Merged So there was melted steel

Oystein said:
"Do you think there were such bulk amounts of molten steel days or weeks after 9/11?"
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Molten metal in the debris pile was observed be many credible sources. I have no reason to disbelief those eyewitnesses.

Here is an interesting video I've found;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wwbOUR-sxI&feature=player_embedded

And the History Channel helped with more evidence;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J22-NEXvAgA&feature=related

The fires of Hell;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z1isoWsKtM&feature=related

Some amusing melted steel spin from Big TV;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_zLZXGt218&feature=related

A Super Thermite paint experiment;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPs25Jj8_As&feature=related

And a sampling of quotes from those, unlike yourself, who saw with their own eyes;

http://wasteage.com/mag/waste_dday_ny_sanitation/

D-DAY: NY SANITATION WORKERS' CHALLENGE OF A LIFETIME
by Tom R. Arterburn, April, 2002

“Once the area was cleaned, normal commercial trash collections resumed by the haulers that are licensed and regulated by the Trade Waste Commissioner,” Dawkins says. But for about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal — everything from molten steel beams to human remains — running trucks back and forth between Ground Zero and Fresh Kills landfill, which was reopened to accommodate the debris.

http://gcn.com/articles/2002/09/09/handheld-app-eased-recovery-tasks.aspx

Handheld App Eases Recovery Tasks
by Trudy Walsh, September 9, 2002

"Not only was this laborious for the firefighters, but the working conditions were hellish, said Greg Fuchek, vice president of sales for LinksPoint Inc. of Norwalk, Conn. For six months after Sept. 11, the ground temperature varied between 600 degrees Fahrenheit and 1,500 degrees, sometimes higher.
'In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel,' Fuchek said. The firefighters' handwriting sometimes was misread, introducing errors into the database, Fuchek said."

http://www.jhsph.edu/Publications/Special/Welch.htm

Danger in the Dust
John Hopkins Public Health Magazine
by Rod Graham, Fall 2001

Alison Geyh, PhD, an assistant scientist with the School's Department of Environmental Health Sciences (EHS), heads the team of scientists sent by the School in response to a request by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences for a coordinated study of the disaster's potential health effects to those in the immediate environment.

It is 4 a.m. in New York City as four researchers from the School enter the site of the World Trade Center disaster on foot. Each is lugging from 50 to 90 pounds of air-monitoring equipment onto Ground Zero. In the dark, the tangled pile of wreckage takes on a distinctly hellish cast.
"Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense," reports Alison Geyh, PhD. "In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel."

http://www.neha.org/9-11 report/index-The.html

Messages in the Dust
THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION
by Francesca Lyman, September 2003

Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived in New York to help September 11th but didn’t arrive to the Ground Zero the site until the night of September 12th.

"Ground Zero was a disaster site like no other—with hazards everywhere. Shards of steel lay upon shards of steel, shifting and unstable, uncovering red hot metal beams excavated from deep beneath layers of sub-floors, exposing further dark crevasses."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_200112/ai_n9015802/

Serving on 'sacred ground'
National Guard
by Guy Lounsbury, December 2001

"We arrived here two weeks after the terrorist attack.

Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots. Massive steel girders were sandwiched in with crushed concrete. Someone told us that they weighed 1,000 pounds a foot. The collapse left them all blackened and twisted. They are among the few recognizable items in the rubble. You find scant evidence of the hundreds of offices that were once part of the twin towers. Most the furniture and equipment was pounded into dust."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMZ38mY31cM

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Leslie Robertson: "The next thing is we talk about the molten metal. I..we have not done any chemical analysis of what was there. We had many engineers on the site of the project [WTC GZ] following their failure.

We and other engineering firms.

And ah, yes there was red-hot, hmm.. metal seen by engineers and, but molten means flowing ah I, never run across anyone who said that they have in fact seen molten metal, or if by the way, if they had seen it, that they had performed some sort of analysis to determine what that metal was."

I could write a whole book on the many references to the molten and red hot metal found at WTC Ground Zero.

MM
 
Miragememories said:
Molten metal in the debris pile was observed be many credible sources. ... And ah, yes there was red-hot, hmm.. metal seen by engineers and, but molten means flowing ah I, never run across anyone who said that they have in fact seen molten metal, or if by the way, if they had seen it, that they had performed some sort of analysis to determine what that metal was."

I could write a whole book on the many references to the molten and red hot metal found at WTC Ground Zero.

MM
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Oops, Robertson says no melted steel.
Red hot metal, I have it in my fires. But melted flowing steel was not seen on 911, or after 911.

And you missed the OP purpose! What difference does it make? There was no melted steel, unless you can produce evidence. You have talk, no evidence. Good luck, with a solid 10 years of failure, I find it hard to think you will get better sticking with your delusional claims of CD.
 
WildCat said:
This magical thermite which keeps steel molten for months, why don't truthers use it to power a steam turbine and generate cheap cheap cheap electricity!
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Well super sekrit nano-thermite requires a laboratory that can only be obtained by some super sekrit James Bond type villain. It takes at least a zero point energy perpetual motion machine to develop the energy required to produce super sekrit nano-thermite so it's part of the illuminati reptile alien conspiracy coupled with big oil to stop mankind being energy free.

I mean come on Wildcat I thought you had some intelligence. Don't you know anything? Shucks. :rolleyes:
 
Miragememories said:
Molten metal in the debris pile was observed be many credible sources. I have no reason to disbelief those eyewitnesses.
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Miragememories:Can you address this, or will you ignore it?

Oystein said:
[*]If the molten steel was observed a significant while after the collapses - 1 day, 1 week, or 1 month - when did it melt? a) before the collapse b) during the collapse c) after the collapse
[*]If you answered a or b): Why did the molten steel not disperse, mix with cooler dust and debris, and resolidify before 1 day (week, month) had passed and the molten steel was observed?
[*]If you answered c): You say it was pre-planted thermite. Why did that thermite not disperse and mix with the other dust and debris and become ineffective? How could it stay concentrated in sufficient amounts during the collapse to produce a bulk amount of molten steel after the collapse?
[*]If you answered c): Why did the thermite not melt steel before or during the collapse? Did it malfunction? Or was it never intended to play a role with regard to the collapse itself?
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Miragememories said:
Molten metal in the debris pile was observed be many credible sources. I have no reason to disbelief those eyewitnesses.
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:rolleyes:

For the nth time...

1. Molten metal is expected in normal fires

2. Reports of molten/melting/melted steel and reports of molten/melting/melted steel beams and girders are very easily found in reports of other fires many of which are much more dramatic than anything you quoted.

Conclusion : Therefore reports of molten metal and molten steel on 911 are TOTALLY UNREMARKABLE.

Tmd also had issues accepting he had already been shown this. Im really going to have to put together a whole thread on its own where I just have a huge list of reports of molten steel in others fires to refer people to as this comes up so often.
 
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alienentity said:
Hey sunstealer, would you mind dropping by this video and take up the points of ThePeage?
Ivan Kminek has already had a conversation with him, but he seems unable to fathom that the Harrit paper data doesn't support their conclusions.

Thanks in advance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY3nj728WPY
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I read the first page of comments but I'd rather not trawl through pages of youtube "comment". Can you summarise, with quotes if necessary, his position?

Thanks.
 
jaydeehess said:
So what did cause the rubble to be hot enough to melt metals for so long then tempesta?
See Oystein's questions and the OP please.
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The metal can exist in a molten state for a time but nowhere does that imply thermite, a combustible powder, would just magically keep burning.
 
beachnut said:
Oops, Robertson says no melted steel.
Red hot metal, I have it in my fires. But melted flowing steel was not seen on 911, or after 911.
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Patently false. Firefighters say they saw molten steel "running down the channel rails". One report mentioned an actual steel beam dripping molten.

Why lie if you're so confident in your theory?
 
tempesta29 said:
Patently false. Firefighters say they saw molten steel "running down the channel rails". One report mentioned an actual steel beam dripping molten.
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Who cares?

Reports of molten steel are common in plenty of normal fires, I can find plenty of far more dramatic descriptions than anything MM posted. :rolleyes:
 
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tempesta29 said:
Are you implying a controlled demolition CAN'T result in molten steel under any circumstances, or simply that they haven't in the past?
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Maybe I can add a qualifier - "no controlled demolition causes molten metal or molten steel that we know of." I'll bet that makes you feel better, but for us its still just as laughable.
 
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Edx said:
Maybe I can add a qualifier - "no controlled demolition causes molten metal or molten steel that we know of." I'll bet that makes you feel better, but for us its still just as laughable.
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No building such as the Twin Towers was ever demolished, so it wasn't a traditional operation in any sense of the word.
 
tempesta29 said:
Bedunkers say this a lot. It isn't helping your cause.
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"Who cares" when the reports you just posted can be found in other fires? If youre going to argue the reports are abnormal on 911, that shouldn't happen.


Molten steel is common in normal fires? No it isn't.
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I didnt say that, I said reports of molten steel are common in plenty of normal fires. Are you saying that if that is true, you'll agree that your molten steel witness reports on 911 are indeed totally unremarkable like I said?
 
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Miragememories said:
Molten metal in the debris pile was observed be many credible sources. I have no reason to disbelief those eyewitnesses.

Here is an interesting video I've found;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wwbOUR-sxI&feature=player_embedded

And the History Channel helped with more evidence;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J22-NEXvAgA&feature=related

The fires of Hell;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z1isoWsKtM&feature=related

Some amusing melted steel spin from Big TV;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_zLZXGt218&feature=related

A Super Thermite paint experiment;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPs25Jj8_As&feature=related

And a sampling of quotes from those, unlike yourself, who saw with their own eyes;

http://wasteage.com/mag/waste_dday_ny_sanitation/

D-DAY: NY SANITATION WORKERS' CHALLENGE OF A LIFETIME
by Tom R. Arterburn, April, 2002

“Once the area was cleaned, normal commercial trash collections resumed by the haulers that are licensed and regulated by the Trade Waste Commissioner,” Dawkins says. But for about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal — everything from molten steel beams to human remains — running trucks back and forth between Ground Zero and Fresh Kills landfill, which was reopened to accommodate the debris.

http://gcn.com/articles/2002/09/09/handheld-app-eased-recovery-tasks.aspx

Handheld App Eases Recovery Tasks
by Trudy Walsh, September 9, 2002

"Not only was this laborious for the firefighters, but the working conditions were hellish, said Greg Fuchek, vice president of sales for LinksPoint Inc. of Norwalk, Conn. For six months after Sept. 11, the ground temperature varied between 600 degrees Fahrenheit and 1,500 degrees, sometimes higher.
'In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel,' Fuchek said. The firefighters' handwriting sometimes was misread, introducing errors into the database, Fuchek said."

http://www.jhsph.edu/Publications/Special/Welch.htm

Danger in the Dust
John Hopkins Public Health Magazine
by Rod Graham, Fall 2001

Alison Geyh, PhD, an assistant scientist with the School's Department of Environmental Health Sciences (EHS), heads the team of scientists sent by the School in response to a request by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences for a coordinated study of the disaster's potential health effects to those in the immediate environment.

It is 4 a.m. in New York City as four researchers from the School enter the site of the World Trade Center disaster on foot. Each is lugging from 50 to 90 pounds of air-monitoring equipment onto Ground Zero. In the dark, the tangled pile of wreckage takes on a distinctly hellish cast.
"Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense," reports Alison Geyh, PhD. "In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel."

http://www.neha.org/9-11 report/index-The.html

Messages in the Dust
THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION
by Francesca Lyman, September 2003

Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived in New York to help September 11th but didn’t arrive to the Ground Zero the site until the night of September 12th.

"Ground Zero was a disaster site like no other—with hazards everywhere. Shards of steel lay upon shards of steel, shifting and unstable, uncovering red hot metal beams excavated from deep beneath layers of sub-floors, exposing further dark crevasses."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_200112/ai_n9015802/

Serving on 'sacred ground'
National Guard
by Guy Lounsbury, December 2001

"We arrived here two weeks after the terrorist attack.

Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots. Massive steel girders were sandwiched in with crushed concrete. Someone told us that they weighed 1,000 pounds a foot. The collapse left them all blackened and twisted. They are among the few recognizable items in the rubble. You find scant evidence of the hundreds of offices that were once part of the twin towers. Most the furniture and equipment was pounded into dust."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMZ38mY31cM

Extract from
LESLIE ROBERTSON_AND_STEVEN_JONES_DEBATE_PT3
at 04:29

Leslie Robertson: "The next thing is we talk about the molten metal. I..we have not done any chemical analysis of what was there. We had many engineers on the site of the project [WTC GZ] following their failure.

We and other engineering firms.

And ah, yes there was red-hot, hmm.. metal seen by engineers and, but molten means flowing ah I, never run across anyone who said that they have in fact seen molten metal, or if by the way, if they had seen it, that they had performed some sort of analysis to determine what that metal was."

I could write a whole book on the many references to the molten and red hot metal found at WTC Ground Zero.

MM
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produce the formerly molten steel then.
 
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