Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Thats the sad part of the prosecutions position now, they have lost all shock value, they have only weak remnants of a badly written fiction novel for their case.

Its all too predictable what Comodi will say and do....therefore its not effective. imo
 
OK, more on the washing machine speculation. Apparently Comodi was rambling on about contamination and said RS DNA could not have been transferred from Amanda's clothes to Meredith's bra in the wash. Someone (judge???) asked her what cycle was used and she took the question seriously. LOL. Can't wait for the transcripts.

wow thats really bad. the prosecution have lost their "game".

their shock & awe has turned into thick & slow
 
andreavogt Andrea Vogt
#amandaknox prosecutor: Kercher's blood found on light switch and door. Whoever killed her had blood on their hands.

Yup. Rudy Guede hands were covered in Meredith's blood, hence there being Rudy's fingerprints in Meredith's blood in her bedroom.

and he admitted going into the bathroom.
 
BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
Comodi says sperm spot very old but why wouldn't you test it anyway in a sex crime? If blood is relevant so is this..#amandaknox

Is this true (the 'very old' part)? I thought that one of the shoe impressions on the pillowcase had imprinted into the stain (can't think of how to describe this)?

EDN: I thought that the shape of the shoe tread had been imprinted into the substance, implying that the substance was wet when the shoe impression was made?

I guess Comodi must know a lot about old semen stains and therefore can assign an age to them very accurately. Who knew.
 
andreavogt Andrea Vogt
#amandaknox prosecutor Comodi asks why Rudy Guede's DNA wasn't found in the bathroom with Meredith's blood if he was killer.

It sounds to me like the prosecution are fully backing Rudy's lies now.
I thought in their theories during the first set of trials, the prosecution were arguing that all three played a part in the stabbing? If Rudy took part in the stabbing then he would've had a fair amount of blood on him (as evidenced by his fingerprints made in Meredith's blood in the bedroom). Does Comodi want to deny that Rudy did in fact leave these prints? If she doesn't, does she think he left the house with his hands covered in blood, not washing it off?
Whatever role Rudy played, he left those prints in Meredith's blood. He had Meredith's blood all over his hands. It makes sense that he washed his hands in the cottage. If there is no evidence of this, maybe the forensics were too sloppy to find proof of it?
 
That pesky lamp again.....

BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
Comodi discusses lamp found in murder room that had been moved & which has no prints 2 illustrate cleaning up theory. #amandaknox
48 minutes ago
 
andreavogt Andrea Vogt
#amandaknox prosecutor Comodi theorizes that Amanda washed victim's blood off feet in bidet and off hands in sink, leaving mixed traces.
33 minutes ago

So is she claiming the bathmat print is now Amanda's?
 
andreavogt Andrea Vogt
#amandaknox prosecutor Comodi asks why Rudy Guede's DNA wasn't found in the bathroom with Meredith's blood if he was killer.

It sounds to me like the prosecution are fully backing Rudy's lies now.
I thought in their theories during the first set of trials, the prosecution were arguing that all three played a part in the stabbing? If Rudy took part in the stabbing then he would've had a fair amount of blood on him (as evidenced by his fingerprints made in Meredith's blood in the bedroom). Does Comodi want to deny that Rudy did in fact leave these prints? If she doesn't, does she think he left the house with his hands covered in blood, not washing it off?
Whatever role Rudy played, he left those prints in Meredith's blood. He had Meredith's blood all over his hands. It makes sense that he washed his hands in the cottage. If there is no evidence of this, maybe the forensics were too sloppy to find proof of it?

yes, and Raffaele had no DNA found...so he can go home too.

I think your comments will be in the defense closing.

The Battle of the Bathroom...this is a prosecution tactic, to remove focus from the bedroom.

they did this with Filomenas room last trial, shifting the focus and debates to the room that has no answers or science, instead of the bedroom where the crime happened.

In short the prosecution is creating doubt of innocence by throwing everything out there.

maybe?
 
rosemontaque! thanks for all the twitter posts... do you think the prosecution has avoided the knife and bra clasp, as giving up on them?

whats coming up? luminol prints, filomenas room, who staged the body? the cartwheels?

Its like Frank wrote like being in 2007 again, all the old laundry list (no pun intended)...what cycle was it on..ahah
 
andreavogt Andrea Vogt
#amandaknox prosecutor Comodi asks why Rudy Guede's DNA wasn't found in the bathroom with Meredith's blood if he was killer.

You would expect someone to have more DNA in a room if they had lived there for a month. Washing, cleaning teeth - the bathroom is going to be the one place where bodily fluids are naturally going to end up and to suggest anything else is just ridiculous. And by the same arguemt why isn't Raffaele's DNA there?

It's just beyond irrational that someone is arguing that DNA found in their own bathroom proves they are guilty.
 
Vogt update, apparently on lunch break until 3PM

andreavogt Andrea Vogt
#amandaknox prosecutor Manuela Comodi doesn't admit even one forensic flub. Needs more humility. But jury attentive. On footprints now.
30 minutes ago
 
How to test whose DNA might be in the bathroom

andreavogt Andrea Vogt
#amandaknox prosecutor Comodi asks why Rudy Guede's DNA wasn't found in the bathroom with Meredith's blood if he was killer.

I propose a test. In the bathroom of person A, let person B take a vial of person C's blood. Then person B should put the blood onto his or her hands and wash it off. Then let's sample the basin and plug. If we did this experiment many times, I would expect to see C's DNA almost all of the time and A's DNA and B's some of the time. My hypothesis is that one would see A's DNA more frequently than B's DNA. But I could be wrong, and that is why one would do the experiment.
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NancyS, good point about Raffaele's DNA.
 
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Please Give it a rest

IMHO Rudy Guede in a 'Lone wolf' scenario is considered at best to be the least probable scenario for the senseless murder Of Meredith Kercher.

This was emphasized when:

1) Cursory examination of the multitude of wounds Meredith suffered, and her past self defense training obviously suggests Rudy had help.
2) Rudy in several statements said:
2a) not only that he was not a Lone Wolf
2b) but that Knox and Sollecito were also 'involved
3) Cursory consideration of *all* the evidence makes a Lone wolf scenario not only improbable, but ludicrous.
4) The Highest Court in the land (yes authority) with access to all the evidence as well as the decisions of 32 previous judges stated that two others helped Rudy Murder Meredith.

Therefore, what is the sense in jumping on every trial event and tweet as more proof that Rudy was involved.
Goodness me, we all agree on that...don't we...after 65,000+ tries ? ?
Why, pray tell, not try and tell us all who the 'other two people' were if not Knox and Sollecito.

PS:
Please.
1) If you find a Google de Gook somewhere that says only 31 Judges were involved,
2) Or if you feel an urge to cut n paste (in color) the dictionary page defining "involved"
Please understand, IMHO, that type of nit picking fails my sniff test of any 'skepticism' that I want to expend any more argumentative effort on.
 
IMHO Rudy Guede in a 'Lone wolf' scenario is considered at best to be the least probable scenario for the senseless murder Of Meredith Kercher.

This was emphasized when:

1) Cursory examination of the multitude of wounds Meredith suffered, and her past self defense training obviously suggests Rudy had help.
2) Rudy in several statements said:
2a) not only that he was not a Lone Wolf
2b) but that Knox and Sollecito were also 'involved
3) Cursory consideration of *all* the evidence makes a Lone wolf scenario not only improbable, but ludicrous.
4) The Highest Court in the land (yes authority) with access to all the evidence as well as the decisions of 32 previous judges stated that two others helped Rudy Murder Meredith.

Therefore, what is the sense in jumping on every trial event and tweet as more proof that Rudy was involved.
Goodness me, we all agree on that...don't we...after 65,000+ tries ? ?
Why, pray tell, not try and tell us all who the 'other two people' were if not Knox and Sollecito.

PS:
Please.
1) If you find a Google de Gook somewhere that says only 31 Judges were involved,
2) Or if you feel an urge to cut n paste (in color) the dictionary page defining "involved"
Please understand, IMHO, that type of nit picking fails my sniff test of any 'skepticism' that I want to expend any more argumentative effort on.

1) I don't find the 'Rudy couldn't have overpowered Meredith on his own, because she was trained in self-defense / karate' compelling at all. He surprised her. And being involved in a real-life violent situation is very, very different from sparring situations. Also, not convinced by the 'conclusiveness' of Meredith's wounds.
2) Rudy's statements are not reliable. He has every reason to lie and try and minimise his own involvement. He has made many statements (both before he was caught and afterwards) which are inconsistent or contradictory.
3) Why?
4) Do you think that the Supreme Court was making a finding of fact? (Even if it did- which isn't my understanding- it means nothing. In many miscarriages of justice you have many judges and juries making wrong decisions. Sometimes a lot of people are just wrong. Truth is not a democracy, Pilot).
 
The Highest Court in the land (yes authority) with access to all the evidence as well as the decisions of 32 previous judges stated that two others helped Rudy Murder Meredith.

Has Wikipedia got this wrong?
"The Court of Cassation cannot overrule the trial court's interpretation of the evidence; rather, it corrects a lower court's interpretation or application of the law. Appeals to the Court of Cassation generally come from the appeals court, but litigants may also appeal directly from the trial court.

Decisions of the supreme court are binding only in the case submitted. The essential roles of the Court of Cassation are to ensure that lower courts have correctly followed legal procedure and to harmonise the interpretation of laws by lower courts through its interpretation"

In other words, the role of the Supreme Court is to rule on the interpretation of law by the lower courts. It does not rule on evidence or fact. By the time Rudy's case got to the Supreme Courts, all they can rule on are:
a) the lower courts' interpretation of the law
b) the lower courts' application of the law

Thus, their judgement amounted to: In the case of Rudy Guede, the interpretation of law and the application of law was correct (in terms of whether certain types of evidence and testimony were allowed etc).
It does not have the power to make a judgement of the actual facts and evidence presented at lower courts, or even to say that these facts / evidence presented in lower courts should (or should not) have led to a conviction.

Therefore, if AK and RS were found guilty at appeal level, and they appeal to the Supreme Court, that court can't say 'the evidence presented was / was not strong enough for a conviction to be upheld'. They can only say 'the application of law in this case was / was not done correctly' or 'the interpretation of law in that case was / was not done correctly'.
 
1) I don't find the 'Rudy couldn't have overpowered Meredith on his own, because she was trained in self-defense / karate' compelling at all. He surprised her. And being involved in a real-life violent situation is very, very different from sparring situations.

I fully agree.
A long time ago it was said that Meredith had only just started self-defence/karate lessons.
 
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