Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

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chrismohr said:
Robert Berhinig, UL Fire Safety expert, 1967: “steel frame buildings can collapse as a result of… fire. This is true for all types of construction materials, not only steel.”

Look again at my YouTube part 16 Eyewitness Accounts re Building 7; Foreknowledge of Destruction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajIr2G4wFn4. One firefighter after another testifies that they feared a collapse of Building 7. I made a huge leap of logic in saying these guys must have believed that fire could bring a building like this down if they predicted it would in fact collapse:rolleyes:

When I said steel-reinforced concrete buildings are "fair game" for comparison based on the fact that I think Richard Gage did this (or were all those burning buildings he showed steel-frame only with no concrete supporting or protecting the structural columns?), I didn't say Richard was lying so I could too. I was saying that if Richard is using steel-reinforced concrete buildings as examples, so can I.

Still working on getting this straight so my correction can be clear and complete.
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A fine difference if I may say so. I have many videos of firemen saying things like 'watch out for that building, it's going to blow up' or 'the building will be coming down soon' I also have live audio of one of the female workers from WTC7 saying to Bonnie Faulkner that the FDNY explicitly told her that they were going to bring building 7 down.

You have firemen who say that they thought the building was going to collapse. Whatever they said no steel framed hi-rise as EVER collspsed from fire anywhere on the planet..EVER. Even NIST themselves in their final report on WTC7 say that there was no structural damage to the building that could have contributed to it's collapse. So how the firemen you mention knew that the building would collapse is anybody's guess.

That safety expert you quote is demonstrably completely wrong as regards hi-rise steel framed buildings for the obvious reasons already given.
 
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bill smith; Who is the engineer who told you that any building can be brought down by fire ? He didn't tell you that about hi-rise steel framed buildings because that has never happened in the entire history of this planet despite much bigger said:
How is it less than honest????. What other steel frame high rise has ever had unfought fires............answer none, so why would it be surprising that the only time something has happened, something else happens for the first time in history?

The only fires that come close are the Windsor tower fire, that building had a reinforced concrete core but all steel work in the fire zone collapsed despite the fire being fought and the Meridian Building where the fire was fought but the building had to be demolished as it had suffered irreparable damage to its structure.
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sheeplesnshills said:
the Meridian Building where the fire was fought but the building had to be demolished as it had suffered irreparable damage to its structure.
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And structural engineers at the time were worried it was in danger of a pancake collapse.
 
chrismohr said:
A couple questions:
1) Is there a difference between steel-reinforced concrete structures and concrete-reinforced steel structures?
2) Am I correct in saying that the WTC buildings were neither, but instead a rare (unique?) example of pure steel frame structure with only spray-on fire retardant?
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1) Yes

2) No not really, the Buildings, like most buildings were unique but the methods used to build them are not particularly unusual. Thats why building codes had to change after 911 and why instructions in the event of a fire for occupants of such building have also changed and why the new WTC1 is a very different design.
 
Marokkaan: chris mohr, you are ignoring all those comments about your example delft. And nobody of the debunkers gives the correct comments.

Chris mohr: Yeah but there are another examples of steel frame buildings look to my youtube video

Marokkaan: no, you are ignoring a lot of comments, its not only about the structure, but also about the collapse, i showed you a link and i already posted about it.

Chris mohr:

Marokkaan:...

Chris mohr: And btw marokkaan. Oystein, ryan mackey and tom gave me some comment.

Marokkaan: And the other 100 debunkers? And did they analyzed every video?
Ah never mind....
 
bill smith said:
You have firemen who say that they thought the building was going to collapse. Whatever they said no steel framed hi-rise as EVER collspsed from fire anywhere on the planet..EVER. Even NIST themselves in their final report on WTC7 say that there was no structural damage to the building that could have contributed to it's collapse. So how the firemen you mention knew that the building would collapse is anybody's guess.
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A few questions Bill....


1. You are aware (aren't you) that collapse is always a concern for large building fires? Just because it had not happened (completely) before does not mean it is not a concern whenever there is a large fire in a structure. You already knew that though, right Bill?


2. Did you not hear or read the description of WTC 7? Did you not know the firefighters were describing the building leaning, creaking, and not having structural stability? I mean....you have looked at all the first responders (and others) testimony, right Bill? So you of course already knew this stuff.....right Bill?


Bill? Are you there?
 
Marokkaan: And the other 100 debunkers? And did they analyzed every video? Ah never mind....[/QUOTE said:
why would they? EVERY twoofer youtube to date has been garbage, one can only watch so much garbage before changing the channel.


How about you cite what you consider is the one single best most convincing piece of evidence? How could that fail to convince us?:D
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You guys should stay focussed on the srticle that debunks Chris. He has to answer it and could use a little help from you.
 
bill smith said:
Only because they were still taken in by the lies about the Twin Towers collapse on 9/11.
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Except the One Meridian Plazas fire happened 10 years before 911. :rolleyes:

Amazing how they can see into the future like that
 
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Here are fires that are used as examples of big fires that didn't collapse. Which of these are steel-reinforced concrete, have heavy concrete cores, etc?

The One Meridian Plaza Fire
The First Interstate Bank Fire
The 1 New York Plaza Fire
Caracas Tower Fire
The Windsor Building Fire
The Beijing Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire
The Parque Central
Madrid fire

Which of these does Richard Gage use in Blueprint for Truth... I don't want to have to watch it yet again!!
 
Bill?

Can you answer a few questions Bill?

Bill.....are you there Bill?

newton3376 said:
A few questions Bill....


1. You are aware (aren't you) that collapse is always a concern for large building fires? Just because it had not happened (completely) before does not mean it is not a concern whenever there is a large fire in a structure. You already knew that though, right Bill?


2. Did you not hear or read the description of WTC 7? Did you not know the firefighters were describing the building leaning, creaking, and not having structural stability? I mean....you have looked at all the first responders (and others) testimony, right Bill? So you of course already knew this stuff.....right Bill?


Bill? Are you there?
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Come on debunkers. You were only too happy to pump Chris up when he was making the videos. Now you should all chip in and help him to put together a defence against the rebuttal article. Many hands make light work. Or are you going to leave him to it ?
 
bill smith said:
Come on debunkers. You were only too happy to pump Chris up when he was making the videos. Now you should all chip in and help him to put together a defence against the rebuttal article. Many hands make light work. Or are you going to leave him to it ?
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awwwww......poor Billy can't answer my questions....

Are you still there Bill?

Bill?
 
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