Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[Erock]

Mummy,why did you lock that book up that you were reading to us out of up for?

http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxprepos.html

"The Guinness Book of (World) Records used to have a category
for "most prepositions at end". The incumbent record was a sentence
put into the mouth of a boy who didn't want to be read excerpts from
a book about Australia as a bedtime story: "What did you bring that
book that I don't want to be read to from out of about 'Down Under'
up for?" Mark Brader (xxxxxxx@sq.com -- all this is to the best of his
recollection; he didn't save the letter, and doesn't have access to
the British editions) wrote to Guinness, asking: "What did you say
that the sentence with the most prepositions at the end was 'What
did you bring that book that I don't want to be read to from out of
about "Down Under" up for?' for? The preceding sentence has one
more." Norris McWhirter replied, promising to include this
improvement in the next British edition; but actually it seems that
Guinness, no doubt eventually realising that this could be done
recursively, dropped the category."

 

[SUSpilot]

P1k has painted himsel into a corner, let him live in it.

@abaddon: No offense taken at your edit and I appreciate the comment. I am annoyed with myself that I didn't anticipate the result at 2250. My goal, as a literate layman, was to show him that his house of cards was clearly untenable even to someone like me that is not well-versed in all of the disciplines* that everyone else is here and on the other forums.

I don't know if my post caused him to cave, but I do predict, with a gut feeling probability of about 80%, that when he sees this post (he cannot resist looking), he'll come back with a "I didn't cave, I'm just weary of trying to educate all of you"-type post.
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*Now, if you want to talk to me about learning to fly/teaching people to fly, steam locomotives, or modern railroad operations, I can go for months. And even reasonably discuss differences of opinions on those subjects, 'cause, after years of experience in those areas, I know I don't know it all...

 

[dafydd]

http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxprepos.html

"The Guinness Book of (World) Records used to have a category
for "most prepositions at end". The incumbent record was a sentence
put into the mouth of a boy who didn't want to be read excerpts from
a book about Australia as a bedtime story: "What did you bring that
book that I don't want to be read to from out of about 'Down Under'
up for?" Mark Brader (xxxxxxx@sq.com -- all this is to the best of his
recollection; he didn't save the letter, and doesn't have access to
the British editions) wrote to Guinness, asking: "What did you say
that the sentence with the most prepositions at the end was 'What
did you bring that book that I don't want to be read to from out of
about "Down Under" up for?' for? The preceding sentence has one
more." Norris McWhirter replied, promising to include this
improvement in the next British edition; but actually it seems that
Guinness, no doubt eventually realising that this could be done
recursively, dropped the category."

Thank you!

 

[CptColumbo]

On a side note, there appears to be forces at work preventing me from seeing the movie Apollo 18. First I had car trouble on the way there and had to delay a day to get the car fixed. When I finaly got there the sound system didn't work in the theater and we were given passes to come back another day. Last night my date called with an emergency and couldn't make it. What is NASA trying to hide?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

On a side note, there appears to be forces at work preventing me from seeing the movie Apollo 18. First I had car trouble on the way there and had to delay a day to get the car fixed. When I finaly got there the sound system didn't work in the theater and we were given passes to come back another day. Last night my date called with an emergency and couldn't make it. What is NASA trying to hide?

Or, more interestingly, how many people would have to be in on the coverup? Someone had to tamper with your car, others with the sound system, others still to arrange the emergency... Plus, of course they had to know that there was some aspect of the movie which they couldn't allow you specifically to see. You must have some dangerous knowledge, the significance of which you are so far unaware of. This conspiracy is starting to look huge. We need an expert to research it.

 

[drewid]

@abaddon: No offense taken at your edit and I appreciate the comment. I am annoyed with myself that I didn't anticipate the result at 2250. My goal, as a literate layman, was to show him that his house of cards was clearly untenable even to someone like me that is not well-versed in all of the disciplines* that everyone else is here and on the other forums.

I don't know if my post caused him to cave, but I do predict, with a gut feeling probability of about 80%, that when he sees this post (he cannot resist looking), he'll come back with a "I didn't cave, I'm just weary of trying to educate all of you"-type post.
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*Now, if you want to talk to me about learning to fly/teaching people to fly, steam locomotives, or modern railroad operations, I can go for months. And even reasonably discuss differences of opinions on those subjects, 'cause, after years of experience in those areas, I know I don't know it all...

I think it was just a whole bunch of posts demonstrating general cluelessness. The Patrick1000 persona is now heavily linked with getting stuff demonstrably wrong. Time for a new one.

 

[Agatha]

On second thoughts, I'll just use the reporting function.

 

[phunk]

The personal at Lick Observatory wore glasses to protect their eyes from reflected light, and even then , only would view any reflected light through a tv monitor out of concern for their eye safety.

Complete nonsense. The return signal was 1/100000000000000000 of the intensity of the pulse sent to the moon. That's not hyperbole, that's the actual number. The only reason to wear safety glasses is to protect against local reflections, the return signal was not visible to the naked eye.


ETA: The return signal was so weak that they could count the individual photons.

 

[TjW]

http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxprepos.html

"The Guinness Book of (World) Records used to have a category
for "most prepositions at end". The incumbent record was a sentence
put into the mouth of a boy who didn't want to be read excerpts from
a book about Australia as a bedtime story: "What did you bring that
book that I don't want to be read to from out of about 'Down Under'
up for?" Mark Brader (xxxxxxx@sq.com -- all this is to the best of his
recollection; he didn't save the letter, and doesn't have access to
the British editions) wrote to Guinness, asking: "What did you say
that the sentence with the most prepositions at the end was 'What
did you bring that book that I don't want to be read to from out of
about "Down Under" up for?' for? The preceding sentence has one
more." Norris McWhirter replied, promising to include this
improvement in the next British edition; but actually it seems that
Guinness, no doubt eventually realising that this could be done
recursively, dropped the category."

I suppose the book could have been about Australian geese: "Down Down Under".
Or, diving is a popular sport: "Down, Down, Down Down Under"

 

[Buckaroo]

On a side note, there appears to be forces at work preventing me from seeing the movie Apollo 18. First I had car trouble on the way there and had to delay a day to get the car fixed. When I finaly got there the sound system didn't work in the theater and we were given passes to come back another day. Last night my date called with an emergency and couldn't make it. What is NASA trying to hide?

Good thing, too. The movie was TERRIBLE. And not in a good way. It was a boring, inchoherent mess., and a total waste of a potentially fun premise.

 

[Wolrab]

Would someone please post the new photos so the good Docto....I can't do it. Nice big clear photos of the landing sites, please.

 

[sts60]

Would someone please post the new photos so the good Docto....I can't do it. Nice big clear photos of the landing sites, please.

Here ya go.

On a side note, going back to poor old rocky/davidc/FatFreddy posting stuff how NASA has no images of stars seen from space, here's another nice nighttime image taken from the ISS, this time of the India-Pakistan border, complete with stars and airglow. You know, just another astronaut taking another picture of stars.

 

[CptColumbo]

Good thing, too. The movie was TERRIBLE. And not in a good way. It was a boring, inchoherent mess., and a total waste of a potentially fun premise.

Despite what you've written, I'm still going to see it. I'm a big fan of the "found-footage" horror genre and I have a date to complete.

I'M SO LONELY!

 

[Wolrab]

Thank you, but what I meant was the picture itself, not a link. Just in case Pat doesn't have the internet where he is the next time he posts.

 

[dafydd]

Thank you, but what I meant was the picture itself, not a link. Just in case Pat doesn't have the internet where he is the next time he posts.

It doesn't matter in which far-flung outpost of the world our globetrotting genius finds himself in,he can always post without the internet and Google.

 

[matt.tansy]

The personal at Lick Observatory wore glasses to protect their eyes from reflected light, and even then , only would view any reflected light through a tv monitor out of concern for their eye safety.

Oh, so that explains those millions of cases of scorched retinas reported by hospitals on July 20, 1969.


P.S. Stundied.

 

[R.A.F.]

Blah, blah, blah...

Is it your intention to completely ignore the new LRO images?

 

[dafydd]

Is it your intention to completely ignore the new LRO images?

Yes. Young Pat has left the building with his tail between his legs,all his points have been thoroughly trashed. A victory for sanity.

 

[Patrick1000]

Apollo's Deep and True Nature

What was Apollo? Well, Apollo most certainly was not an unmanned civilian NASA administered program to peacefully explore Mother Earth's closest luminary.

Apollo was an unmanned program. Under the pretense of a nonmilitary program of exploration and scientific investigation, Apollo sought to, and presumably succeeded in, instrumenting the moon with ranging and signaling equipment for military purposes.

Just as Surveyor VII successfully soft landed in January of 1968, so did other satellites soft land at various sites on the moon's surface including Tranquility Base. These satellites were equipped with devices such as LRRRs so that the moon could be ranged and gravity studied. With these stdies, the Gaussian gravitational constant, and coefficients j and K could be determined. The latter two elements, j and K, imprtant in determining with precision the 2nd and 4th harmonics of the Earth's potential. Very precise Guassian Gravitational constant, j and K determinations were essential in the determination of ICBM trajectories. The earth's rotation could be accurately measured, with astonishing and unprecidented precision. As ICBM targeting would invove Coriolis Effect considerations, such rotational speed measurements would have great relevance in the accurate targeting of missiles. As previously mentioned, the oceans could be ranged and distances across the face of the planet could be measured with unprecedented precision , again with the intent of using such measurements for military purposes such as in the targeting of ICBMs.

Undoubtedly, when these unmanned satellites soft landed with their LRRRs , they were equipped as well with cameras and nonvisible laser light emitters. Such devices were/are used for determining the precise position of objects on the earth's surface, and perhaps even targeting objects with non visible laser light.

Apollo was an unmanned program that sought to, and succeeded in, instrumenting the moon with ranging equipment and equipment capable of precisely determining the position of objects upon the surface of the Earth and conceivably trageting objects as well.

The moon is so far away, this military satellite can never be "taken out".

Now we understand well LUNA 15's interest in the "location of Apollo 11".

Also, the location of the placement of the various devices by "NASA" upon the lunar surface almost certainly would not coincide with the coordinates of the Apollo Mission "landing sites" as officially reported. In other words, there most certainly is an LRRR at 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east. But there undoubtedly is "NASA equipment" at undisclosed locations upon the surface of the moon.

The Apollo Missions were "covers" to launch and land this ranging/locating/targeting equipment upon the moon. The equipment was launched, and no one knew, publicly anyway( privately, the Russians of course knew what we were up to), what was being done. Equipment for ranging/targeting/locating, not astronauts, were placed upon the moon. When the quipment compliment was complete, Apollo was conveniently unfunded, and in 3 short years, the US had what it wanted; the means to more effectively determine ICBM trajectories so the missiles would find their targets, a way to precisely locate objects upon the surface of the earth, and a way to mark objects with non visible laser light for targeting. The moon is so far away, if the equipment coordinates remain secret, the equipment can never be taken out, elliminated by a military hit from the other side.

"The Apollo debate" at root is not about rocks and photos, it is about lasers, millitary satellites, including the moon as satellite, and ICBMs. The official story group could almost not care less about the rocks and photos, so what if they really are "fake", they do not care, as long as HB type write about that. But once the debate turns to the real deal, ICBMs, satellites, lasers, well that is a different story. Rocks and photos are a diversion. Who cares?! We on the HB side should now be turning our attention to these more imortant issues.

The photos are important, but not in the ways previously discussed.

 

[matt.tansy]

The equipment was launched, and no one knew, publicly anyway( privately, the Russians of course knew what we were up to), what was being done.

I was wondering when he'd run down the "Everybody was in on it" rabbit hole.

I've already Stundied him today; it's somebody else's turn.