Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Report:Mignini dozes off during his own summations/Comodi unfazed/reprters ignore

How does this happen? I mean the largest case, the most critical part of the trial and they fall asleep?

Maybe free coffee is needed, maybe stretching is to be suggested.... have some respect for the victim's family
 
"Toto's buses came back"

LondonJohn said:
I agree. And I didn't want to make it seem like I was trying to contradict or gainsay you before - the point I was trying to make was that Costagliola's actions yesterday can't be taken as any sort of indication that he is four-square behind Mignini's ridiculous theories and vendettas. In an adversarial environment (and contrary to many people's misunderstanding, Italian criminal justice is now essentially adversarial rather than inquisitorial in nature) it would be totally unthinkable for anyone in the Prosecutors' Office to criticise any part of a prosecution case or to criticise the words or actions of any prosecutor. It's pretty much the same reason that Biondi laughably pretended that he was an "independent evaluator" of Stefanoni's work, when of course any criticism by him of her work would be an implied criticism of him, his laboratory and his judgement in trusting those working under his command.

I get the feeling that Costagliola is rather keen to avoid having his name too closely associated with this case when the dust settles. He seems quite content for this to be remembered as "Mignini's case", and I suspect there's a good reason why he would want this to be so.
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OK. But let's look at what Frank reported Costagliola as saying yesterday:
1. The disco buses were running on the night of the murder.
2. People dressed as witches and wearing masks were still on the street that night, despite Halloween being the previous night.
3. The 112 call was made after the postal police arrived.

There was also the emotional appeal he made to the court about the Kercher family's ordeal.

I am not so sure that the Italian criminal justice system is now essentially adversarial.
More like an unholy mixture, incorporating the worst elements of both.
See my earlier comment yesterday re a talking shop #6344.
 
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EVargasABC Elizabeth Vargas
Prosecutor Comodi tries to discredit the independent dna report 'which has nothing scientific about it' #amandaknox

No comment needed, really.
In a way, it doesn't take a scientist to understand the notion of contamination, or to read forensic collection guidelines and protocols and compare these to the crime scene videos. It just takes someone with a bit of common sense. Many non-scientists here and elsewhere were doing exactly the same thing for years.
Of course, she's defending the work of an eminent scientist, Dr Patricia Stefanoni. Who isn't a Dr, and isn't a scientist.
 
Yes, still a game of let's pretend. Starch from Steffi's gloves, knife was cleaned with bleach , collection of evidence according to standard, C&V biased idiots, Mignini sleeping, bra clasp rusting because of paint rubbed off (Raffaele's fault), rambling incoherent snarkiness and sarcasm, Mignini snoring loudly, washing machine cycles, what are they talking about, Mignini now whimpering in his sleep, somebody gave him a sharp elbow.

All just kidding, or not.
 
Nadeau more updates (doesn't sound like she is a fan of Comodi)

#amandaknox Comodi is making a lot of recipe/food comparisons to simplify dna. Is pandering to mostly female jury? #sexist
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BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
Comodi going over controversial "too low" reading on knife in #amandaknox
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BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
#amandaknox court back in session with energized comodi breaking down dna
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mchancecnn Matthew Chance
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Pope fine, btw. Apparently was airgun no where near mass
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RoseMontague said:
Nadeau more updates (doesn't sound like she is a fan of Comodi)
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Re: recipes/food & female jurors.
Is Nadeau calling herself sexist for speculating that this might be the case, or calling Comodi sexist for doing this? ;)

Would be interested to hear more about these comparisons, as I can't see how the DNA evidence can be simplified to this extent...
 
Here is one from Vogt:
Madam prosecutor, how does making spaghetti carbonara relate to forensics? Food references ubiquitous in Italy. But jury listening.
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andreavogt Andrea Vogt
#amandaknox prosector Comodi accuses defense of criticizing only certain DNA results that were convenient. Insists protocols followed.
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RoseMontague said:
Here you go, I think she was speaking to thoughtful.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/24/amanda-knox-prosecution-attack-experts?CMP=twt_fd
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Oh my Lord...

And she asked the jury of five women and one man: "Would you entrust the wedding reception of your only daughter to someone who knew all the recipes by heart but had never actually cooked?"
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Reminds me of FormerFOA's applepicker:

Isaac Newton was all very well with his fancy theory of gravity, but what did he really know about the practical reality of apples falling towards the ground? Nothing, I bet, compared to an experienced apple picker.
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RoseMontague said:
Here you go, I think she was speaking to thoughtful.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/24/amanda-knox-prosecution-attack-experts?CMP=twt_fd
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Thanks Rose. So the comparison amounted to this question:
"Would you entrust the wedding reception of your only daughter to someone who knew all the recipes by heart but had never actually cooked?"
Only C & V didn't just 'know all the recipes'. It would be more accurate to say that they understand every chemical reaction that cooking is based on, understand the principles behind those reactions perfectly, understand the larger facts which underpin those reactions, understand perfectly the consequences of each reaction, understand the reactions of those eating the food from the tastebuds to the brain, and know every piece of equipment used to cook with.
AND, C & V (in this analogy), weren't being asked to cook at the reception at all. If the forensic collection and interpretation were the catering at a reception, then that reception ended in mass food poisoning. C & V's job was akin to assessing the work of the caterers, by having degraded samples of the food years after the fact, and footage of the reception, together with guidelines about the minimum standards of food preparation.
 
This is interesting, the dna/blood comment and not just mixed blood. Hmmm.

BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
Comodi insists that mixed dna/blood is relevant to #meredithkercher murder not a coincidence. #amandaknox
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From the guardian article: But, said Comodi, the original analysis had been carried out by police forensic experts whose competence was internationally recognised. And the defence had failed totally to show how the contamination of the bra clip might have occurred.

Internationally recognised???
And 'totally failed'? Giving examples of numerous instances of possibilities for contamination is the opposite of this. The prosecution / guilters seem to have wanted C & V to point to just one of the egregious errors made by forensics at the crime scene, and say 'here is where the contamination took place'. But that's not the point. The point is that the forensics investigation was so amateurish and sloppy that contamination could have taken place at various points, and it's the prosecution / forensic team's job to prove that guidelines were followed and that reasonable steps were taken to ensure that contamination could not have taken place at ANY of those junctures.
Insisting stuff (which is all the prosecution seem to be doing) is not good enough, and indicative of the 'you can't possibly question our competence and integrity, for we are PROSECUTORS, damn it!' attitude prevalent in ILE / justice system.
 
this scenario of the bathroom, washing off blood, etc..etc..
fictional stories with holes, mixed dna/ one bled in the bathroom but not in the crime scene/bedroom?

the police took pictures and studied for injuries, non were found.

I think Curt Knox mentioned it, not word for word, but as if the police have the evidence but refuse to look at it and agree with their own data.

The prosecution is really floundering.
 
BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
#amandaknox supporters say no mixed blood but her lawyers give reason she was bleeding. #curious

What does this even mean?
Surely supporters have always said: there were no proven mixed samples of blood. (Only DNA which has a perfectly innocent and obvious explanation- Knox lived there). If there were mixed blood samples, this still wouldn't prove anything due to a) the sloppy collection techniques- scrubbing with a swab over large areas, b) again, it was Knox's bathroom, and she had an infected ear piercing, c) the traces of Knox's blood in the bathroom can't be dated- prosecutors argue that it can, because Knox described the bathroom as 'clean' when she left on 1st Nov. But it can't. Clean is a variable concept at the best of times, but it hardly ever means 'completely free of any biological trace'. It was a tiny spot of blood, and Amanda wouldn't necessarily have seen it.
 
JREF2010 said:
this scenario of the bathroom, washing off blood, etc..etc..
fictional stories with holes, mixed dna/ one bled in the bathroom but not in the crime scene/bedroom?

the police took pictures and studied for injuries, non were found.

I think Curt Knox mentioned it, not word for word, but as if the police have the evidence but refuse to look at it and agree with their own data.

The prosecution is really floundering.
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OK, more on the washing machine speculation. Apparently Comodi was rambling on about contamination and said RS DNA could not have been transferred from Amanda's clothes to Meredith's bra in the wash. Someone (judge???) asked her what cycle was used and she took the question seriously. LOL. Can't wait for the transcripts.
 
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andreavogt Andrea Vogt
#amandaknox prosecutor: Kercher's blood found on light switch and door. Whoever killed her had blood on their hands.

Yup. Rudy Guede hands were covered in Meredith's blood, hence there being Rudy's fingerprints in Meredith's blood in her bedroom.
 
BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
Comodi says sperm spot very old but why wouldn't you test it anyway in a sex crime? If blood is relevant so is this..#amandaknox

Is this true (the 'very old' part)? I thought that one of the shoe impressions on the pillowcase had imprinted into the stain (can't think of how to describe this)?

EDN: I thought that the shape of the shoe tread had been imprinted into the substance, implying that the substance was wet when the shoe impression was made?
 
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bri1 said:
BLNadeau Barbie Latza Nadeau
Comodi says sperm spot very old but why wouldn't you test it anyway in a sex crime? If blood is relevant so is this..#amandaknox

Is this true (the 'very old' part)? I thought that one of the shoe impressions on the pillowcase had imprinted into the stain (can't think of how to describe this)?
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Yes, and is she implying that Meredith would leave a "very old" semen stain on her pillow for a very long time without washing it? Just amazing.
 
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