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Debris removal specialist: Richard riggs saw melted beams, molten steel

little grey rabbit said:
That's the nature of the beast that you yourself have created.

Its really the same with the Hoax (Holocaust). Hoaxsters feel obliged to defend everything....human soap, human hair socks, packing 2000 into a gas chamber, flames coming out of chimneys.

Because once you allow the possibility that ANYTHING has been faked, it fatally destroys confidence in the rest of the corpus.
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You really need to open a box of reality....actually do us all a favor and open up a bottle of shut up juice instead....
 
AndrewBurley said:
CompusMentus said:
Yes! There we have it. A New Trutherist Concept. Molten (Solidified) Steel.

Compus
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Whats strange about that?
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I would ask, what's new about it? We've had impossible accounts of diggers pulling molten steel beams out of the rubble pile for years now, and truthers still seem curiously unable to comprehend what's wrong with that picture.

Dave
 
little grey rabbit said:
That's the nature of the beast that you yourself have created.

Its really the same with the Hoax (Holocaust). Hoaxsters feel obliged to defend everything....human soap, human hair socks, packing 2000 into a gas chamber, flames coming out of chimneys.

Because once you allow the possibility that ANYTHING has been faked, it fatally destroys confidence in the rest of the corpus.
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You can allow the possibility of faking, you just have to provide evidence for it.

This is the hurdle that holocaust deniers, truthers and other CTs fall at.
 
Dave Rogers said:
I would ask, what's new about it? We've had impossible accounts of diggers pulling molten steel beams out of the rubble pile for years now, and truthers still seem curiously unable to comprehend what's wrong with that picture.

Dave
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Why is the debris removal specialist saying what he is saying?
 
Marokkaan said:
What about this? Is he lying?:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI
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He's talking about it ... but I have not seen any pictures of anything resembling melted and recooled puddles. That is the engineering definition of "molten" ... liquified by heat and still liquid.

He may be using the word "molten" to mean "glowing red". That is one of the two definitions of it.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/molten
Definition of MOLTEN
1 obsolete : made by melting and casting
2: fused or liquefied by heat : melted <molten lava>
3: having warmth or brilliance : glowing

You can acquire definition #3 with nothing more than a wood fire and an improvised bellows as shown here, men forging blades with a wood fire.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KAaz35v7DiE/TVZmnPp_C9I/AAAAAAAAAMw/kdWKmarUxB4/s1600/Jean%27s+020.JPG

Farriers do it all the time:
http://www.beachlakestables.com/Images/Farrier-2-725.jpg
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-628...-photo-we-can-see-the-human-hand-holding.html
 
TsuDhoNimh said:
He's talking about it ... but I have not seen any pictures of anything resembling melted and recooled puddles. That is the engineering definition of "molten" ... liquified by heat and still liquid.

He may be using the word "molten" to mean "glowing red". That is one of the two definitions of it.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/molten
Definition of MOLTEN
1 obsolete : made by melting and casting
2: fused or liquefied by heat : melted <molten lava>
3: having warmth or brilliance : glowing

You can acquire definition #3 with nothing more than a wood fire and an improvised bellows as shown here, men forging blades with a wood fire.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KAaz35v7DiE/TVZmnPp_C9I/AAAAAAAAAMw/kdWKmarUxB4/s1600/Jean%27s+020.JPG

Farriers do it all the time:
http://www.beachlakestables.com/Images/Farrier-2-725.jpg
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-628...-photo-we-can-see-the-human-hand-holding.html
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Is it a case of 'pictures or it didn't happen'? If so, 'truthers' could have a field day with that.
 
bill smith said:
We completely accept what he said as gospel. You doubt him, so you ask. Otherwise his statement of having personally observed molten steel stands.
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I have a feeling he might not have said exactly what you think he did. Truther tactic bill. Quote mine, twist and outright lie about it to get your desired result. Is he a truther by the way? Or just some unfortunate person you realize you can use?
 
Dash80 said:
I have a feeling he might not have said exactly what you think he did. Truther tactic bill. Quote mine, twist and outright lie about it to get your desired result. Is he a truther by the way? Or just some unfortunate person you realize you can use?
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He says there was molten metal dug out. How can we really twist or manipulate that? He was there and has the relevant expertise and said this in November 2001, before molten metal was ever mentioned as part of any conspiracy. WHy have you had a 'feeling'? Haven't you watched the video?
 
Wait. First it was molten steel, and now you're talking about molten metal.

Which is it, Andrew?
 
And what, exactly, are they digging up this molten 'steel' with?
 
Dash80 said:
I think you'd understand our reluctance to waste time on a you tube video. You spam these videos around a lot, same old garbage. Are you hoping if you throw enough BS around that some of it will eventually stick?
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Truthers believe that a large enough quantity of baseless speculation will alchemize into a small number of facts.
 
AndrewBurley said:
He says there was molten metal dug out. How can we really twist or manipulate that? He was there and has the relevant expertise and said this in November 2001, before molten metal was ever mentioned as part of any conspiracy. WHy have you had a 'feeling'? Haven't you watched the video?
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Yes I have. Notice he doesn't even say he saw this himself. Also he doesn't appear to think it's suspicious. He gives his opinion on the conditions deep beneath the rubble. Honestly you should contact the guy and ask for some clarification instead of jumping on a youtube video less than a minute long, with one quote in it. Ask the guy exactly what was down there and exactly what he thinks caused it.
 
AndrewBurley said:
Why is the debris removal specialist saying what he is saying?
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Probably because he's a human being, using language in an imprecise way. We know that he cannot possibly have dug molten steel out from the rubble pile, because it's a physical impossibility. We know, therefore, that when he said that, he meant something other than that he removed steel that was still in the liquid state from the rubble pile. You could speculate, or claim that what he meant must necessarily have been exactly what we want it to mean, but this would be to abandon him as a source of evidence and simply make up the evidence you want.

The question is, of course, why you want that evidence to exist. Molten steel in the rubble pile weeks after the collapses is impossible to explain coherently as a result of thermite. Oh, I know truthers like to point out that thermite makes things hot enough to melt steel, and that molten steel is therefore evidence of thermite; but it's not that simple. Thermite makes things hot enough to melt steel for a few seconds; it can't possibly maintain that heat for a matter of weeks. If you're looking for something that's better explained by the conspiracy theory than by what actually happened, this isn't it.

Dave
 
AndrewBurley said:
He may have meant previously molten steel. That is, steel that had formed a liquid pool but then cooled and solidified again.
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so now you realize he "may have meant".........and what do you think cutting torches make? there were thousands of steel beams being cut to be able to remove them, some inches thick.

And yes we should check out the video before commenting but they are always woo.....without exception to date.........so............
 
little grey rabbit said:
That's the nature of the beast that you yourself have created.

Its really the same with the Hoax (Holocaust). Hoaxsters feel obliged to defend everything....human soap, human hair socks, packing 2000 into a gas chamber, flames coming out of chimneys.

Because once you allow the possibility that ANYTHING has been faked, it fatally destroys confidence in the rest of the corpus.
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Ah. That's your "out". The fabled woo woo circuit breaker. All you have to do is consider the possibility that something was faked, even if it wasn't, and you get to hand wave away or totally ignore the rest of the corpus, which just may be contrary to your position.

Debate mojo at its finest.
 
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