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So here's a hypothetical question for everyone.

Someone comes to you and says "I can get you a trip to the moon. It'll be uncomfortable going there, conditions aboard aren't the most hygenic, and a number of returning astronauts have suffered in the days and weeks afterwards. Nothing major, some flu, some breathing irritation, some minor gastroenteritis, some skin irritations, BUT you get to go around (or land on ) the moon and you get several days in space."

Who here would turn that down, or who would risk it?

We already know that Pat would turn it down, because clearly Melman needs to man up a bit, so this is for everyone else
 
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drewid said:
So here's a hypothetical question for everyone.

Someone comes to you and says "I can get you a trip to the moon. It'll be uncomfortable going there, conditions aboard aren't the most hygenic, and a number of returning astronauts have suffered in the days and weeks afterwards. Nothing major, some flu, some breathing irritation, some minor gastroenteritis, some skin irritations, BUT you get to go around (or land on ) the moon and you get several days in space."

Who here would turn that down, or who would risk it?

We already know that Pat would turn it down, because clearly Melman needs to man up a bit, so this is for everyone else
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No question, I would be first in the queue.
 
Patrick1000 said:
As I have said before, Apollo Fraud is much less about rocks and photos than it is about ICBMs and Lasers.
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Utter ignorance of the Apollo historical record, ignorance of basic orbital mechanics, ignorance of basic aerospace medicine, ignorance of optics and lasers, ignorance of geology, ignorance about basic photography, exposure, field of view, depth of field, perspective, photogrammetry, ignorance about telemetry, transponders, shaft & trunnion angles, LM fly by wire and gimbal angles, ballistics & circular error propable, oh, plus the fact that feces do happen, and we do have something known as an immune system..

Diagnosis / conclusion; Patrick1000 is 100% fake, bogus, spurious, mock, phony, counterfeit, concocted.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Now if Collins did that to me, got space sick and pooped in the cabin, and I am Neil Armstrong about to descend to the lunar surface, and I have spent say a day breathing air with Collins poop in it, poop from "space sickness associated diarrhea", and I now harbor a full complement of Collins'; alimentary tract bugs in my own gi tract, including potential pathogens, am I going to feel safe? Is Aldrin safe?
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Do you honestly think that people like Armstrong and Aldrin would care about their risk of infectious disease compared to carrying out their mission? Had they been told it was a one way trip, there was no way to return from the moon, and they would without question die there, do you think that would have stopped them?


Incidentally, why do you believe the reports about Borman's illness? You think that the main points are lies but you're willing to believe that they told the truth about certain details. Why is it easier to believe that the mission was fake than it is that Borman didn't really get sick?

There's more evidence for the missions than there is for Borman's illness. There are thousands of people who worked for years on every aspect of the lunar missions. There's the lunar equipment that still works, like the AGC. There are movies and photos. There's been forty years for the Soviets, the Chinese and any other of our enemies to show any evidence of untruth.

Yet, the evidence that Borman got sick is very slim. There are just a few firsthand accounts, some radio chatter and nothing else. There are no pictures. There are no detailed plans from which we can build another Borman. Why do you choose to believe it?
 
Just thinking about this while walking the dog.
I know rugby players who come away with worse injuries that some minor infection, broken collarbones, noses, cauliflower ears, stud rash.

And they do that for fun, they're not even getting paid for it.
 
P1K;
Not to bring this crap, (pun intended), up again, but if there was fecal matter floating around in the cabin, as you say, then why was there no report of this from the Environmental Control Specialist in Houston? After all, the environment inside the cabin was monitored constantly.

Speaking of the environmental control system;

"The Apollo environmental control system has 180 parts in contrast to 8 for the average home window air conditioner. The Apollo environmental control system performs 23 functions compared to 5 for the average home conditioner. There are 23 functions of the environmental control system, which include: air cooling, air heating, humidity control, ventilation to suits, ventilation to cabin, air filtration, CO2 removal, odor removal, waste management functions, etc." (My bolding)

How did the floating fecal matter not clog up the filtration system? Just how big were these chunks of fecal matter?

I’ll let you go for a while because its time for Mommy to slip your dinner under the door. When you are done eating, please address this post.
 
DIAGNOSIS PHONY MISSION!!! My Point Exactly My Good Man! My Point Exactly!

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P1K;
Not to bring this crap, (pun intended), up again, but if there was fecal matter floating around in the cabin, as you say, then why was there no report of this from the Environmental Control Specialist in Houston? After all, the environment inside the cabin was monitored constantly.

Speaking of the environmental control system;

"The Apollo environmental control system has 180 parts in contrast to 8 for the average home window air conditioner. The Apollo environmental control system performs 23 functions compared to 5 for the average home conditioner. There are 23 functions of the environmental control system, which include: air cooling, air heating, humidity control, ventilation to suits, ventilation to cabin, air filtration, CO2 removal, odor removal, waste management functions, etc." (My bolding)

How did the floating fecal matter not clog up the filtration system? Just how big were these chunks of fecal matter?

I’ll let you go for a while because its time for Mommy to slip your dinner under the door. When you are done eating, please address this post.
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From Borman's first person account in Life Magazine, to Chaikin's "A MAN ON THE MOON", to NASA's very own Apollo 8 Mission Report itself, the story of Borman's "aerosolized feces" has become if not legendary, then nevertheless, certainly well known. Why no environmental report specifically addressing this important occurrence? The success of all journeys to follow; 9, 10, Apollo 11 itself !!!, Neil Armstrong's landing, would depend on it no less.

Why was the filtration system not clogged? Why didn't the astronauts talk about the stretch more? Certainly there were other episodes of cislunar sanitary indiscretion. Couldn't possibly have been the case that Borman's Apollo 8 ride was the only sojourn that featured the release of large combustible gas quantities within the cockpit.

I say this semi-tongue-n-cheek because I know the whole thing to be fake, but were it real, the amount of hydrogen, hydrogen sulfide and methane released into the cabin by Armstrong/Aldrin and Collins would need to be accounted for. It would quite literally be a fire hazard. The gases are combustable.

On Apollo 13, there would have been no filtering of air, none, zero. So every time Jim Lovell took a big gross one, some of that material would wind up in the air, the gases, including flammable gases, and Lovell's full entourage of bacteria too. So gross! Glad this is fake or I really couldn't stand it. Same with Haise, same with Swigert.

So when Lovell called Houston with the famous, "We've got a problem line". It was indeed bigger than anyone could have ever imagined. A horrific demise by asphyxiation, somewhere from within the sealed bowel of a terrestrial studio. A fake fate to be sure, ever so ever so ever so worse than a fake death.

Diagnosis; phony poop and phony mission to boot!
 
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Like I said, at least we can be thankful the thing is fake.

Toke said:
No, it is an annoyance on the way to walking on the moon.
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Like I said Toke, at least we can be thankful the thing is fake. Otherwise we'd be grossed out to death instead of giggling our fannies off.
 
Lots of great stuff to look forward to tke, hang in there

Toke said:
No, it is an annoyance on the way to walking on the moon.
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Toke, I know the poop thing is dragging on a bit, what can I say? Just to let you know, I am looking at some new and really interesting stuff.

I just got John M. Logsdon relatively new book, JOHN F. KENNEDY AND THE RACE TO THE MOON. Logsdon is a serious academic. Looking at this and other materials, I am getting a sense that more likely than not, Kennedy knew we could not get to the moon, right from the get go. That is not what Logsdon's highly regarded book is about. His book assumes we went, assumes we actually landed on 07/20/1969, assumes a genuine/sincere decision was made by Kennedy to rally the troops and push the country to do this great thing.

But for me, reading Logsdon's work and others, familiarizing myself with the political climate and military realities, not to mention knowing what I know about the cislunar sanitation issue, I have come to believe Kennedy is the "Big Cheese". He says "Let's Go to The Moon!", not because he thinks we can really make it, but because we need the cover of NASA and the new Apollo Program to get a few bucks and implement a few things, stuff we are not supposed to do.

Apollo was the perfect cover and it started with Kennedy, a conscious effort by
Kennedy to kick off the Apollo military program/moon instrumentation program/not to mention other military space activities, under the guise of a NASA that was allegedly benign, peaceful and above all, civilian.

I'll give details later Toke, many of them, let you know how I know this to be true. Has to be. Cannot be otherwise. But need to finish some research in that area, finish Logsdon's book, and finish with some other materials, and of course I really want to nail down the poop thing too before moving on.

Thanks for your patience.
 
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Read all the time, Check the book out Toke, Logsdon.............

Toke said:
Actually reading a book? :dl:
Come on what is wrong with the usual hoax sites.
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Read all the time Toke. Check the book out, Logsdon' s JOHN KENNEDY AND THE RACE TO THE MOON. It is an important academic work.
 
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