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just to be sure you know Aldrin has a Ph.D or whatever "degree" it was he pulled out of a Corn Flakes Box that day.
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That reminds me Patrick, you never did regale us with your qualifications.
 
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Did Charles Berry ever get back to you on that poop experiment?

drewid said:
That reminds me Patrick, you never did regale us with your qualifications.
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By the way drewid, did Charles Berry ever get back to you on that poop experiment? You know the one where you suggest to him that you two guys aerosolize your infected solid waste in the midst of a viral gastroenteritis bout and stay locked in a room breathing stool contaminated air filtered by an Apollo 11 style system that hopefully makes it all safe and proves Dr. Charles Berry competent? Did Charles ever get back to you on that drewid?
 
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Patrick1000 said:
Yeah Southwind17, real cool incredible detail, like this here Aldrin quote with regard to the "landing";

"Aldrin - "Somewhere, we had a state vector (three-axis position and velocity) update because of the tracking data that Houston got once we came around.
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What is it about the words "state vector" that you don't understand that leads you to make such a ridiculous claim?
 
Patrick1000 said:
By the way drewid, did Charles Berry ever get back to you on that poop experiment? You know the one where you suggest to him that you two guys aerosolize your infected solid waste in the midst of a viral gastroenteritis bout and stay locked in a room breathing stool contaminated air filtered by an Apollo 11 style system that hopefully makes it all safe and proves Dr. Charles Berry competent? Did Charles ever get back to you on that drewid?
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So where did you get your medical doctorate again?
 
Patrick1000 said:
You know the one where you suggest to him that you two guys aerosolize your infected solid waste in the midst of a viral gastroenteritis bout and stay locked in a room breathing stool contaminated air filtered by an Apollo 11 style system that hopefully makes it all safe
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I thought your obsession that they were knee deep in poo had been thoroughly debunked back in post #2931.
the commander had ... some gastrointestinal distress which produced a soft stool...
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I'm surprised to see you bring up this lie again so soon.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Yeah Southwind17, real cool incredible detail, like this here Aldrin quote with regard to the "landing";

"Aldrin - "Somewhere, we had a state vector (three-axis position and velocity) update because of the tracking data that Houston got once we came around. But, how that happened and whether we were aware of it, I don't remember. I know that a lot of people got credit for developing the tracking filter that allowed them to do that. That neat capability contributed to the accuracy of our touchdown, even though nobody knew (exactly) where we were."

See the incredible detail there Southwind17? Aldrin says, "even though nobody knew where we were", cuz' he's kinda' lost up there on the NASA make believe moon. Then the editor makes it all the more cool and detailed by helping the dumb shmuck get oriented a bit. The editor adds "(exactly)" there, just to be sure you know Aldrin has a Ph.D or whatever "degree" it was he pulled out of a Corn Flakes Box that day.

It's not like anyone doesn't really want you to know about the Corn Flake Ph.D's lack of simulated awareness with respect to his simulated location on Mother Earth's Closest Luminary or anything like that Southwind17. It's just good solid ol' fashion 1960s style made up bogus detail, bogus detail "after the fact". An expression Neil likes to use too by the way, "after the fact". The "after the fact maneuver" is part of the astronauts' "rendezvous with a big rip off repertoire", very helpful when you'r trying to scam my mom out of $130,000,000,000. You know, bring my mom and the rest of the All American dumb suckers TOGETHER, TOGETHER SO THEY WOULD BE NO LESS THAN ONE, ONE with the experience of being fleeced, bilked, had, made, conned, lied too, fooled, embarrassed, used. It's a very spiritual experience Southwind17, being fleeced like that you know.
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So now you're ignorant of Aldrin's Doctorate from MIT....

LOL!
 
I am not confused, I am amused.

matt.tansy said:
What is it about the words "state vector" that you don't understand that leads you to make such a ridiculous claim?
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I understand what a state vector is Matt. What I am AMUSED with regard to is why the editor would inject the parenthetical "(exactly)" into Aldrin's perfectly good statement;


"nobody knew exactly where we were".

Seems like a perfectly good statement to me Matt, not in need of modification, editorialization. Why add that?

No problem with understanding state vector Matt. Just AMUSED with regard to the editor's inserting that modifier, that is all.

Still waiting for your homework by the way.
 
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What is your fascination with “poop”? Are you a proctologist?
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Patience, he has to Google up a school that would be hard to check then read up on specialties that have enough of a wiki page to pretend he knows what he's talking about.
 
Patrick1000 said:
You know the one where you suggest to him that you two guys aerosolize your infected solid waste in the midst of a viral gastroenteritis bout and stay locked in a room breathing stool contaminated air filtered by an Apollo 11 style system that hopefully makes it all safe and proves Dr. Charles Berry competent? Did Charles ever get back to you on that drewid?
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Yet despite this, humanity has survived thousands and thousands of years, with poor sanitation and in contact with not only their own poop, but animal poop of all sorts and descriptions. I wonder how they managed that.

According to your claim, humanity should be extinct.

oh and it wasn't "a viral gastroenteritis bout" and you know it.
 
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Patrick1000 said:
I understand what a state vector is Matt. What I am AMUSED with regard to is why the editor would inject the parenthetical "(exactly)" into Aldrin's perfectly good statement;


"nobody knew exactly where we were".

Seems like a perfectly good statement to me Matt, not in need of modification, editorialization. Why add that?
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The two statements are not equivalent:

"nobody knew exactly where we were"

and

"nobody knew where we were"

Have very different connotations. The astronauts may know they are in a certain map grid but not their precise co-ordinates in that grid. Saying they are lost in such a situation is as ludicrous as if you were to insist I was lost in London because although I can tell you I'm on Oxford Street I can't give you the precise distance I am from the HMV store.
 
Garrison said:
The two statements are not equivalent:

"nobody knew exactly where we were"

and

"nobody knew where we were"

Have very different connotations. The astronauts may know they are in a certain map grid but not their precise co-ordinates in that grid. Saying they are lost in such a situation is as ludicrous as if you were to insist I was lost in London because although I can tell you I'm on Oxford Street I can't give you the precise distance I am from the HMV store.
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Ah, but you see in P1K's odd universe, you must know (to an undefined level of precision) where you precisely are in order to effect any orbital maneuver.

Relative position just doesn't count.

ETA: And "Juliet" really means "Julian" for undefined reasons.
 
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Patrick1000 said:
I understand what a state vector is Matt. What I am AMUSED with regard to is why the editor would inject the parenthetical "(exactly)" into Aldrin's perfectly good statement;


"nobody knew exactly where we were".

Seems like a perfectly good statement to me Matt, not in need of modification, editorialization. Why add that?

No problem with understanding state vector Matt. Just AMUSED with regard to the editor's inserting that modifier, that is all.

Still waiting for your homework by the way.
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Nice try. But now you're going to Google it, scratch your head in befuddlement as you struggle to understand the written words and graphics, re-read the NASA document on coordinate systems, and come back saying something completely wrong and make a fool of yourself again like you did with the "Julian system".
 
Patrick1000 said:
Doesn't look like the FIDO here agrees with you Matt. Here's David Reed again;

"I remember taking my headset off and walking up to the Flight Director, Milt Windler to explain the situation. We only used that kind of face to face communication when we had a serious problem such as this. I detailed the problem as best we knew it and the process that we’d have to follow to get the data we needed, and why we had to start a rev early to finish the calculations and then find the critical lift-off time for lunar launch."

Maurice Kennedy; Charles Deiterich III; William Stoval; William Boone III; Glynn S. Lunney; H. David Reed; Jerry C. Bostick (2011-05-13). From The Trench of Mission Control to the Craters of The Moon (ebook Locations 5657-5662).

Sounds like a big deal to me Matt. David Reed is telling ya' he doesn't take his headset off except for big deals. Do you know more about orbital Zombie rendezvous maneuvers than the Apollo Program's lead FIDO?

I don't think so Matt.


This is enough of a big deal that H. David Reed "does't want to go through that again", doesn't want to go through the "no big deal". Here is H. David Reed yet again;

"We were actually over 25,000 feet from the nearest of the other five choices we had! At 5,000-fps orbital velocity of the CSM that could have been up to a ten second error in liftoff. That would have meant we’d need a LOT of RCS (reaction control system fuel) to play catch up or slow down in a rather abnormal (I don’t recall training for this one) rendezvous situation. I was assigned the descent phase for Apollo XII and I wasn’t about to go through that again."

Maurice Kennedy; Charles Deiterich III; William Stoval; William Boone III; Glynn S. Lunney; H. David Reed; Jerry C. Bostick (2011-05-13). From The Trench of Mission Control to the Craters of The Moon (ebook Locations 5670-5675).

25,000 feet from the nearest of the other five choices, sounds from reading the above that David Reed thought this more than a "little deal". Guess it would be more likely than not a big deal actually Matt, since ol' David "wasn't about to go through that again".

And finally, and most importantly, NASA, the Shyster, and the trajectory tricksters, thought it a big deal enough to change the landing site coordinate numbers that they showed H. David Reed that morning, 07/21/1969, and list entirely different numbers in the Apollo 11 Simulated Mission Report. According to that report, the primary onboard guidance vector solution after correcting for the trajectory to map consideration, is 0.689 N and 23.39 E, 0.75 miles from Tranquility Base. The AGS solution is 0.679 N and 23.37 E, 1.13 miles from Tranquility Base. The powered flight processor solution listed in the Apollo 11 Simulated Mission Report was 0.671 N and 23.40 E, 0.64 miles from "Tranquility Base". Looks like a lot closer than 25,000 feet to me Matt, closer than 25,000 feet to Reed's excellent solution. Matter of fact, Reed's rendezvous radar solution and the powered flight processor solution listed in the Mission Simulation Report are only 0.575 miles away from one another, or 3036 feet.

Everyone can check in with SUSpilot on how to do these simple calculations. It would seem that he has finally got the hang of it.

So according to NASA's own Shyster doctored records, Reed's solution and the powered flight processor solution are not 25,000 or more feet/4.73 or more miles, but rather, 3036 feet give or take/0.575 miles from the launch FIDO's rendezvous radar solution. And additionally, the real-time solutions for the PNGS, AGS and powered flight processor given in the Apollo 11 Mission Simulation Report ARE very close together, and so unlike the numbers that David Reed saw on the morning of 07/21/1969, these Mission Simulation Report numbers DO AGREE with one another.

So Matt here is wrong. 25,000 feet is a BIG DEAL, big enough for NASA to doctor their records.

Were it not a big deal as Matt contends, then the numbers, the various landing site coordinate solutions available to David Reed on the morning of 07/21/1969, would have appeared in the Mission Simulation Report as they were given to David Reed that morning, all at least 25,000 feet distant from his rendezvous radar solution. As mentioned numerous times previously, we may confidently conclude from this simple little exercise that the trajectory data, LM landing site coordinates, as presented in the Apollo 11 Mission Simulation Report table 5-IV are fraudulent. Now that SUSpilot is capable of calculating the distance differences between the various landing site coordinate solutions for your own "official story side", I am sure your colleague there Matt, will be more than happy to verify all of this for you.

Diagnosis; Contrary to Matt's claim, 25,000 feet from Reed's rendezvous radar solution IS A BIG DEAL, OTHERWISE THE APOLLO 11 MISSION SIMULATION REPORT WOULD HAVE LISTED UNDOCTORED REAL TIME COORDINATE SOLUTIONS FOR THE SIMULATED LM LANDING SITE.

FAKE TELEMETRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FAKE MISSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Punishment; Matt has to be tutored by SUSpilot in using a simple pythagorean solution in determining the difference in distance between the various landing site coordinate solutions presented in the Apollo 11 Mission Simulation Report. In this way, Matt too will learn that these Mission Simulation Report LM landing site coordinate numbers are other than those presented to FIDO H. David Reed on the morning of 07/21/1969, and Matt will come to know the Mission Simulation Report as the fraudulent document that it is, fraudulent in that it contains "fabricated" LM landing site coordinate figures. Matt will go on to conclude with metaphysical certainty that the entirety of the Apollo 11 Mission is fraudulent as well. By "fraudulent", Matt will mean the Apollo 11 Mission Simulation did not include a manned landing.

This report from Matt, clearly showing all of his calculations, is due by Saturday noon. Please turn this assignment in Matt to Patrick1000's Punishment Monitor, Sister Mary Super Nova. Failure to comply with this punishment aspect of your Apollo 11 Mission Simulation education will result Matt in your receiving 8 score cracks across the fanny from the Big Headed Sweaty Glassy Eyed Ph.D Zombie with a metal slide rule. The Zombie breathing quite heavily the whole time.
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So, to sum it up, your contention is that NASA, in faking the moon landing, introduced a fake error in landing position that was so far off as to render the fact that the landing was faked obvious. Tell me, why would they do that?
 
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So, to sum it up, your contention is that NASA, in faking the moon landing, introduced a fake error in landing position that was so far off as to render the fact that the landing was faked obvious. Tell me, why would they do that?
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Oooohhhh, nooooo! You just rebooted him!!! :)
 
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