Why does richard gage place the newest dvd on youtube so soon?

[Horatius]

But ehhh, can we talk about james randi?

Go right ahead. Try to find one supporter of the JREF who will do any dodging and weaving in an effort to deny that Randi earns money from the donations given to JREF.

Meanwhile, you still haven't acknowledged that Dick Gage makes money off 9/11 truth.

Go on, just admit that simple fact. Can you do even that much?

 

[newton3376]

My comments in red....

They're not debunkers but deniers. The 'Truthers' are the real skeptics and debunkers in this case.

Compassion is not experienced equally by all. So the ability to even care, much less respond in a proactive way with outrage and selflessness, will strike many as incredulous. And they will explain it the only way that makes any sense to them: 'He must be in it for the money.' I'm not even sure what this meaningless babble means....


despite the publication of books and sales of dvd's 9-11 is nothing like the cottage industry in UFO conspiracies and conspiracies in general. BECAUSE THERE IS A MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE POSITIVELY REFUTING THE NOTION THAT THESE WERE NATURAL EVENTS, subsequent to the plane impacts.Nope....it's pretty much the same as the UFO conspiracies....except there are A LOT more people who believe in UFOs than in 9/11 "truth"....


Real 9-11 Truth is a massive global grassroots effort with representation from nearly every state in the US and every country in the world."Massive"? ROFL who are you kidding?
It is made up of people from across the political spectrum and nearly every related profession (not to mention family members and many unrelated professions, students, artists etc): Firefighters, first responders, architects and building professionals, healthcare professionals, ex-military and academia. And yet you don't even have 1% of any of those professions......
Backed by millions of lay people the world over who know the truth because they have looked closely at the evidence. The facts alone are more than enough; that's how compelling and well documented a case this is.LOL yeah...it's so "compelling" that it exists pretty much on forums and youtube....are you reading what you are writing?


Personally, I have studied every debunking I could find..including the ones on the JREF 'debunking resources' and they are ALL weak and easily debunked themselves. That is likely untrue. You have not even read the NIST reports....you have not read or gone through the oral histories of the eyewitnesses, NORAD, ATC etc etc etc. Your research is youtube videos and gage's crap...and that's it. You haven't done any real research.
*For example, the idea that the thermtic red-gray chips are actually paint. Paint/primer are not highly energetic,, will never leave elemental iron and aluminum oxide as by-products when burned. And are not composed of elemental aluminum and iron oxide in nano sized particles, as are the red-gray chips.Wrong wrong wrong.....this shows that not only do you fail at chemistry...but you have not even bothered to read the evidence posted on this very forum. Epic fail once again.
So it is just that absurd and easily debunked. Anyone can see the squibs cannot possibly be compressed air from 'pancaking floors' because all there is above is an incredibly explosive fountain of pulverized debris, in either case.LOL they aren't "squibs"....it's air, etc being forced out. Once again you fail at basic research.


I get that it is a lot easier for people to believe that this was done by an evil foreigner living in a cave in Afghanistan than the terrible alternative..He did not live in a cave. Epic fail.

But the evidence overwhelmingly points to the latter: that people in positions of power staged this elaborate event and murdered 3000 people in such a terrible way to rush us off to two prolonged wars, establish bases in the middle east, curtail our civil rights at home, and dramatically increase military spending, -its gone from 20bn in 2001 to over 80bn today. Assertions with no proof....typical truther nonsense.


Whether it's Kevin Ryan, who was fired from UL for speaking up,Nope...that isn't why he was fired...of course you would know that if you bothered to do any actual research....
or Steven Jones, also dismissed from his job at BYU, (this is a man who has authored over 50 peer-reviewed papers in his career).Steven Jones was fired cause he was expressing insane views and wouldn't keep his personal nutty views to himself.....
Richard Gage who stepped up to the plate to do this critical work full time is a hero plain and simple.Gage stepped up to the plate? LOL yeah....well he DID make a powerpoint presentation...so I guess we have to give him that....otherwise he is pretty much failing at convincing anyone with his "theories"...
He is making a fraction of what he made as an architect.. well he did make over $70,000 and travel for free all over the world....and get paid to present some fact free error ridden powerpoint...seems like a good deal to me......
even lesser known people..like podcaster and vlogger James Corbett of corbettreport.com or the real debunkers of nonsensical theories: these guys: http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/Nobodies doing nothing.....lol....classic

one thing is perfectly clear: they have all made tremendous sacrifices in time and resources to get this material out there because they care. Because they are outraged by these events and at the obvious cover-up the media. They do it because they are freaking nuts...
You think it is an accident that the destruction of wtc7 remains completely unknown by most Americans a decade later?And when most Americans are made aware of it...the reaction is "who cares?"
That there is no mention in the NY Times of the nearly 2 year Harrit study on the dust...or the fact that 1500 plus architects and engineers having signed a petition saying the official explanation cannot possibly be true? It isn't.The NY times doesn't often report fake peer reviewed journal articles that no one cares about....or an online petition with not even 1% of anybody in any profession.....the NY times is just doing what most people do to the truth movement....IGNORE THEM


Physical fact: freefall acceleration observed at wtc7 can only mean one thing: the supports were removed: kinda true in a way....although you dont understand how or why the structure lost its "resistance"....

 

[Sabretooth]

Ow my god, so if we use the logic of the debunkers, james randi wants to make money out this with his non profit organization!!!

Nice example by the way!!

Since Cardboard Gage is only out to make money off of the deaths of 3,000 people, there is no comparison.

Gage has backed himself into a corner. If a new investigation ever really comes to fruition, he's out of a job...permanently. No company will ever hire him. He'd be lucky if he got a job as a greeter at Walmart.

So Gage spouts the same crap he laid down in 2006 over and over again...even though he's been debunked to the moon and back. People, like yourself, get sucked into his nonsense and you give him money with the false prophet promise of a "new investigation" that will never come.

Do yourself a favor and put the Kool Aid down...abandon Gage now before your sitting in a dark shelter eating cat food.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Gage has backed himself into a corner. If a new investigation ever really comes to fruition, he's out of a job...permanently. No company will ever hire him. He'd be lucky if he got a job as a greeter at Walmart.

You're underestimating him. If the truth movement got a fully funded enquiry with subpoena powers and it concluded (as it must if it were honestly carried out) that the 9/11 attacks occurred exactly as history records, Gage would simply accuse the truthers responsible of being government infiltrators, and the investigation as being rigged. As, of course, would the majority of truthers. And if the truth movement tried to dictate the outcome of an investigation (as, of course, they would, being more concerned with bolstering idealogy than with discovering truth), then either the whole thing would mire itself in increasingly acromonious arguments between different factions, or an outcoe would be reached which would satisfy only one out of many factions, leaving Gage with the attractive option of supporting one of the many losers (as, of course, he already does).

That's the thing about unfalsifiable positions. They're always adaptable to a new unfalsifiable position.

Dave

 

[newton3376]

Since Cardboard Gage is only out to make money off of the deaths of 3,000 people, there is no comparison.

Gage has backed himself into a corner. If a new investigation ever really comes to fruition, he's out of a job...permanently. No company will ever hire him. He'd be lucky if he got a job as a greeter at Walmart.

So Gage spouts the same crap he laid down in 2006 over and over again...even though he's been debunked to the moon and back. People, like yourself, get sucked into his nonsense and you give him money with the false prophet promise of a "new investigation" that will never come.

Do yourself a favor and put the Kool Aid down...abandon Gage now before your sitting in a dark shelter eating cat food.

I'm sure that Gage, Jones, Harrit, Szamboti, etc will someday regret being involved in the "truth" movement....

Their ineptitude in engineering and science is in writing for anyone to evaluate or analyze for all time....

I'm surprised some truthers still hold jobs in technical fields....I certainly would not recommend them for hiring.

We had one truther who worked for us as an Engineer (he had a degree in physics)....the guy told me that his neighbor had designed and built a functioning WARP DRIVE in his garage...

Needless to say he did not work for the company for very long....

 

[sheeplesnshills]

nice text!!

No this is nice text.

To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die, to sleep,
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to: 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep;
To sleep, perchance to dream – ay, there's the rub:
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause – there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law’s delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment,
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action. Soft you now,
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remembered.[1]

and it just as relevant as as that wall of text.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

You're underestimating him. If the truth movement got a fully funded enquiry with subpoena powers and it concluded (as it must if it were honestly carried out) that the 9/11 attacks occurred exactly as history records, Gage would simply accuse the truthers responsible of being government infiltrators, and the investigation as being rigged. As, of course, would the majority of truthers. And if the truth movement tried to dictate the outcome of an investigation (as, of course, they would, being more concerned with bolstering idealogy than with discovering truth), then either the whole thing would mire itself in increasingly acromonious arguments between different factions, or an outcoe would be reached which would satisfy only one out of many factions, leaving Gage with the attractive option of supporting one of the many losers (as, of course, he already does).

That's the thing about unfalsifiable positions. They're always adaptable to a new unfalsifiable position.

Dave

Religions have been wrong for millenia and demonstrably so for centuries and we are only now starting to see them fade into the same status as Psychic readers etc.

Gage can probably make a good living out these fools for the rest of his life. people have being milking JFK for 50 years!

 

[Horatius]

I'm sure that Gage, Jones, Harrit, Szamboti, etc will someday regret being involved in the "truth" movement....

Their ineptitude in engineering and science is in writing for anyone to evaluate or analyze for all time....

I doubt they will. Most of them are near the end of their working careers, or have actually retired, and truthing will always provide them a nice little second income. I doubt any of these guys ever seriously expect to do real work ever again.

I'm surprised some truthers still hold jobs in technical fields....I certainly would not recommend them for hiring.

We had one truther who worked for us as an Engineer (he had a degree in physics)....the guy told me that his neighbor had designed and built a functioning WARP DRIVE in his garage...

Needless to say he did not work for the company for very long....

As I've said before, truthers need to realize that, just as there are bad drivers, bad cooks, bad teachers, bad musicians, bad actors, and bad members of every other sort of profession, there are some people who are just bad scientists, and bad engineers.

 

[atavisms]

You do know Kevin Ryan was a WATER TESTER right?

He is a chemist. And I wouldnt care if he was a garbage man or a homeless crackhead for that matter..so long as what he said was correct

 

[newton3376]

I doubt they will. Most of them are near the end of their working careers, or have actually retired, and truthing will always provide them a nice little second income. I doubt any of these guys ever seriously expect to do real work ever again.

Good point about being near the ends of their careers......you might be right that they really aren't expecting to do real work again.

Sad thing about Derek Johnson then.....he is a young engineer and got caught up in this nonsense.

As I've said before, truthers need to realize that, just as there are bad drivers, bad cooks, bad teachers, bad musicians, bad actors, and bad members of every other sort of profession, there are some people who are just bad scientists, and bad engineers.

This is true.

 

[atavisms]

"9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!".

I agree

 

[dafydd]

I agree

No proof needed.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

He is a chemist. And I wouldnt care if he was a garbage man or a homeless crackhead for that matter..so long as what he said was correct

Bingo! He was wrong.

 

[atavisms]

Truth Movement......Got 1%?

I have no idea what the actual percentage is. It's irrelevant. Most people used to believe the world was flat; that did not make it so. But the fact that over 1500 building professionals have signed their name to a petition saying the official accounts of these events could not possibly be correct and that we need "a truly independent investigation," should have been front page news.. It wasn't. And the cover-up continues.

1% of the population would be impressive. In fact the numbers are much higher of people who question the official account (see 9-11 related polls) and this despite that we are living in a country (and world) where the media is owned by a handful of corporations. Where the majority of people have never even heard of WTC7 and 9-11 truth is caricatured in the media as loony conspiracy theories. -something you have obviously swallowed hook, line & sinker, as they say.

I think at the very least, anyone who looks seriously at the facts of 9-11 can concede that these were highly anomalous events. Anomalies far surpassing the almost unprecedented aspect of airplanes smashing into office towers.. There is nothing unprecedented about fires in highrise buildings and yet NONE has ever, in the history of building such structures, behaved the way wtc7 did. According to NIST it was fires that brought down wtc 1 2 & 7
This is worth a read: http://www.projectcensored.org/top-...ames-atta-and-the-100000-911-terrorists-stil/

 

[Dog Town]

He is a chemist. And I wouldnt care if he was a garbage man or a homeless crackhead for that matter..so long as what he said was correct agreed with me.

ftfy

 

[excaza]

No this is nice text.



and it just as relevant as as that wall of text.

Please don't demean Bill with your analogy...

 

[excaza]

He is a chemist. And I wouldnt care if he was a garbage man or a homeless crackhead for that matter..so long as what he said was correct

Well, what he said wasn't correct. Glad we got that out of the way!

 

[atavisms]

And yet, all those qualified people and their millions of supporters are accomplishing nothing. No support swung for one candidate over another in any election, no new investigations, no follow up on early research findings

I dont know about 'nothing,' they have you here you here reaffirming the case for demolition again and again and again. Fact is that over 80,000 signatures were gathered in NYC in a grassroots effort to get a local investigation on the ballet. Real 9-11 Truth is supported by millions of people across the globe; people whose political opinions and affiliations cover nearly every aspect of the political spectrum.

 

[newton3376]

I have no idea what the actual percentage is.

Oh I know you have no idea...no surprise there.

It's irrelevant.

Actually it's quite relevant....your little insane "cult" isn't very effective at getting converts...I wonder why that is?

Why do you think that is atavism? Hmmm? If your evidence is so strong atavisms and it's so obvious atavisms then why don't you have 1%?

Most people used to believe the world was flat; that did not make it so.

Once people were shown evidence to the contrary....they changed their position. Too bad you truthers are failing at convincing people...thus you REMAIN at less than 1%.

But the fact that over 1500 building professionals have signed their name to a petition saying the official accounts of these events could not possibly be correct and that we need "a truly independent investigation," should have been front page news.. It wasn't. And the cover-up continues.

Atavisms? Are you there atavisms? EARTH TO atavisms! 1500 is not even 1%........Epic Fail for you atavism. So much for your "obvious evidence"

1% of the population would be impressive.

For truthers....even 0.5% would be impressive....here is a clue atavisms....it won't happen in your lifetime

In fact the numbers are much higher of people who question the official account (see 9-11 related polls)

Questioning aspects of the "official account" doesn't make them truthers....no matter how desperately you want it too

and this despite that we are living in a country (and world) where the media is owned by a handful of corporations. Where the majority of people have never even heard of WTC7 and 9-11 truth is caricatured in the media as loony conspiracy theories. -something you have obviously swallowed hook, line & sinker, as they say.

Um.....that is because...atavisms....it is a loony conspiracy theory

See? Wasn't that easy?

I think at the very least, anyone who looks seriously at the facts of 9-11 can concede that these were highly anomalous events.

Yes atavisms...and you might have noticed this....two PLANES HIT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDINGS...perhaps you saw that? That in and of itself is an "anomaly"...you might have noticed even MORE anomalies atavisms...but I'll let you think real hard about those

Anomalies far surpassing the almost unprecedented aspect of airplanes smashing into office towers.. There is nothing unprecedented about fires in highrise buildings and yet NONE has ever, in the history of building such structures, behaved the way wtc7 did. According to NIST it was fires that brought down wtc 1 2 & 7

And do you know...atavisms...why the "never happened before" argument is what we call "completely retarded" and fallacious? (Fallacious is another way of saying completely retarded).

Do you know why atavisms? If not don't worry....we can explain it to you....I'll even use the big boy font if you want me to, okay atavisms?

 

[The Platypus]

... 9-11 truth is caricatured in the media as loony conspiracy theories.

There is no caricature, these are loony conspiracy theories. It's not the "media" that makes people think you guys are loony, it's you guys. The fact that you think the only way people could possibly think your a bunch of loons is because the media told them so, while ignoring all the kooky behavior and all the kooky things your cults say, and reciting this common loony excuse to explain it to yourself, only confirms it even moreso.

The reality is that you sound and act like loons, that's why people think your loony. That's how i found out 911 cults were loony conspiracy theorists, it isn't from the media, it is from encountering them.