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UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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Unfortunately you choose to deny the overwhelming dicumented evidence in support of what the word UFO means to convey.

How can anybody ignore the overwhelming evidence you haven't supplied? We can ignore the scant and silly stuff you have supplied because it is not overwhelming and little of it is actual evidence.

UFO means Unidentified Flying Object. If you want to say spacecraft or alien use the words spacecraft or alien.
 
The next question I have to ask is why are all most all encounters horrific to the people involved?

Ya know. The question I'm more interested in is if you have any evidence from your multiple encounters or even a detailed description written immeditely after the event?
 
This is as close as I can take you to privileged information.
You will have the proof later from somewhere.
Because sooner or later the UFO phenomena will be reveled, by who I don't know…and mysteries are meant to be solved.
There is nothing we can’t do or find out.

Oh "priviliged" riiiiiiiight. So that means "no, you have to take my word for it."
The UFO phenomena is being revealed, and the evidence is pointing away from blabber about aliens.


Seriously, why SHOULD we take your word of "priviliged" explantion over any other?
 
The next question I have to ask is why are all most all encounters horrific to the people involved?
No one on this planet has the capability to hoax what I have seen just to reiterate my stance.

Two points: 1) There are a lot of people who claim to have encountered UFO in a manner that is neither horrifying or unpleasant.
2) Why should we assume nobody has the capability to hoax what you CLAIM to have seen?
 
Again you claim you KNOW some are conveyences, but have no PROOF. Ergo, you either assume, believe or claim they are conveyences, but you can not KNOW with out PROOF. Otherwise, despite your claims, yes, you are a fanatic.

And why are those six the last choices? That coincide with everything you KNOW?

Nope, sorry, that is all still prized twaddle.


All right I'll bite, if you have another explanation for choices of that last ten percent that fits, lets hear it?
I'm not talking balloons, Bigfoot, fairies, or Santa.
 
Oh "priviliged" riiiiiiiight. So that means "no, you have to take my word for it."
The UFO phenomena is being revealed, and the evidence is pointing away from blabber about aliens.


Seriously, why SHOULD we take your word of "priviliged" explantion over any other?

Because in your whole life you haven't seen anything.
I have no reason to lie what so ever, up until I turned twenty one or two I thought just like most of you.
 
All right I'll bite, if you have another explanation for choices of that last ten percent that fits, lets hear it?
I'm not talking balloons, Bigfoot, fairies, or Santa.

Hoaxes, hallucinations, mirages, and simple misperception, or of course simply insufficient information to class that 10% as anything other than unknown.
 
GeeMack:

Unfortunately you choose to deny the overwhelming dicumented evidence in support of what the word UFO means to convey, and choose self-servingly to portray it using not the actual definition(s) or even the common understanding, but the mere word origin in the form of the individual words that makeup the acronym. So long as you continue misrepresenting the meaning of the word in this way, we have nothing further to discuss on the word origin, meaning or usage.
If you mean that everyone else chooses to use the common and actual definition of UFO to mean Unidentified Flying Object, then you are correct. You are, therefore, attempting to use an outdated, cherry picked and superseded definition which nobody but you wants to use. Even the other pseudoscientists disagree with you. You're all alone on this one and you aren't going to get anyone else to agree. Here, the term UFO will mean Unidentified Flying Objects, as it is meant to be defined. What you do in your club is your business. It is simply dishonest of you to pretend otherwise.

As for you saying that UFOs ( alien craft )
No, nobody but you is saying that UFO means alien craft. If you mean Alien Space Ship, just say Alien Space Ship.

have never been demonstrated to exist. all you can say with any certainty is that they have never been demonstrated to you.
We can definitely say that the null hypothesis which is:

"All UFOs are of mundane orgin"​
has never been falsified.

They have however been demonstrated to me and many other people.
Unfalsifiable anecdotes are useless for validating extraordinary claims. Even yours.

I freely admit that I cannot replicate my observation and therefore cannot provide scientific proof.
Your continued belief in OMG PseudoAliens is a pseudoscientific one.

Therefore you may reasonably choose to dismiss that evidence and/or reserve judgement, ( reject the null hypothesis ),
I think you meant, agree that the null hypothesis has never been falsified.

but going beyond that by claiming that because alien craft have never been proven to exist, it therefore proves they don't exist, is an argument from ignorance. Therefore you cannot make your claim with any certainty without revealing your bias.
No, it is the only sane thing to think. Your misuse of terms that you don't understand is quite charming, though.

Lastly, your analogy between UFOs and gods is false, and comparing the phenomena to fairy tales is equally false logic.
No, it is a valid analogy. Did you just not understand it any more than you don't understand a null hypothesis?

Simply because unicorns or Santa Clause are fairy tales is not proof that UFOs are also fairy tales, and to make that assertion with such certainty once again only reveals your prejudice and bias.
No, you are incorrect. That you don't comprehend the analogy is merely due to your credulous bias so you see everything through your alien filters.
Consequently, it seems we have nothing further to discuss. Perhaps I'll run across some video or case study that you can help debunk and I'll look forward to your responses at that time.
Or perhaps you'll run across some evidence that would falsify the null hypothesis so that you aren't playing pseudoscientist.
 
All right I'll bite, if you have another explanation for choices of that last ten percent that fits, lets hear it?
I'm not talking balloons, Bigfoot, fairies, or Santa.

Bite but miss the point it seems. The point is their cause is unknown. All of those explanations, and any other are as useless as declaring them to be vessels of any kind, for any kind of being because, by definition they are UNIDENTIFIED flying objects.

But atmospheric lensing, misidentification of mundane objects, metreological artifacts, and other effects KNOWN BY SCIENCE are all more likely on the sliding scale of probability than your suggestions. Why? Because they are at least known to have been the cause of some of the other 90%.

Fundamentally you have mistaken the 10% that have not been able to be identified based on the evidence available for having to be some phenomona not yet known. This is twaddle. Not having the evidence to hand does not remove the possibility or probability they are of mundane origin. It does not, by any means, suggest they have to be caused by any phenomona not yet known to man.

That you completely fail to make that distinction, and accept they are vessels of any kind because that is what you think they look like (and prey tell, what does an electromagnetic vehicle look like?) based on experiences we simply have no reason to even believe you have had.

The burden of evidence is not on me to supply an alternative explanation, it is for you to prove that any UFO at all was in fact an unknown vessel. It is your job to validate your claims into something at least remotely resembling a reasonable possibility.
 
Because in your whole life you haven't seen anything.
I have no reason to lie what so ever, up until I turned twenty one or two I thought just like most of you.

You mean that UFO's were totally alien spacecraft, planes disappeared through a timewarp in the Bermuda triangle and the Nazca Lines were alien landing strips? Hey that's what I believed when I was that age. Luckily I developed an appreciation for evidence and logic and grew out of it.
 
Ya know. The question I'm more interested in is if you have any evidence from your multiple encounters or even a detailed description written immeditely after the event?

I don't know about most people but for my self I was never ready for the encounter and it and that subject seemed to be the furthest thing from my mind.
When you see something like these sightings, it's burned into your memory but I did start to write them down about ten years ago.
I re-interviewed my mother when I was 17 the first time and three years ago the last time and it all was as I remembered and the story and the same when she told me approximately 40 years ago, there now you know how old I am.
 
You mean that UFO's were totally alien spacecraft, planes disappeared through a timewarp in the Bermuda triangle and the Nazca Lines were alien landing strips? Hey that's what I believed when I was that age. Luckily I developed an appreciation for evidence and logic and grew out of it.

Your wrong, so wrong, I thought it was bunk.
 
The last choices that coincide with all that we know… it is what we are left with in this world at this moment.

1. Aliens from another planet within our universe.
2. Aliens from another dimension or universe.
3. Time travelers, possibly from our future.
4. Angelic beings either fallen or not.
5. Our government’s secret new conveyances.
6. All of the above.
7. None of the above

... Anybody that posses this knowledge of their systems particularly their propulsion systems will basically rule the world. No one on this planet has the capability to hoax what I have seen ...


I agree that when we speak of UFOs themselves we are making reference to alien craft, or as you say to a conveyances. Other designations such as UAP ( Unidentified Aerial Phenomena ) deal with more ambiguous phenomena. During the modern era in ufology scientists and investigators have been trying to figure out exactly how UFOs work and where they come from. Any real progress in those areas we are not privy to. Such evidence may or may not exist, and that leaves us only to speculate. Speculation is acceptable as a part of research in general, but it shouldn't be confused with proof or science, or the skeptics here will eat you for dinner. All we can reasonably say is that these are our opinions based on speculation. An exception for you would be whatever you directly observed based on your firsthand experience.

ASIDE: May I ask you specifically to list what points in your observation make you believe that what you saw was not a manmade or natural object or phenomenon?

Lastly, We can use logic to distill out alternate dimensions, time travel and deities. However we can't say with any certainty which of the remaining is accurate. Therefore I simply use the term alien, as in alien to human civilization. This may include terrestrial technology of undisclosed origin, possibly made by humans who are not part of or connected with any aspect of human civilization as we know it.
 
Because in your whole life you haven't seen anything.
I have no reason to lie what so ever, up until I turned twenty one or two I thought just like most of you.

Ah and now you know about my life! Wow! How bloody amazingly clever you are.

Funnily enough, yes I have seen a UFO. No, I don't believe it was an alien vessel any more or less than any other possible explination. Why? Because I have no idea what an alien vessel would like. It was a light, in the sky, I couldn't identify.

Oh, and I have experienced a "ghost" too. But amazingly I don't presume to know it was the soul of a dead person based on information I don't have.


You know what, you not having a reason to lie does not remove the possibilty. You are claiming "privileged information". Not good enough. Either you have evidence they are vehicles, or you are working on a flawed, subjective assumption that what you saw appeared to be a vessel in your own opinion. As you have no evidence, why do we have a reason to believe you? Your own statement cuts both way: We have no reason to assume you are telling the truth.

What ever can be claimed with out evidence can be dismissed likewise.
 
I agree that when we speak of UFOs themselves we are making reference to alien craft, or as you say to a conveyances. Other designations such as UAP ( Unidentified Aerial Phenomena ) deal with more ambiguous phenomena. .

You mean ambiguous like objects, flying, that are not yet identified? Yeah, there is a term for that...UFO.
 
If you mean that everyone else chooses to use the common and actual definition of UFO to mean Unidentified Flying Object, then you are correct. You are, therefore, attempting to use an outdated, cherry picked and superseded definition which nobody but you wants to use.


Robo:

Again you have it backwards. The skeptics constantly misrepresent the word UFO as has been amply evidenced with independent references and logic that are far from cherry picking. And it is the skeptics here who do the cherry picking, name calling, misrepresentation and denial.
 
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Robo:

Again you have it backwards. The skeptics constantly misrepresent the word UFO as has been amply evidenced with independent references and logic that are far from "cherry picking". And it is the skeptics here who do the cherry picking, name calling, misrepresentation and denial.

Again you could silence all your critics with one well evidenced case, your failure to offer such evidence says more than all your dancing around semantics.
 
Robo:

Again you have it backwards. The skeptics constantly misrepresent the word UFO as has been amply evidenced with independent references and logic that are far from cherry picking. And it is the skeptics here who do the cherry picking, name calling, misrepresentation and denial.

Yes, misrepresnting the dictionary definitions, the current functional definition, and all the sources except your own claim and a document fifty years out of date. So why not just call them "Spaceships", or are you worried that sounds silly? You will notice your definition is secondary in these dictionaries:


Unidentified flying object:
http://www.answers.com/topic/unidentified-flying-object
http://www.yourdictionary.com/ufo
http://www.elook.org/dictionary/ufo.html
 
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