Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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I think Emil Scheisser might be a fraud guy.

Garrison said:
None of the things you have described, assuming any of them had any merit, provide any reason to hoax the Apollo landings, if anything they would just provide extra incentive to put men on the spot, especially given the problems the Soviets had with their remotely controlled efforts.

Oh and don't worry about forgetting me, I mean you've forgotten to answer any number of questions asked of you so why would I expect you to be any better with names?
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I think Emil Scheisser might be a fraud guy, a guy in on the hoax. Who do you think is responsible for the fake telemetry Garrison?
 
Patrick1000 said:
But we have proof that they did hoax the landings. The telemetry is fraudulent. As such is the case, we assume manned missions were not feasible. Also, even if they were, the goal is instrumenting the moon, why risk the men? Anyway, we know they are not manned, the telemetry is bogus. We have already proven that. "We" meaning my friends and I have proven it. I am not counting you guys on the other side.
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Which one of "you" posts the chess quotes?
 
Patrick1000 said:
Check the numbers for yourself. It is fun Garrison. My oh my did they botch this. Just some simple algebra too, all one needs. Amazing what these guys thought they could get away with.
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Two hypotheses:

NASA fooled every astronomer, professional and amateur, in the world, plus geologists, rocket engineers, hostile foreign governments, and radio hams but you Patrick1000 have seen through this all, though no one it appears agrees with your interpretation of the data, or even that your data is valid.

Alternately:

You Patrick1000 suck at maths, physics, geology, medicine and history and thus have no clue what you are talking about.

See if you can guess which one I think is more plausible...
 
As I was saying, we planted an awful lot more than simple LRRRs.

SUSpilot said:
No, I don't think they used the Saturn V to just put a "teensy weeny little ol' mirror" on the moon, you blithering idiot! I think it was used for some man-rating tests, then it was used for 9 manned lunar missions, one Earth orbit mission, and to launch Skylab. Then, sadly, it was retired.

The reason I'm reacting so strongly is I only just now realized that your post that I quoted seems to imply that I suddenly believed that the only reason we went to the moon was to plant the LRRR's.
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As I was saying, we planted an awful lot more than simple LRRRs. Armstrong and company wouldn't tell such glaring and risky lies, a la the "we didn't see any stars jive" if there wasn't a heck of a lot at stake. To tell a fib so patently identifiable as such, means a lot more was at stake than people discovering what LRRRs could and could not be used for. Yes indeed, there is a lot more up there than a simple vanity.
 
Please Garrison, take a shot at my #2367

Garrison said:
Yes they are, and I can help you locate them. Go find a mirror, look in it, and lo and behold you've found your culprit!
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Please Garrison, take a shot at my #2367. Please show us where I made anything up there and debunk my claim. The telemetry is fraudulent. Show us big shot that it is not. You have all year. We'll wait for you here.
 
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Patrick1000 said:
As I was saying, we planted an awful lot more than simple LRRRs. Armstrong and company wouldn't tell such glaring and risky lies, a la the "we didn't see any stars jive" if there wasn't a heck of a lot at stake. To tell a fib so patently identifiable as such, means a lot more was at stake than people discovering what LRRRs could and could not be used for. Yes indeed, there is a lot more up there than a simple vanity.
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Dear Patrick1000 (or may I call you PattyKayk, as a term of endearment?)

Reply to post 2079, puh-leeeeease! It should take you less lines than the one above, and you don't have to search for quotes or pretty piccies or anything because I simply want your understanding IN YOUR OWN WORDS. That is all!

What could be easier? What else could take so little of your precious time? Why should I be more patient? (No, don't answer any of those, just answer post 2079.)
 
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Patrick1000 said:
Please Garrison, take a shot at my #2367. Please show us where I made anything up there and debunk my claim. The telemetry is fraudulent. Show us big shot that it is not. You have all year. We'll wait for you here.
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It's been explained repeatedly to you (that's you singular not we plural) why your nonsense is nonsense.

How about you address the myriad flaws in your arguments that have been pointed out to you, then you might, might, get taken seriously?
 
Patrick1000 said:
Check the numbers for yourself. It is fun Garrison. My oh my did they botch this. Just some simple algebra too, all one needs. Amazing what these guys thought they could get away with.
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So they were trying to fool the entire world, and a little high school algebra "blunder" (noticed by an anonymous internet poster) proves the hoax?

Listen up...You might be that stupid, but don't assume the rest of us are.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Please Garrison, take a shot at my #2367. Please show us where I made anything up there and debunk my claim. The telemetry is fraudulent. Show us big shot that it is not. You have all year. We'll wait for you here.
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Um...patrick...you are exposing your ignorance again...

The Apollo missions are established fact in the historical record.

We don't have to prove a god damn thing to you.

Address the images coward.
 
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