Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[Patrick1000]

I don't do pictures and rocks Michael Cook!

Hey PattyFake and your band of sim-pals; How about forgetting the anal-retentive OCD repetitive minutiae posted in your vast walls of text and get to the vast inescapable reality: The thousands of Apollo Hasselblad photographs? They can be seen in all their glory at The Apollo Project Archive amongst other sites. How about debunking each and every one of them for me, in detail, including evidence of the sooper sekrit studio where they were taken? Surely with your collective sooper vast knowledge, (hah) you and your sim-pal hoaxer buddies must have devastating and revealing whistle blower insider information / photographs / documentation about all that for us? Things like cranes, studio lights, construction receipts, records and other goodies. Forget about the old chestnuts such as shadows, wires, the "c" rock, etc. Impress me please.

I don't do pictures and rocks Michael Cook. I do trajectories, landing site issues/bird losing, phony medical evaluations, phony command module environmental assessments, ICBMs, satellites, laser concerns, LRRR issues.

The pictures and rocks are a silly diversion. Go away with RAF to your playground sand box filled with simulated lunar powder and play with your silly photos and rocks, whether they be rocks from the moon or from the earth. I care not. I examine NASA's own documents and study their phony story. AND I HOLD THEM TO THAT STORY. As the story is internally incoherent, it cannot possibly be true.

So away with you. Go and find RAF and bother those who have not a clue as to where the heart of this issue lies.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

How is it Neil that you say you didn't know 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east when the Lick Observatory guys already knew those numbers for more than a whole day prior?

You keep yanking this one out and waving it around, but you've never proven it. Your initial premise, "Lick knew the numbers before anyone else" is unproven. What time was it when they received coordinates? What were the various estimates of the lander's position at that moment? What level of error would this present to the targeting of the laser? You claim to be some kinda math guy, so yank THAT outa yer pants and prove it.

Or go back to asking why Borman didn't examine his own stool for evidence of viral infection. That was funny, boys.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

The pictures and rocks are a silly diversion.

No, they're not. They are part of a vast volume of internally and externally consistent evidence for human presence on the moon. You appear to be avoiding them because what little you know about them contradicts your precious poopy "theory."

So let us address it from this angle: If, by some bizarre stretch of the imagination your nonsensical "lost bird" theory has legs, then where did the 840 lbs of lunar rock and soil samples come from? You can't handwave them away -- they exist. Explain them.

 

[Oji]

Were the astronauts to actually try and engage me in debate on that day, 08/12/1969, over the issue of their bogus lines about their lost bird, I'd subject them to the harshest intellectual dope slapping those clowns, or anyone present in that Houston auditorium that day had ever experienced or had ever born witness to.

Apart from the fact that you certainly weren't even born then (in fact, I doubt your parents were even born then) you have demonstrated that you are not capable of asking anyone an intellectually challenging question.

Also, if your questioning style was anything like your posts here, it would presumably take 3 hours of waffle before getting to the incomprehensible and irrelevant point.

 

[Oji]

I don't do pictures and rocks Michael Cook.

Translation: "I don't do reality".

As the story is internally incoherent, it cannot possibly be true.

And why can't we say the same about your incoherent ramblings? Oh, hang on, we can.

 

[Michael Cook]

I don't do pictures and rocks Michael Cook. I do trajectories, landing site issues/bird losing, phony medical evaluations, phony command module environmental assessments, ICBMs, satellites, laser concerns, LRRR issues.

The pictures and rocks are a silly diversion. Go away with RAF to your playground sand box filled with simulated lunar powder and play with your silly photos and rocks, whether they be rocks from the moon or from the earth. I care not. I examine NASA's own documents and study their phony story. AND I HOLD THEM TO THAT STORY. As the story is internally incoherent, it cannot possibly be true.

So away with you. Go and find RAF and bother those who have not a clue as to where the heart of this issue lies.

The astronauts did 'pictures and rocks' amongst other science on all the Apollo missions. That's reality. Telling me and others to go away is like telling reality itself to go away. You are incoherent and gibbering in everything you have submitted thus far. Sorry, but to me, you are just another Moon Hoaxer, fake at that, at least some HB's have real names. You are as phony as they come. Get with this century, man.

 

[drewid]

I don't do pictures and rocks Michael Cook. I do trajectories,

But don't understand the terminology of trajectories, or celestial navigation.

landing site issues/bird losing,

But struggle with reading and correctly applying the footnotes.

phony medical evaluations, phony command module environmental assessments,

But only by calling an eminent and experienced medical team incompetent, and without offering any qualifications of my own. Also ignoring the record for this bit because it is inconvenient.

ICBMs, satellites,

Again without demonstrating understanding or expertise.

laser concerns, LRRR issues.

But think lasers are like the Death Star beam

The pictures and rocks are a silly diversion.

"The pictures and rocks are devastating to my case"

Go away with RAF to your playground sand box filled with simulated lunar powder and play with your silly photos and rocks, whether they be rocks from the moon or from the earth. I care not.

"The pictures and rocks are devastating to my case"

I examine NASA's own documents and study their phony story.

But keep on getting things wrong.

AND I HOLD THEM TO THAT STORY. As the story is internally incoherent, it cannot possibly be true.

So away with you. Go and find RAF and bother those who have not a clue as to where the heart of this issue lies.

Blah blah, nyah na ne na nyah.

 

[Patrick1000]

As I was saying......

But don't understand the terminology of trajectories, or celestial navigation.


But struggle with reading and correctly applying the footnotes.


But only by calling an eminent and experienced medical team incompetent, and without offering any qualifications of my own. Also ignoring the record for this bit because it is inconvenient.


Again without demonstrating understanding or expertise.


But think lasers are like the Death Star beam



"The pictures and rocks are devastating to my case"



"The pictures and rocks are devastating to my case"


But keep on getting things wrong.



Blah blah, nyah na ne na nyah.

As I was saying drewid. Understanding Apollo is not difficult. One need be only open minded and in possession of one's powers of critical thinking. It is simply a story, a silly story, not very credible at all as it turns out, one with with many many many inconsistencies, points of internal incoherence.

I see no one has made a SERIOUS effort to answer my question about the Boy Scout, how he would have responded to me were I at his silly Apollo 11 Post Flight Simulation Soiree. That speaks for itself.

 

[Patrick1000]

OK Big Shot, you answer my simple question then!

Translation: "I don't do reality".



And why can't we say the same about your incoherent ramblings? Oh, hang on, we can.

OK Big Shot, you answer my simple question then! How would Neil Armstrong have responded to me at the Apollo 11 Post Flight Press Conference? How would he answer the question as to why he and NASA didn't know the landing site coordinates until just the day before the conference, 08/11/1969, while the staff at Lick Observatory knew them on the very night of the landing, 07/20/1969, 11 or 12 days prior? How would Neil Armstrong have answered that very very fair question?

 

[Andy_Ross]

All the pilots I have ever met including our AS helicopter pilots on RN ships I serverd in and one of my Brothers in Law that flew Buccaneers for the RN then became a test Pilot on the Sea harrier 2 when it was in development have been very quiet laid back types, not prone to showing emotion. It comes with the job. sdame reason real Formula 1 drivers seem very slow and laid back. Pilots aren't like you see in the movies.
I don't see anything wrong with the press conference.

 

[abaddon]

OK Big Shot, you answer my simple question then! How would Neil Armstrong have responded to me at the Apollo 11 Post Flight Press Conference? How would he answer the question as to why he and NASA didn't know the landing site coordinates until just the day before the conference, 08/11/1969, while the staff at Lick Observatory knew them on the very night of the landing, 07/20/1969, 11 or 12 days prior? How would Neil Armstrong have answered that very very fair question?

You ask a hypothetical question, to which there is no real answer, and certainly none which would satisfy you. The fact of the matter is that you were not there and any speculation by you as to the response to any question is simply that. Speculation.

And that is all you have. Wild speculation.

 

[Garrison]

I see no one has made a SERIOUS effort to answer my question about the Boy Scout, how he would have responded to me were I at his silly Apollo 11 Post Flight Simulation Soiree. That speaks for itself.

Yes it speaks to sheer fatuousness of the question and your own sense of self importance, like the rest of your ramblings it has nothing to do with the reality of Apollo.

 

[SUSpilot]

Armstrong has never looked genuinely fearful or appropriately joyous to me

So? Who the [explative] are you to decide what someone's demeanor should be?

 

[R.A.F.]

I see no one has made a SERIOUS effort to answer my question about the Boy Scout, how he would have responded to me were I at his silly Apollo 11 Post Flight Simulation Soiree. That speaks for itself.

You're an idiot hoax believer...why should anyone care what questions you have??

 

[tsig]

Armstrong has never looked genuinely fearful or appropriately joyous to me

I'm sure your opinion is valuable to him.

 

[tsig]

Careful Patrick, the last couple of pages looks like you're losing it.

Yes, he seems to have given up on the even the appearance of making an argument and is now just trying to poke others with a stick.

 

[tsig]

Same question for you Twinstead, my hypothetical press conference, how would Armstrong have answered my question(s)? As you see, not a one of your colleagues has addressed this simple query of mine, for obvious reasons we can all easily see.

How would anybody here know what he would have said? Maybe you should ask him for a stool sample since reading feces seems to be a specially of yours.

 

[Oji]

OK Big Shot, you answer my simple question then!

It's an idiotic question that doesn't have, or even deserve, an answer.

But I'll give you an answer if you withdraw your ridiculous claims about the craft being full of excrement.

 

[fess]

I see no one has made a SERIOUS effort to answer my question about the Boy Scout, how he would have responded to me were I at his silly Apollo 11 Post Flight Simulation Soiree.

OK, I’ll take a stab at it.
After reading between the lines of your totally insane claptrap, he would probably gotten up and punched you in your lying mouth.

By the way, you haven’t answered as to why you think that a fart would have created a hazardous atmosphere inside the module.

 

[Southwind17]

Out of interest, what would posters here recommend as the best written accounts of the Apollo 11 mission, if not all of the Apollo missions, and possibly DVDs too? I'm thinking from a technical perspective, addressing the challenges faced/overcome, training, technology, physics, etc., but not too techy.

All recommendations and suggestions gratefully received (oh ... except from P1K, of course!).

Thanks in advance