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How do truthers explain the phone calls?

sylvan8798 said:
One particularly nasty truther on another forum had a term which I don't remember, but he claimed the parts were wrong on purpose as a message from the Illuminati to those who could read the message (and be warned, etc.). "They" wanted the public at large to believe that it was Al Qaeda, but they wanted their minions to know who was actually behind it.
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*wipes sprayed out coffee off her monitor and keyboard* AAARRGGH! Must. Stop. Drinking. Coffee. While. Reading. Forum.
 
bill smith said:
I'm a dispassionate researcher. I seperate myself from the emotional side of the issue and just look at the technical detail. You can wear your heart on your sleeve if you wish but don't expect me to.
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That's a very long winded way of saying "I don't give a **** about people!"
 
Dash80 said:
That's a very long winded way of saying "I don't give a **** about people!"
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I'm not too concerned about how cold hearted he is, I just want to know if his 'dispassionate research' extends beyond blindly worshipping Richard Gage.
 
bill smith said:
On the 'Conspiracy Roadshow' last week an audio expert demonstrated voice morphing technology. I assume his gear was nowhere near as advanced as what the military might have- yet he was still able to record a sample of one of the female participants, type in a sentence of his own choosing and play it back. You would never have known that it was not the girl herself speaking.
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This is what's known as "answering the wrong question". Even if it were possible to do this in real time - which, of course, still hasn't been demonstrated - there's still the problem of what the phone calls were actually saying. To fake this, the conspiracy would have needed not only personal information on the personal background, typical vocabulary and speech patterns of the people it was imitating, but in one specific case some even more specific information.

Linda Grolund, aboard UA93, spoke to her sister Elsa Strong, and told her that her will was in her safe, which was in her closet. She then told her the combination of the safe.

How are the conspirators supposed to have known that information?

Dave
 
dannyb said:
Re-creating a voice - yes. Having all the personal information and doing it in real time - no.

It seems you're prepared to go to great lengths in order to keep this thing going - hardly the actions of a 'dispassionate researcher'.
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As you may know I think that flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC7 but something went askew leaving an undestroyed building and an extra plane to dispose of. So they were both connected forced errors- two sides of the same coin. The flight 93 ridiculous story was a rush job as was the obvious demolition of WTC7 and both stories are full of holes. The perps and their lapdogs played the emotional side of the flight 93 story as hard as they could on a whole orchestra of violins to turn researchers from looking to deeply into the issue. But in reality they are as vulnerable as all-get-out on that issue.
 
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Dave Rogers said:
This is what's known as "answering the wrong question". Even if it were possible to do this in real time - which, of course, still hasn't been demonstrated - there's still the problem of what the phone calls were actually saying. To fake this, the conspiracy would have needed not only personal information on the personal background, typical vocabulary and speech patterns of the people it was imitating, but in one specific case some even more specific information.

Linda Grolund, aboard UA93, spoke to her sister Elsa Strong, and told her that her will was in her safe, which was in her closet. She then told her the combination of the safe.

How are the conspirators supposed to have known that information?

Dave
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Do we have copies of the phone calls themselves or are they classified ? If so...do I need to say more ?
 
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Dave Rogers said:
This is what's known as "answering the wrong question". Even if it were possible to do this in real time - which, of course, still hasn't been demonstrated - there's still the problem of what the phone calls were actually saying. To fake this, the conspiracy would have needed not only personal information on the personal background, typical vocabulary and speech patterns of the people it was imitating, but in one specific case some even more specific information.

Linda Grolund, aboard UA93, spoke to her sister Elsa Strong, and told her that her will was in her safe, which was in her closet. She then told her the combination of the safe.

How are the conspirators supposed to have known that information?

Dave
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The government chose a few who agreed to be complicit, extensively interviewed them (and recorded their voices at the same time), planned exactly when they would call their loved ones and what they would say...
 
bill smith said:
As you may know I think that flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC7 but something went askew leaving an undestroyed building and an extra plane to dispose of. So they were both connected forced errors- two sides of the same coin. The flight 93 ridiculous story was a rush job as was the obvious demolition of WTC7 and both stories are full of holes. The perps and their lapdogs played the emotional side of the flight 93 story as hard as they could on a whole orchestra of violins to turn researchers from looking to deeply into the issue. But they are as velnerable as all-get- out on that issue.
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What does this have to do with people making calls reporting the plane was hijacked?
 
bill smith said:
As you may know I think that flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC7 but something went askew leaving an undestroyed building and an extra plane to dispose of. So they were both connected forced errors- two sides of the same coin. The flight 93 ridiculous story was a rush job as was the obvious demolition of WTC7 and both stories are full of holes. The perps and their lapdogs played the emotional side of the flight 93 story as hard as they could on a whole orchestra of violins to turn researchers from looking to deeply into the issue. But they are as velnerable as all-get- out on that issue.
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Did you see the videos I posted recently? One with the severe damage and blazing infernos at the back of WTC 7, and another with Alex Jones and Bermas saying there was a 'bit of damage to a couple of doors'?

I'm not bothered about your lack of emotion for the victims, but I am extremely disturbed by your lack of logic. I've only been on this site a short while, but your posts read like parodies at times.
 
bill smith said:
Just a little backgound Dash. For the Readers you kmow.
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Unfortunately it doesn't make any sense. Phone calls from all four planes told of hijackers, are you saying they had to quickly improvise to get the storming the cockpit "story" in real time two way conversations when they realized they had "screwed up?"
 
Dispassionate-
devoid of or uninfluenced by emotion or prejudice; objective; impartial

Hardly a word you can use to describe yourself Bill...
 
Dash80 said:
Unfortunately it doesn't make any sense. Phone calls from all four planes told of hijackers, are you saying they had to quickly improvise to get the storming the cockpit "story" in real time two way conversations when they realized they had "screwed up?"
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Well I think that flight 93 was under remote control actually Dash. When it landed in Cleveland it was rushed to a secure area where the lack of passengers would not be seen. The local mayor confirmed on TV that morning that 93 had landed at Cleveland
 
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bill smith said:
Do we have copies of the phone calls themselves or are they classified ? If so...do I need to say more ?
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So your argument is that none of the phone calls happened at all, and that all of it is a completely fabricated story? In which case, it would hardly be necessary to bother with voice morphing, would it? All that's necessary is to make up a story and publish it. Are you arguing that that's what happened, or are you just trying to muddy the waters?

Dave
 
bill smith said:
Well I think that flight 93 was under remote control actually Dash. When it landed in Cleveland it was rushed to a secure area where the lack of passengers would not be seen. The local mayor confirmed on TV that morning that 93 had landed at Cleveland
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So the local mayor is in charge of air traffic control as well? That's a quaint form of civic management.
 
Dave Rogers said:
So your argument is that none of the phone calls happened at all, and that all of it is a completely fabricated story? In which case, it would hardly be necessary to bother with voice morphing, would it? All that's necessary is to make up a story and publish it. Are you arguing that that's what happened, or are you just trying to muddy the waters? Dave
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You didn't answer the question, Are any of the calls in the public domain ?
 
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