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How do truthers explain the phone calls?

The Truth Movement.....still not at 1%

what does this mean?
Please dont tell me 1% of the population or some such nonsense bc then you will really be revealing how deluded your thinking is. I've heard uneducated people say:
"1500 architects and engineers but what about all the ones who haven't signed?" like that matters.. Assume nothing about them. The fact is that hundreds (1550 I think it is about) of buildings professionals have come together to say "The official account is impossible: investigate." what else do you need to know? Many of these people are world class engineers and architects with decades of experience, who design skyscrapers and work in this very field.

When the ae911truth.org website hit 1000 building pros that should have been front page news all over the US! It wasn't How many is enough? 2000 2500? is it 3000? How many? This is such a fallacious argument that only some seriously lacking in common sense and logic could be impressed by it.

Look up the Harrit Study in the NY Times; it is as if it doesnt exist. (like trotsky after he fell out of favor in Soviet Russia, -wiped from the pages of history.)

This should trouble anyone who cares about a truly free press. Deniers demanded 'peer-review' 'peer-review' 'peer-review' when they finally were given that, now its not good enough.Meanwhile not one NIST's papers were peer-reviewed. Hell, they wont even release the data they used to model the wtc 7 collapse! That is not how science is done and history will most surely bear this out.
 
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what does this mean?
Please dont tell me 1% of the population or some such nonsense bc then you will really be revealing how deluded your thinking is. I've heard uneducated people say:
"1500 architects and engineers but what about all the ones who haven't signed?" like that matters.. Assume nothing about them. The fact is that hundreds (1550 I think it is about) of buildings professionals have come together to say "The official account is impossible: investigate." what else do you need to know? Many of these people are world class engineers and architects with decades of experience, who design skyscrapers and work in this very field.

When the ae911truth.org website hit 1000 building pros that should have been front page news all over the US! It wasn't How many is enough? 2000 2500? is it 3000? How many? This is such a fallacious argument that only some seriously lacking in common sense and logic could be impressed by it.

Look up the Harrit Study in the NY Times; it is as if it doesnt exist. (like trotsky after he fell out of favor in Soviet Russia, -wiped from the pages of history.)

This should trouble all anyone who cares about a free press.
deniers demanded 'peer-review' 'peer-review' 'peer-review' when they finally were given that, now its not good enough.Meanwhile not one NIST's papers were peer-reviewed. Hell, they wont even release the data they used to model the wtc 7 collapse! That is not how science is done and history will most surely bear this out.

Sigh...IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS!

You are a member of a tiny cult that is relegated to debating on relatively obscure internet forums and websites. Since you, like most cult members, don't realize just how obscure and irrelevant you really are and somehow think eventually "history will most surely bear this out", there is nothing more to say to you.

Until this debate leaves the internet and occurs in the halls of academia, the halls of justice, the halls of congress, or respected media you have NOTHING. You are the internet equivalent of the wild-eyed old man on a city street corner shouting the "end is near".

I couldn't care less about your opinions on 9-11, and neither can just about anybody who is important or respected on Earth.
 
Sigh...IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS!

You are a member of a tiny cult that is relegated to debating on relatively obscure internet forums and websites. - nonsense redacted-

tiny cult? Obviously you've no clue what ur talking about my friend.
There are 9/11 Truth groups for just about every state and municipality in the USA, and every country on the planet. Every profession from university professors, lawyers, firefighters, doctors, healthcare pros, scientists, buildings professionals to world class academics in support of what they can see is total BS we are being fed. here is an example: http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/e/hand-waving-the physics-of-911-by-david-griscom.pdf

Your problem is that because it is not being fed to you on TV you will not believe it. I understand that critical abilities are not equally distributed among the population... And tbh, I had the same incredulous reaction. until I looked carefully.

Real 911 truth is not 'a cult.' Nothing like it. I am not certainly a member of anywhere or go to any meetings,,whatever/
just NYC resident who looked into this events closely because i lived through the day and knew two of the victims. Its about the facts of the day not jiving with the official explanations, not nearly so. the facts: nothing less and nothing more.

it's a little scary that you wont believe it until its on TV. -its all over the halls of academia. http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html
Just look (Jones, Harrit, Hoffman, the people at project censored, et
Al are academics or scientists or building pros. ..Hoffman is a software engineer, inventor, and researcher who has been published. Steven Jones has had over 50 papers published. gage is an architect. on and on.
Cult? Keep dreaming.
 
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Perhaps you missed this post further up....

'' As you may know I think that flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC7 but something went askew leaving an undestroyed building and an extra plane to dispose of. So they were both connected forced errors- two sides of the same coin. The flight 93 ridiculous story was a rush job as was the obvious demolition of WTC7 and both stories are full of holes. The perps and their lapdogs played the emotional side of the flight 93 story as hard as they could on a whole orchestra of violins to turn researchers from looking to deeply into the issue. But in reality they are as vulnerable as all-get-out on that issue. ''

So the flight 93 scenario had to be invented on the fly and they cocked it up, just like they cocked up with WTC7. A rushed job usually leaves traces as we all know.

Since the towers were still standing how was the plane going to get to bldg 7?
 
Sigh...IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS!

You make personal attacks and attacks in general bc you cannot refute the points raised in any coherent manner. Your argument in clearly centered in your own incredulity. My question is. what are you doing here? You have your mind made up and closed: "-SIGH ITS BEEN 10 YEARS-"

Obviously you have issues with 9-11 or you would not still be here getting so bent out of shape and making such weak fallacious arguments. clearly unable to move on. This was what you just argued: "uhh, until it moves from the internet to TV I wont believe it"
 
There were no fake planes. forget fake planes. they are not part of real 9/.11 truth but just nonsense pretending to be. The hijackings were real.

Pretend for a moment the 'Truthers' (*a valiant name if ever there were one) are right. Certainly the evidence for explosives at WTC complex would be substantial if all there were was the way WTC7 came down, but there is so so much more than that, that all points in the same direction.

perhaps 'patsys' were made to believe they were part of an attack against the US not realizing they were the ones actually being manipulated. Looking at the evidence shows the phone calls were NOT faked. It would have unnecessarily complicated things. Remember Occam's Razor, the most direct (simple and obvious) explanation is usually the correct one. So to say, WTC7 fell that way from office fires, even though the only time we have ever seen a building exhibit those features was during an implosion via demolition charges, is going against all historic precedence. Saying it fell from 'thermal expansion having displaced a single column' is not the most likely explanation because it has never been seen before or since and goes against 120 years of hi-rise engineering history. Not simple. Not likely because it is completely unprecedented. When you hear some say 'fake planes' on 9-11. you know they dont know this subject or the central arguments of real 9-11 truth. And you can just skip that foolishness


And we just skip one more bit of foolishness..............yours...... and then the twoof vanishes entirely.:D
 
what does this mean?

It means the AE911 "petition" STILL does not have even 1% of ANY engineering profession! Not even 1%! After 10 years!


Please dont tell me 1% of the population or some such nonsense bc then you will really be revealing how deluded your thinking is. I've heard uneducated people say:
"1500 architects and engineers but what about all the ones who haven't signed?" like that matters.. Assume nothing about them. The fact is that hundreds (1550 I think it is about) of buildings professionals have come together to say "The official account is impossible: investigate." what else do you need to know? Many of these people are world class engineers and architects with decades of experience, who design skyscrapers and work in this very field.

Nope....I recommend you read who is on the AE911 "petition".

Many the Engineers are in unrelated fields ANYWAY....but let's say we count them.

There are 1.7 MILLION Engineers in the US ALONE! Thats just the US! Your "1500" signatures aren't even 1%.....not even 0.5%! LOL pathetic!

When the ae911truth.org website hit 1000 building pros that should have been front page news all over the US! It wasn't How many is enough? 2000 2500? is it 3000? How many? This is such a fallacious argument that only some seriously lacking in common sense and logic could be impressed by it.

YOU DONT EVEN HAVE 1%!

1500 is NOTHING! ITS PATHETIC!

Look up the Harrit Study in the NY Times; it is as if it doesnt exist. (like trotsky after he fell out of favor in Soviet Russia, -wiped from the pages of history.)

The "Harrit" study?

You mean the article published in a paper KNOWN TO HAVE A POOR REVIEW PROCESS?

Or maybe you mean the article published in a paper where TWO EDITORS RESIGNED?

Or maybe you mean the article published in a paper that is so "convincing" THE ACADEMIC WORLD IGNORES IT?

Is that the paper you are referring to?

This should trouble anyone who cares about a truly free press. Deniers demanded 'peer-review' 'peer-review' 'peer-review' when they finally were given that, now its not good enough.Meanwhile not one NIST's papers were peer-reviewed. Hell, they wont even release the data they used to model the wtc 7 collapse! That is not how science is done and history will most surely bear this out.


1. NIST papers had the contributions of hundreds of Engineers. That is a form of peer review all by itself. The NIST papers were an investigation so they could make safty recommendations so such things don't happen again. THE FACT THAT THE WORLDS BUILDING EXPERTS IN ACADEMIA AND INDUSTRY HAVE ACCEPTED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IS ABOUT AS MUCH PEER REVIEW AS YOU COULD ASK FOR.

2. Has anyone written any ACCEPTED technical articles questioning the data they used to model the collapses? Um...no.

So what were your points again?
 
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No. You let me know when you have proof. Until then, you've got nothing but baseless speculation mounted on paranoid, unsupported suspicion. In the meanwhile, we've got the inventor of the technology saying you're full of crap.

And on top of that:

Ignoring the weasel wording inherent in the ever indeterminate "They": What matters is that there were realtime calls made for people who got on the doomed flights at the last minute. As quoted just earlier today in this thread:


And it would take more - much more - than just having voice morphing tech (which wasn't sophisticated enough to do what was claimed back in 2001). To quote the inestimable Mike W:


Again: This topic is dead. You bring nothing new to a subject that was buried over 3 years ago.

That's one and I believe the only one that is difficult to explain. Explain what you hear on Ceecee's tape? Go ahead I want to hear what you have to say about that subject itself.
 
You make personal attacks and attacks in general bc you cannot refute the points raised in any coherent manner. Your argument in clearly centered in your own incredulity. My question is. what are you doing here? You have your mind made up and closed: "-SIGH ITS BEEN 10 YEARS-"

Obviously you have issues with 9-11 or you would not still be here getting so bent out of shape and making such weak fallacious arguments. clearly unable to move on. This was what you just argued: "uhh, until it moves from the internet to TV I wont believe it"

So if people respond to you it's because they know it was an inside job and if they don't that proves it was an inside job. Win, win.
 
That's one and I believe the only one that is difficult to explain. Explain what you hear on Ceecee's tape? Go ahead I want to hear what you have to say about that subject itself.
I'll tell you what you hear. A frightened woman who is about to die!
 
That's one and I believe the only one that is difficult to explain. Explain what you hear on Ceecee's tape? Go ahead I want to hear what you have to say about that subject itself.

I listened to whatever calls were released a long time ago. Why do I need to do so again? I already know what was said. And who cares if an individual call happens to be "difficult to explain" (it's not; you're hearing simple signal distortion and standard radio phone transmission problems, but if you would've realized that, you wouldn't be bringing this up now, would you?)? Regardless of what anomaly you think you perceive in one, single phone conversation, I have the following bodies of evidence to fall back on:
  • Secondary radar data tracking FL93 for its entire route.
  • All the calls, not just Ms. Lyles.
  • The cockpit voice recorder.
  • The flight data recorder, which allowed for the reconstruction of the flight path, thus providing mutual support for the radar data.
  • The eyewitnesses near Shanksville who directly observed the jet, or were aware of the crash and rushed to help.
  • The first responders who've verified that they worked a jetliner crash site.
  • Victims remains, positively identified by the local county coroner.
  • Items identifying the hijackers that were recovered from the crash site.
... and more.

And against all that, you want me to subtract all that context and just listen to a single datapoint that better fits with all that data I'm citing and ill fits with the notion that voice morphing was used? And then what? What if I did happen to find it "suspicious"? How does that undo all of that other evidence.

The problem is, you're not thinking. The real world doesn't work via ignoring all contextual information. If I hear either an echo on a call or some other sort of distortion, why should I supposed it's somehow related to supposed voice morphing technology when I've heard that exact same phenomenon on my own phone, as well as other wireless telephony devices such as the software phones my department uses at work? Why should I give the conspiratorial accusation even one tiny iota of credence when I already know what the entire context of the event is that surrounds the call?

Convergence of evidence. I don't need to worry about isolated distortions or supposed "echos" in a call; I already know that Cece Lyles was on board a jet that was proven to have been hijacked. I already know that the calls were accepted as genuine by courts (re: Moussaoui trial evidence) and family members. I already know that the charges that they were faked have been based on misunderstandings, distortions, and simple illogical thinking. And against that, what is being proffered?

What do I hear on that recording? I hear a frightened woman trying to make people understand a hijacking has occurred. And a person saying goodbye. If you have proof - and I mean actual proof, not poor understandings shaped by conspiratorial bias and prediliction towards fantasy over reality - that there's more to the calls than meets the eye, then that's what you have to present. You must present evidence that shuts the opposition up. That they cannot deny or argue against. But when all you do is give us exactly what you gave me - "Explain what you hear on Ceecee's tape? Go ahead I want to hear what you have to say about that subject itself..." - then you prove you have nothing.

Try harder. Nothing you've said, done, or argued has resurrected the topic. It's still dead as dead can be.
 
I listened to whatever calls were released a long time ago. Why do I need to do so again? I already know what was said. And who cares if an individual call happens to be "difficult to explain" (it's not; you're hearing simple signal distortion and standard radio phone transmission problems, but if you would've realized that, you wouldn't be bringing this up now, would you?)? Regardless of what anomaly you think you perceive in one, single phone conversation, I have the following bodies of evidence to fall back on:
  • Secondary radar data tracking FL93 for its entire route.
  • All the calls, not just Ms. Lyles.
  • The cockpit voice recorder.
  • The flight data recorder, which allowed for the reconstruction of the flight path, thus providing mutual support for the radar data.
  • The eyewitnesses near Shanksville who directly observed the jet, or were aware of the crash and rushed to help.
  • The first responders who've verified that they worked a jetliner crash site.
  • Victims remains, positively identified by the local county coroner.
  • Items identifying the hijackers that were recovered from the crash site.
... and more.

And against all that, you want me to subtract all that context and just listen to a single datapoint that better fits with all that data I'm citing and ill fits with the notion that voice morphing was used? And then what? What if I did happen to find it "suspicious"? How does that undo all of that other evidence.

The problem is, you're not thinking. The real world doesn't work via ignoring all contextual information. If I hear either an echo on a call or some other sort of distortion, why should I supposed it's somehow related to supposed voice morphing technology when I've heard that exact same phenomenon on my own phone, as well as other wireless telephony devices such as the software phones my department uses at work? Why should I give the conspiratorial accusation even one tiny iota of credence when I already know what the entire context of the event is that surrounds the call?

Convergence of evidence. I don't need to worry about isolated distortions or supposed "echos" in a call; I already know that Cece Lyles was on board a jet that was proven to have been hijacked. I already know that the calls were accepted as genuine by courts (re: Moussaoui trial evidence) and family members. I already know that the charges that they were faked have been based on misunderstandings, distortions, and simple illogical thinking. And against that, what is being proffered?

What do I hear on that recording? I hear a frightened woman trying to make people understand a hijacking has occurred. And a person saying goodbye. If you have proof - and I mean actual proof, not poor understandings shaped by conspiratorial bias and prediliction towards fantasy over reality - that there's more to the calls than meets the eye, then that's what you have to present. You must present evidence that shuts the opposition up. That they cannot deny or argue against. But when all you do is give us exactly what you gave me - "Explain what you hear on Ceecee's tape? Go ahead I want to hear what you have to say about that subject itself..." - then you prove you have nothing.

Try harder. Nothing you've said, done, or argued has resurrected the topic. It's still dead as dead can be.

You still haven't answered my question and you won't. You know what's on that tape is highly suspicious. You talk about other calls. How many were actually recorded? That's what makes this one very important, it is one of the few. So we really don't have much to compare it with. What I hear? You'll probably say I'm a horrible person, because that's always a fall back point for you guys, but I hear someone that sounds like they are reading a script. No emotion at all except for the very end, and that wasn't much. Compare that to the calls from the towers, both were in the same situation in terms of their lives. Those calls from the towers break my heart, I can't even listen to them, but this call is absent of that. Keep in mind she mentions that she somehow knows planes were already flown into the towers, so this would have made given her an idea of what may be about to happen.
 
You still haven't answered my question and you won't. You know what's on that tape is highly suspicious. You talk about other calls. How many were actually recorded? That's what makes this one very important, it is one of the few. So we really don't have much to compare it with. What I hear? You'll probably say I'm a horrible person, because that's always a fall back point for you guys, but I hear someone that sounds like they are reading a script. No emotion at all except for the very end, and that wasn't much. Compare that to the calls from the towers, both were in the same situation in terms of their lives. Those calls from the towers break my heart, I can't even listen to them, but this call is absent of that. Keep in mind she mentions that she somehow knows planes were already flown into the towers, so this would have made given her an idea of what may be about to happen.
There is nothing suspicious about it, you're a paranoid truther.

You do realize she was a flight attendant? Her training would have helped keep her somewhat calm, and the hope that they could take over the plane. If she was screaming and crying you'd probably complain she was "overly emotional"

I'm not sure if you're a horrible person, I don't know you personally. I just think you're a silly truther who will stoop to any level trying to convince yourself and others "da twoof"
 
You still haven't answered my question and you won't.

I did answer your questions; it's your responsibility to read and comprehend it. I specifically referred to echos and distortion, and compared them to other things like cell phones and radio software phones. Go back. Re-read.

You know what's on that tape is highly suspicious.

No. It's not. You can say "you know" all you want, but it doesn't turn fantasy into reality.

Again: Proof. You're pounding on a table of empty here.
 
Truthers: Ignoring the preponderance of evidence since 2001
What evidence?

Did he just seriously post that? So soon after I gave him a list?
  • Secondary radar data tracking FL93 for its entire route.
  • All the calls, not just Ms. Lyles.
  • The cockpit voice recorder.
  • The flight data recorder, which allowed for the reconstruction of the flight path, thus providing mutual support for the radar data.
  • The eyewitnesses near Shanksville who directly observed the jet, or were aware of the crash and rushed to help.
  • The first responders who've verified that they worked a jetliner crash site.
  • Victims remains, positively identified by the local county coroner.
  • Items identifying the hijackers that were recovered from the crash site.

... And that's just a summary - an incomplete one at that - for Flight 93.

Anyway, Twinstead, your point got proven. Completely. By the truther himself.
 

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