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Pleasing the Crowds

Novest said:
I posted this in another thread and thought it could be worthily of discussion as the concept would indeed please many people.

Everyone throws around here very loosely, that God is omniscient. Could he have not just created 2 separate universes. One for them who is knows does good and one for them who is knows does evil - for debating reasons over the whole expand of ones life.

Imagine earth full of people who we would convict and right next to them, another earth full of people who would never be convicted. Let them who like to stab each other do it to their own kind, while them to like to not stab each other do it to their own kind.

Any technology both earth's/universe invent, they keep, any information about our each world's society passed down, aswell as history just like its done now with both parties in the one universe.

Could you see any downsides to this, apart from the fact noone would like to make the choice to visit an evil earth?
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Well, if God is omnisicent, then I doubt that he could create two universes, or even one universe.

In fact, I doubt that he could create much of anyhing except possibly some sub-atomic particles using a particle accelerator.

However, Think that you are getting the term omnisicent (which means 'all knowing') confused with the term omnipotetent (which means all powerful).

Is that so?

If it it the case, then please say so.

Thanks much!
 
Dave Rogers said:
So there are basically four possibilities here.

(1) God is not real.
(2) God is real, you're in the good world, and so are all the rest of us. Every apparent evil act in the world is in fact a good one.
(3) God is real, but you're in the evil world. That makes you as evil as the rest of us.
(4) Whether God exists or not, your idea isn't as good as you think it is.

Pick one.

Dave
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Did you want to leave out option 5?

God is real and we live in a world of good and evil, to weed out the weeds and let the thorns protect the roses.

Hence the idea of separating both, no need to do the weeding.
 
personally, I think human beings are too complicated to be divided into "good" and "evil". The same person is capable of great kindness and great cruelty.
 
catsmate1 said:
No "everyone" doesn't, that is a lie.


How about starting with some evidence for this "god" of yours? Before invoking multiple universes...........


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This question was based on no evidence, but an idea. I would have to assume since noone is agreeing with it, you all think you are evil and don't want to be in an evil world where only evil is and knowing what evil does, you'll be screwed.
 
Novest said:
This question was based on no evidence, but an idea. I would have to assume since noone is agreeing with it, you all think you are evil and don't want to be in an evil world where only evil is and knowing what evil does, you'll be screwed.
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that's a very foolish assumption.

it could be instead that we're all so good that we don't want other people confined to an "evil" world.

Or it could be that we think the whole idea is silly nonsense.

A question for you about your idea:

What happens to babies?

Let's say two perfectly good people in the good world have a baby, and somehow God knows that this baby is evil. What happens? Does the baby wink out of existence to appear in the evil world?
 
roger said:
So far as I can tell, Novest is merely discussing an idea, not proposing that it is so. Like if I started a thread about what would you do with a holodeck - I'm not proposing that they exist or would exist. I admit the OP is largely unintelligible.


Novost, I don't think your idea makes a lot of sense because most people are just kind of muddling through - within certain limits there are no "good people" and "bad people".

Let's start outside those limits - a sociopath has a brain condition that causes them to not feel empathy - and this can lead them to committing anything from not nice to atrocious acts. You can't really blame them, as they are broken, but there it is. Is it fair to throw them in a world with a bunch of other so-called "bad" people, and have those people inflicted with sadism and what have you? I think not.

Secondly, within the limits, most people are average and react to circumstances. I suggest reading (or at least reading about) Hannah Arendt's The Banality of Evil. The book is not without it's detractors, but the central thesis is that quite ordinary people can be lead to perform very outrageous things in certain circumstances (the circumstances in the book being the Holocaust). You had a man that started out by trying to stop killing of Jews to using his own initiative to invent new and more efficient ways to kill them, all while being a bland guy with a normal middle class existence.

Your proposal doesn't make much sense in light of the huge variety of human experience. "good" vs "bad" is rather juvenile.
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Yay, thank you =]

Very true it is juvenile, but on that note if we were all kids with no parents and no rules and know the basics, don't steal, kill, rape or inflict pain of any kind to anyone. Would all kids do it?

I merely said God is omni as an idea to say he would know the choices of them kids. The ones who would inflict pain, look for power and the rest.

And knowing that, just separate the 2, before their choice can be made. SO that the ones who wont inflict pain, live on Universe 0, while the others who do, live in Universe 1.
 
Lamuella said:
that's a very foolish assumption.

it could be instead that we're all so good that we don't want other people confined to an "evil" world.

Or it could be that we think the whole idea is silly nonsense.

A question for you about your idea:

What happens to babies?

Let's say two perfectly good people in the good world have a baby, and somehow God knows that this baby is evil. What happens? Does the baby wink out of existence to appear in the evil world?
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How could the baby with no example of bad?
 
so are ou suggesting that people only do things you consider "bad" because of the example that is set for them?
 
plus, what do you do with the in between people? Not everyone is completely good or completely evil.

Let's say, for example, you have a doctor who has saved hundreds of lives, worked tirelessly to cure diseases in third world countries, and pioneered new treatments that went on saving lives for decades afterwards. He also cheats on his wife and beats his kids. Does he go to the good world or the bad world?
 
Novest said:
Did you want to leave out option 5?

God is real and we live in a world of good and evil, to weed out the weeds and let the thorns protect the roses.

Hence the idea of separating both, no need to do the weeding.
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That comes under option 4: the twin universe idea wasn't as good an idea as you thought it was.

Dave
 
Lamuella said:
so are ou suggesting that people only do things you consider "bad" because of the example that is set for them?
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Isn't that why we have a rating system for TV shows and movies and ban things people deem to be too offensive for our children. "Oh think of the children!"

Yes iam suggesting that, if a world had not 1 kill registered, why would anyone do it?

Lamuella said:
plus, what do you do with the in between people? Not everyone is completely good or completely evil.

Let's say, for example, you have a doctor who has saved hundreds of lives, worked tirelessly to cure diseases in third world countries, and pioneered new treatments that went on saving lives for decades afterwards. He also cheats on his wife and beats his kids. Does he go to the good world or the bad world?
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Since you said he has done wrong, he can go to the 'evil' world and still help people who 'evil' beats and save people, while still beating on his kids and cheating on his wife. That is the whole point i suggested in separating the worlds. In the same example, he probably wouldn't want to help if he knew everyone was beating there kids, hence the chaos of an evil world. It's to big of an imagination to even comprehend what they would do in an evil world, let alone wanting to see and think about it. But we all know what a good world would do, and would rather be there and curse the idea cause i know i want to hurt someone who wont hurt me back lol.

There is actually an example of this written, with Zeus and his dad and Pandora.
 
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Whose avatar did Novest borrow? I remember it, but not the user name once attached to it.
 
slingblade said:
Whose avatar did Novest borrow? I remember it, but not the user name once attached to it.
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I borrowed it? assumes fact without evidence.

Been on my computer awhile, i have a folder called 'Avatar'. I could take a screenshot with how long it has been there, but you'll get say i edited it.
 
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