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Why does richard gage place the newest dvd on youtube so soon?

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1% of the population would be impressive.

Perhaps your math is different from mine, but in the real world, 1% basically nonexistent. Or maybe you don't understand the definition of "impressive"?

In fact the numbers are much higher of people who question the official account (see 9-11 related polls)

9/11 polls are most often trolled by truthers...so it's rather disingenuous to use those as an accurate gauge of what the public really believes...

Next.
 
I dont know about 'nothing,' they have you here you here reaffirming the case for demolition again and again and again. Fact is that over 80,000 signatures were gathered in NYC in a grassroots effort to get a local investigation on the ballet. Real 9-11 Truth is supported by millions of people across the globe; people whose political opinions and affiliations cover nearly every aspect of the political spectrum.

Source for this statement, please.
 
He is a chemist. And I wouldnt care if he was a garbage man or a homeless crackhead for that matter..so long as what he said was correct

So then the fact that he was FIRED for LYING and MISREPRESENTING the company he was a WATER TESTER for doesn't give you an inkling into his credibility? He has not spoken ONE word of truth. Not one. Tell me what he said that ever that you think was correct...
 
I have no idea what the actual percentage is. It's irrelevant. Most people used to believe the world was flat; that did not make it so. But the fact that over 1500 building professionals have signed their name to a petition saying the official accounts of these events could not possibly be correct and that we need "a truly independent investigation," should have been front page news.. It wasn't. And the cover-up continues.

1% of the population would be impressive. In fact the numbers are much higher of people who question the official account (see 9-11 related polls) and this despite that we are living in a country (and world) where the media is owned by a handful of corporations. Where the majority of people have never even heard of WTC7 and 9-11 truth is caricatured in the media as loony conspiracy theories. -something you have obviously swallowed hook, line & sinker, as they say.

I think at the very least, anyone who looks seriously at the facts of 9-11 can concede that these were highly anomalous events. Anomalies far surpassing the almost unprecedented aspect of airplanes smashing into office towers.. There is nothing unprecedented about fires in highrise buildings and yet NONE has ever, in the history of building such structures, behaved the way wtc7 did. According to NIST it was fires that brought down wtc 1 2 & 7
This is worth a read: http://www.projectcensored.org/top-...ames-atta-and-the-100000-911-terrorists-stil/

Do landscape architects equate to building professionals now? The kid that mows my lawn has the credentials and expertise to determine the mathematics and physics behind 110 story tower collapses? Seriously dude, 1500...wow that sounds like a big number, till you understand how many of architects and engineers there are worldwide. I mean 1559 from around the globe, yet, 1.5 MILLION engineers are EMPLOYED AND LICENSED in the United States alone. Over 140,000 architects are EMPLOYED AND LICENSED in the United States alone. Can you do the math? That's not including the rest of the global workforce, and they have 1/10th of 1%.

Get it yet? Argument from authority from a fringe group of whack jobs who happened to, at one point, earn a degree in either architecture or engineering in one field or another. How many of those Engineers tricky DICK has are Licensed and Employed Structural or Civil Engineers? Do you know? Go figure it out. Hint: I can count them on my fingers.
 
Go right ahead. Try to find one supporter of the JREF who will do any dodging and weaving in an effort to deny that Randi earns money from the donations given to JREF.

Meanwhile, you still haven't acknowledged that Dick Gage makes money off 9/11 truth.

Go on, just admit that simple fact. Can you do even that much?

Do you think james randi, is faking everybody about his opinion about skepticism, and that in reality his only goal is to earn money with this website?
 
"9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!".


Thank you Atavism for yet another example of the quote mining practiced by the truth movement, and why any "evidence" you present is quickly dissipated with only a minimum of effort:

Does Ativism think truthing is a quantitative exercise as opposed to a qualitative one? That was about a 1000 word essay that had as much worth, (and proof), as "9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!".

Perhaps you should have read the rest of my quote and realized that, despite the quantity of your post, the quality was non-existent.
 
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Do you think james randi, is faking everybody about his opinion about skepticism, and that in reality his only goal is to earn money with this website?

Interesting question.

Exactly how many times has James Randi been proven wrong?

Compared to Richard Gage?
 
Do you think james randi, is faking everybody about his opinion about skepticism, and that in reality his only goal is to earn money with this website?


No, I don't, I think he's making a decent living off doing good work to promote skepticism. He brings a lifetime of experience to his job, which when coupled to the efforts of other members of the JREF, promotes the cause of skepticism and critical thinking in the world.

His ongoing influence in the skeptical community can be seen in things like the continuing growth of The Amazing Meeting, which has become the largest annual meeting of critical thinkers in the world, bringing together like-minded people from all over the world to both attend, and present talks of their own. Through TAM, and the entry it gives people into the skeptical community, Randi has directly contributed to the creation of websites like stopsylvia.com, which was started by a man who got his first "big break" at a TAM. I could present other examples, if you'd like.

So, yes, Randi makes money off his role at the JREF - and I believe that he deserves to make that money.

Now, I'll just point out that, once again, your response has failed the most essential test that I laid out for you:


Meanwhile, you still haven't acknowledged that Dick Gage makes money off 9/11 truth.

Go on, just admit that simple fact. Can you do even that much?


You still haven't admitted that Dick Gage makes money off 9/11 truth. Rather than just man up and admit it, you tried (rather pathetically, I might add) to put me on the defensive.

But I don't have to defend my position. I'm not some head-in-the-sand loser who's afraid to admit facts.

Can you do the same? So far, the evidence suggests "No" as the answer.


WTF kind of question is that? It has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.


Au contraire, as seen above, it pretty much has everything to do with the discussion at hand. If truthers and their gurus really were honest seekers of truth, they'd have no difficulty standing up and admitting that yes, people make money off 9/11 truth. With that admission out there, we could then have a serious discussion as to whether or not their work actually contributes enough* to justify that money, but until they can just admit this simple fact, we're stuck.



*And by "contributes enough", I'm not even going to try to ask for real, useful work they've done. We could just start out with, "What has Dick Gage done, as a professional, to prove 9/11 truth, even if we think that's nonsense?" I suspect anyone looking at his record, even if they believe 9/11 was an inside job, would have to conclude that he hasn't even done much on that front. All he does is quote other people's "proof". But until we get truthers to man up and admit that yes, he makes money, we can't have that discussion.
 
Interesting question.

Exactly how many times has James Randi been proven wrong?

Compared to Richard Gage?

What does making faults have to do with it Lol....

We can have a debate about who made the most faults, but it has totally nothing to do with this debate point.
 
No, I don't, I think he's making a decent living off doing good work to promote skepticism. He brings a lifetime of experience to his job, which when coupled to the efforts of other members of the JREF, promotes the cause of skepticism and critical thinking in the world.

His ongoing influence in the skeptical community can be seen in things like the continuing growth of The Amazing Meeting, which has become the largest annual meeting of critical thinkers in the world, bringing together like-minded people from all over the world to both attend, and present talks of their own. Through TAM, and the entry it gives people into the skeptical community, Randi has directly contributed to the creation of websites like stopsylvia.com, which was started by a man who got his first "big break" at a TAM. I could present other examples, if you'd like.

So, yes, Randi makes money off his role at the JREF - and I believe that he deserves to make that money.

Now, I'll just point out that, once again, your response has failed the most essential test that I laid out for you:

But its a non profit organization why is the man earning about 190 k?

If we use ur logic, its to much, and the guy only wants to earn money.

What is the difference between james randi and richard gage, they both want the truth, they both are skeptic. But both they have different thoughts.

So its hypocrite to call richard gage fake and only wants to earn money, and james randi not.




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I]You still haven't admitted that Dick Gage makes money off 9/11 truth[/I]. Rather than just man up and admit it, you tried (rather pathetically, I might add) to put me on the defensive.

But I don't have to defend my position. I'm not some head-in-the-sand loser who's afraid to admit facts.

Can you do the same? So far, the evidence suggests "No" as the answer.

Of course richard gage makes money its normal, james randi is making almost 200k with it. So wahts your point?

Au contraire, as seen above, it pretty much has everything to do with the discussion at hand. If truthers and their gurus really were honest seekers of truth, they'd have no difficulty standing up and admitting that yes, people make money off 9/11 truth. With that admission out there, we could then have a serious discussion as to whether or not their work actually contributes enough* to justify that money, but until they can just admit this simple fact, we're stuck.

Just like james randi?

*And by "contributes enough", I'm not even going to try to ask for real, useful work they've done. We could just start out with, "What has Dick Gage done, as a professional, to prove 9/11 truth, even if we think that's nonsense?" I suspect anyone looking at his record, even if they believe 9/11 was an inside job, would have to conclude that he hasn't even done much on that front. All he does is quote other people's "proof". But until we get truthers to man up and admit that yes, he makes money, we can't have that discussion.[

Bringing attention, to the world of experts and the world of laymen.

Thanks to him we now have almost 1600 architects and engineers who dont believe in the official conspiracy theory. Thanks to him the 911truthmovement growed a lot with experts and laymen. Thanks to him,(and ofcourse a lot of others) we now know NIST and FEMA totally failed in explaining the collapse of the towers.

Etc etc.

Thats why skepticism always have to stay. We must be criticial for everything, and we must not think wishful about being critical.

Thats skepticism!!!!


Skepticism (or scepticism) has many definitions, but generally refers to any questioning attitude of knowledge, facts, or opinions/beliefs stated as facts, or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere.
 
Thats why skepticism always have to stay. We must be criticial for everything, and we must not think wishful about being critical.

Thats skepticism!!!!


Skepticism (or scepticism) has many definitions, but generally refers to any questioning attitude of knowledge, facts, or opinions/beliefs stated as facts, or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere.

You have no idea what "real skepticism" is. It's not about being critical of "everything". It means going with the thing that has the most evidence to support it, and being willing to change ones position when new evidence is presented.

You're just confused as to why so many people, when presented with your "evidence", don't think it is compelling enough to change their opinions. So you just tell them they're not skeptics. Nice try.

You keep on forgetting that this isn't you against the JREF. This is you against the entire world. You are WAY to arrogant for somebody in such a minority opinion, IMO.
 
You have no idea what "real skepticism" is. It's not about being critical of "everything". It means going with the thing that has the most evidence to support it, and being willing to change ones position when new evidence is presented.

You're just confused as to why so many people, when presented with your "evidence", don't think it is compelling enough to change their opinions. So you just tell them they're not skeptics. Nice try.

You keep on forgetting that this isn't you against the JREF. This is you against the entire world. You are WAY to arrogant for somebody in such a minority opinion, IMO.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjv7hEAytU
 
Of course richard gage makes money its normal,



And yet, it took over 170 posts for you to simply admit that. You really should be asking yourself why that is.


Now, would you like to start another thread, where we can determine what Dick Gage has actually done, to determine if he's worth it?
 
And yet, it took over 170 posts for you to simply admit that. You really should be asking yourself why that is.


Now, would you like to start another thread, where we can determine what Dick Gage has actually done, to determine if he's worth it?

So you dont even understand the message of the thread?

lol
 
What is the difference between james randi and richard gage, they both want the truth, they both are skeptic. But both they have different thoughts.
No, the difference is that Gage is a con man, Randi is not.

So its hypocrite to call richard gage fake and only wants to earn money, and james randi not.
See above.
 
So you dont even understand the message of the thread?

lol


You mean this message?


Debunkers always say Richard gage wants to earn money.

Well then this is a very bad way of merchandise...

Couldnt they wait for a time, first to let people buy the dvd, before they place it for free on youtube?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ

Debunkers and logic......

So we can conclude, we can debunk the argument, richard gage is doing it for the money



The "message" that, as explained before, you don't understand even the most basic elements of marketing? That message?


Because that OP doesn't even bring up the issue I mentioned, which is, "Is Dick Gage worth the money he makes off 9/11 truth"?
 
You mean this message?






The "message" that, as explained before, you don't understand even the most basic elements of marketing? That message?


Because that OP doesn't even bring up the issue I mentioned, which is, "Is Dick Gage worth the money he makes off 9/11 truth"?

:doublefacepalm:
 
So you dont even understand the message of the thread?

lol

The "message" you think are trying to convey is just your flawed perspective...you think that Gage is some hero because he let people see his video for free on teh utoobz instead of selling the DVD's outright.

However, your knowledge of marketing is lacking. The DVD's are not a money-maker for him. He told the government that he gives them away in years past.

The video is nothing but a 2 hour infomercial to attract donations. If someone wants to buy a DVD, great, but he's not expecting them to sell.

Now, if he releases the video to youtube (for no cost) and some truther idiot shows or links it to a dozen of his fellow idiots...and that in turn generates 1 or 2 DVD sales and a small donation...well then, Hot Damn!, he just collected dollars and didn't even have to spend a dime.

So I ask you then, why did you watch the free video? Why didn't you just buy it from Gage for your personal collection? However, I bet you sent that youtube link to everyone you thought would bother looking at it. Hell, you spammed it to all of us here at JREF.

Attention, attention, attention. That's all Gage wants, because it might generate a few donation dollars to fund his trips around the world...all on your dime...and without providing even a lick of a viable service to the people giving him money...and all in the name of 9/11.

I wonder, how much money has been donated by AE911T to help the families of the victims? How many scholarships does Gage give out? Before you ask, yes, Randi gives several scholarships.

Gage is a fraud and a con. The quicker you realize this, the better off you'll be...
 

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