codyjuneau
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Well if it was a level playing field she could call the prosecutor a vile, vindictive, lying narcissistic in-compassionate Mussolini wannabe. But apparently only the prosecution side is allowed to use character assassination.
davefoc
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Sounds like : DENY
DENY
DENY.
I wish there was something that Knox could do to make her situation better. I don't think there is and I don't think there is much her lawyer's can do.
If the jury is made up of objective, critical thinking people who are willing to rise above local politics Knox and Sollecito will be found not guilty. If they aren't RS/AK will be found guilty again. I doubt that the judge or any member of the jury can be swayed at this time. The prosecution's evidence has been shredded and for the last few days the prosecution and especially the civil lawyers have lied, and in general acted at every turn as complete scumbags but the one thing they have not done is present anything that provides substantial evidence of the guilt of RS/AK.
My guess is that the judge is such a person and that he would stop the trial at this point and just find AK/RS not guilty assuming that he could get agreement with the jurors except that a good defense will go along way to helping him find political cover for him when AK/RS are found not guilty.
Although, a verdict of guilty would be devastating for AK/RS and their families I suspect that some combination of internal and international pressure will result in the release of AK/RS before they are thirty. Too many people realize that they are completely innocent for this story to end with them spending a good part of the rest of their lives in jail.
30% of people think they are innocent. In a leap of logic you could say that people are only 70% certain of their guilt, and hence with 30% doubt you have to acquit.
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30% of people think they are innocent. In a leap of logic you could say that people are only 70% certain of their guilt, and hence with 30% doubt you have to acquit.
Kerry and Gore beat George Bush by about the same percentage in all the e-polls. The reason is that the democratic party would link to the poll and ask their people to vote.
Anyway, since this poll has been linked to on this forum, the percentage thinking Amanda is innocent has increased from 25% to 30%.
Do Italians feel that they can't oppose the courts without being sued?
Anyway, here's a poll with twice the number of voters where only 13% of the voters think Amanda is guilty.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/2011/09/11/poll-should-amanda-knox-return-to-seattle/
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