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Pleasing the Crowds

Novest said:
I didn't think i would have got this much flak for this.
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That sentence is wordier than it needs to be. The first three words would have been sufficient.


Personally i think its a brilliant idea and should have been done this way, if God is real.
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Most people do think their own ideas are brilliant.
Most people are usually wrong.


All good people mingling with no worries about having to look over your shoulder, no rip off artist's, no rape, murder you name it.
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These good people do not exist.


While the evil folks are angry they cant inflict pain on good people and have to watch every step they make.
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These evil folks do not exist, either.

You let slip a clue when you used text-speak. It wasn't a clue to treasure, either.
 
Akhenaten said:
What phrase?

You were asked for an explanation for this wierd assertion:

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and a link to a search for "God, omniscient" doesn't even come close to providing one.

If you're disinclined to take the time to answer questions in a meaningful way then you're not going to get much sympathy when people fail to take the drivel that you post seriously.
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Ahh i see, so if i don't answer your questions in a meaningful way i wont get taken seriously, but since you cant answer my questions in a meaningful way, i guess i have the same right to not take you seriously.

phrase god is omni, are you denying not one person on this forum has used 'well if god was omni why didn't he just do this'?



Akhenaten said:
I can't wait to hear an explanation of how the multiply effects operate.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7560257&postcount=107
 
Perhaps he's trying to score a grand slam? (I've been watching the tennis and it looks like Sam Stoser is in for a banner year!)
 
Novest said:
phrase god is omni, are you denying not one person on this forum has used 'well if god was omni why didn't he just do this'?
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This collection of English words needs considerable recrafting if your intention is for us to understand it.
 
Novest said:
just wow, what is so hard to understand how making 2 earths, one for good and one for bad? doesn't matter if you believe or not it is a pretty simple idea... Hell and Heaven become reality before your death in terms of judgement on ones life which God being omni, would already know.

God as in God. In my 2 days of traveling through the topics, as far as i can tell, atheists like to blindly use 'God is omni' and throw a wild 'fairy tale' after as a what if. This is all i have done, i copied an atheist.

basically tells me since you tried to start an argument, you would place yourself in the 'evil' section, so you have come in here defensive and attacking the idea.

The technology is entertainment, medicine, u name it but how can the side that God picked to be 'good' start a civil war? God is omni remember.
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I guess a clear explanation is not forth coming, so it is difficult to respond to you.
 
Novest said:
I didn't think i would have got this much flak for this. Personally i think its a brilliant idea and should have been done this way, if God is real. All good people mingling with no worries about having to look over your shoulder, no rip off artist's, no rape, murder you name it. While the evil folks are angry they cant inflict pain on good people and have to watch every step they make.
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I again recommend starting over with an out line.
 
Novest said:
Personally i think its a brilliant idea and should have been done this way, if God is real.
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So there are basically four possibilities here.

(1) God is not real.
(2) God is real, you're in the good world, and so are all the rest of us. Every apparent evil act in the world is in fact a good one.
(3) God is real, but you're in the evil world. That makes you as evil as the rest of us.
(4) Whether God exists or not, your idea isn't as good as you think it is.

Pick one.

Dave
 
Akhenaten said:
You're getting flak because you're posting gibberish.





There's your problem right there.





And you think you're the first one to ever think up this naive bilge, do you?
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Are you claiming to be the first one to ever think up naive bilge ? :cool:
 
Imagine that, a Pharaoh that doesn't believe in God, whom eagerly punishes a newcomer to oldest and most enduring misunderstandings that mankind will ever bear witness to. A TLA winner should, in my opinion, be a crusader, in communication , not a guardian of ..........
 
Akhenaten said:
You're getting flak because you're posting gibberish.





There's your problem right there.





And you think you're the first one to ever think up this naive bilge, do you?
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Must have never heard of Utopia.
 
Novest said:
Everyone throws around here very loosely, that God is omniscient.
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No "everyone" doesn't, that is a lie.

Novest said:
Could he have not just created 2 separate universes. One for them who is knows does good and one for them who is knows does evil - for debating reasons over the whole expand of ones life.
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How about starting with some evidence for this "god" of yours? Before invoking multiple universes...........

Novest said:
Imagine earth full of people who we would convict and right next to them, another earth full of people who would never be convicted. Let them who like to stab each other do it to their own kind, while them to like to not stab each other do it to their own kind.
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????????????????
 
Novest said:
I posted this in another thread and thought it could be worthily of discussion as the concept would indeed please many people.

Everyone throws around here very loosely, that God is omniscient.
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Personally, I have never thrown god around and have never said he/she/it is omniscient. There is no god.
 
Novest: How could anyone prove ore even demonstrate the parallel worlds you propose in your OP? Unless you can offer some evidence for the concept reflecting relaity, all it can ever be is idle speculation.
 
TimCallahan said:
Novest: How could anyone prove ore even demonstrate the parallel worlds you propose in your OP? Unless you can offer some evidence for the concept reflecting relaity, all it can ever be is idle speculation.
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So far as I can tell, Novest is merely discussing an idea, not proposing that it is so. Like if I started a thread about what would you do with a holodeck - I'm not proposing that they exist or would exist. I admit the OP is largely unintelligible.


Novost, I don't think your idea makes a lot of sense because most people are just kind of muddling through - within certain limits there are no "good people" and "bad people".

Let's start outside those limits - a sociopath has a brain condition that causes them to not feel empathy - and this can lead them to committing anything from not nice to atrocious acts. You can't really blame them, as they are broken, but there it is. Is it fair to throw them in a world with a bunch of other so-called "bad" people, and have those people inflicted with sadism and what have you? I think not.

Secondly, within the limits, most people are average and react to circumstances. I suggest reading (or at least reading about) Hannah Arendt's The Banality of Evil. The book is not without it's detractors, but the central thesis is that quite ordinary people can be lead to perform very outrageous things in certain circumstances (the circumstances in the book being the Holocaust). You had a man that started out by trying to stop killing of Jews to using his own initiative to invent new and more efficient ways to kill them, all while being a bland guy with a normal middle class existence.

Your proposal doesn't make much sense in light of the huge variety of human experience. "good" vs "bad" is rather juvenile.
 
Novest said:
just wow, what is so hard to understand how making 2 earths, one for good and one for bad? doesn't matter if you believe or not it is a pretty simple idea... Hell and Heaven become reality before your death in terms of judgement on ones life which God being omni, would already know.

God as in God. In my 2 days of traveling through the topics, as far as i can tell, atheists like to blindly use 'God is omni' and throw a wild 'fairy tale' after as a what if. This is all i have done, i copied an atheist.

basically tells me since you tried to start an argument, you would place yourself in the 'evil' section, so you have come in here defensive and attacking the idea.

The technology is entertainment, medicine, u name it but how can the side that God picked to be 'good' start a civil war? God is omni remember.
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Three Earths would be a better idea,one on,one in the wash and a spare one in the wardrobe.
 
TimCallahan said:
Novest: How could anyone prove ore even demonstrate the parallel worlds you propose in your OP? Unless you can offer some evidence for the concept reflecting relaity, all it can ever be is idle speculation.
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Apparently God created Heaven, populated by perfect beings called angels, and when that did not work out he created the planet Earth with us folks.

For some reason this too has not worked out as He expected and, even after an abortive attempt to fix things, he had to send His son to us for some ill-defined reason.

For an omi-smart being He sure seems to be an abject failure.

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Well, been thinking myself why he had to send his son, when he proved in the immaculate conception of Mary that he can remove sin from someone without sacrificing himself to himself. My guess is that it went kinda like this. (And I'm only kidding on the square. Most underlying assumptions are actually sound and for some actually mandatory theological concepts.)


ACT I

God: "I hear you guy have been talking about me being gay around my back."
Gabriel: "Well, Lord, what with your being reluctant to create women at all at first for humans, and then cursing them all, and forbidding them to enter your temples..."
God: "But they're... women! Of course I don't want them around!"
Gabriel: "Right you are, Lord, as usual. But that's why some of us couldn't help wonder if you're, you know, not into women much."
God: "You couldn't help it, huh?"
Gabriel: "No, Lord. As you know, we angels have no free will, so literally we couldn't help wonder if you're gay."
God: "Gah! Ok, tell you what... I'll go get me a bride and have a kid. That'll show you I'm not gay, right?"
Gabriel: "Well... ugh... yes, Lord, your... infinite wisdom is leaving me speechless, as usual."
God: "Ok, so first things first, we'll have to make the perfect bride..."
Gabriel: "Lord, as you know, only you are perfect in everything, but I suppose we could make her near perfect in a few chosen areas, if you so wish. In what ways do you want her to be perfect?"
God: *whisltes and draws an hourglass shape with his hands* "Perfect body. And..." *cups his hands in front of his chest* "... big tits. That's what hetero guys like, right?"
Gabriel: "Err... right. What about Original Sin, my Lord? Do you want that removed too?"
God: "Oh, no no no. I want her to be quite the original kinda sinner. Kinky mind and all."
Gabriel: "Ugh. No, Lord, I mean your curse unto Eve for eating your nuts."
God: "Nah, I liked that. Besides, I thought that was Adam?"
Gabriel: "No, Lord, the chestnut tree of knowledge over there..."
God: "Oh, THAT one. Nah, I forgive her."
Gabriel: *takes notes* "Ok, so that's Original Sin removed... Does that mean they can stop having birth pains, then?"
God: "What does have to do with anything?"
Gabriel: "As you know, Lord, that was part of your curse unto Eve and her descendants."
God: "Nah, let them keep that. Serves as incentive to get a morning after pill instead of springing the 'guess who's a dad' talk on a guy. Bloody women..."
Gabriel: *flips a few pages in a tome* "Actually, Lord, those pills won't be invented for another two thousand years, according to your Plan."
God: "Really?"
Gabriels: "Yes, Lord. it's right here under 'Early Signs Of The Apocalypse', between thermonuclear bombs, HIV and lolcats."
God: "I planned that two thousand years in advance?"
Gabriel: "Six thousand at the time, Lord."
God: "Right. Anyway, off you go. Get that bride sorted out."


ACT II

(A decade and a half later.)
Gabriel: "Lord, your teenage bride is ready. Exactly what kind of a marriage ceremony did you have in mind?"
God: "Wait... what? I'm not ready to get hitched. I'm still young!"
Gabriel: "Your will is command, of course. So should I scrap this plan?"
God: "Wait, no, then I'll never hear the end of that gay talk. How about you marry her to someone else and I just have a one night stand with her?"
Gabriel: "As you wish, Lord. We'll marry her to this Joseph guy, her brother-in-law, since her sister, his wife, just died."
God: "Good."
Gabriel: "So, anyway, we should probably tell her in advance when you want to go have your affair with her."
God: "Wait... must I go down and sleep with her?"
Gabriel: "I would assume so, Lord. That was the plan, wasn't it?"
God: "Ugh... no, wait... you go get her pregnant."
Gabriel: "Lord, as you surely realize, then first of all you forbade us angels to do that any more, since the giants and flood business..."
God: "I did?"
Gabriel: "Yes, Lord. And second, wouldn't it then be my child, not yours?"
God: "Hmm... I know, give me 5 minutes alone with a cup and a porn magazine, and I'll give you something to get her pregnant with."
*God walks away whistling*
Gabriel: "Right... TOTALLY not gay..."
 
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