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Here are two playlists for my YouTube videos rebutting Gage's claims (Twin Towers and Building 7) and a link to my brand new skeptic.com article.

The two playlists for YouTube:
Section 1 Twin Towers (2 hours 9 minutes total) http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL92DAE5DE3C22CF4F&feature=viewall
Section 2 Building 7 (1 hour 35 minutes total) http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDD5BD81A636031A5&feature=viewall

Skeptic.com article: 9/7/11 http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/

I'll be responding to comments on my Blueprint for Truth Gage rebuttal thread.
 
Here are two playlists for my YouTube videos rebutting Gage's claims (Twin Towers and Building 7) and a link to my brand new skeptic.com article.

The two playlists for YouTube:
Section 1 Twin Towers (2 hours 9 minutes total) http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL92DAE5DE3C22CF4F&feature=viewall
Section 2 Building 7 (1 hour 35 minutes total) http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDD5BD81A636031A5&feature=viewall

Skeptic.com article: 9/7/11 http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/

I'll be responding to comments on my Blueprint for Truth Gage rebuttal thread.

Did you ever run that idea past the 'Skeptic' magazine editor about putting the 9/11 issue online free in the hopes of increasing sales later Chris ?
 
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Excellent post atavisms.

As expected, no serious attempt was made to refute your points.

MM

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What is a Masochistic Lie?

The phenomenon described above comes up often enough, especially in the claims and writings of 9/11 conspiracism, that I want to give it a name and try to understand it more deeply. I hereby define:

Masochistic Lie (n.) A lie that has absolutely no possibility of being believed, due to contradicting the immediate and direct experience of the person to whom it's addressed.

A Masochistic Lie is not merely a transparent lie. A transparent lie might be illustrated by, say, Billy in a Family Circus cartoon saying "I didn't eat that cake" with chocolate cake smeared all around his mouth. In that case there is clear evidence that weighs strongly against the lie, but there is no absolute certainty. Perhaps a wild animal entered the house, ate the cake, and subsequently escaped leaving no other trace, while Billy innocently smeared his mouth by eating a chocolate bar.

A Masochistic Lie would be more like Billy saying "I'm not holding a piece of cake" while holding a piece of cake.

[...]

Respectfully,
Myriad

Excellent post atavisms.

As expected, no serious attempt was made to refute your points.

MM

Just sayin'.

Dave
 
Excellent post atavisms.

As expected, no serious attempt was made to refute your points.

MM

Well I for a start proved he was wrong about landfill fires not existing. He didnt say that though of course, because he has no idea what landfill are and thinks only thermite can explain the heat at ground zero.
 
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I know it seems idiotic ... Only tons of thermite can explain that the fires would not go out despite continuous water being poured on top of them. ... Peace

It is idiotic, because no tons of thermite product were found, call iron, there was no iron found at the WTC. You lost this argument, but please pick up the next failed claim by 911 truth and repeat it without thinking about it. Be all you can be. Peace, you must be real relaxed because repeating lies take zero effort.

The best part of your failure, office contents, 220 acres of contents from the WTC towers are more heat energy than your tons of Thermite. Your thermite claim comes with no numbers, no energy explained, just a big lie you like because you can't do the math, you can't do the rational research to cure your delusions. When is your next SPAM attack of evidence free failed 911 truth claims coming?
 
Is that the one where they all signed up to having agreed with the blatant lie that WTC7 collapsed in seven seconds?

Dave

pls watch this and then maybe you can stop talking nonsense.
WTC7: NIST Finally Admits Freefall (Part III)
http://www.youtube.com/user/DavidChandler911#p/u/4/v3mudruFzNw


Read my other 9/11 posts and the facts and material they link to.

If you still think its all just 'conspiracy theories' thats fine but at least you wont go around making nonsensical posts like the one above

cheers
 
If you still think its all just 'conspiracy theories' thats fine but at least you wont go around making nonsensical posts like the one above

cheers

Would you mind explaining in your own words what is nonsensical about calling the 7 second collapse claim stupid and foolish?

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Did I mention how awesome I look in that picture?
 
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Would you mind explaining in your own words what is nonsensical about calling the 7 second collapse claim stupid and foolish?

No fair! Expecting a truther to answer without using yootoob. They have no words of their own.
 
It is idiotic, because no tons of thermite product were found, call iron, there was no iron found at the WTC. You lost this argument, but please pick up the next failed claim by 911 truth and repeat it without thinking about it. Be all you can be. Peace, you must be real relaxed because repeating lies take zero effort.

The best part of your failure, office contents, 220 acres of contents from the WTC towers are more heat energy than your tons of Thermite. Your thermite claim comes with no numbers, no energy explained, just a big lie you like because you can't do the math, you can't do the rational research to cure your delusions. When is your next SPAM attack of evidence free failed 911 truth claims coming?

U may be correct.
what u reckon cause this long list of astonishing anomalies?
 
I read this above and then had to laugh at the following statements below...

It's the molten STEEL comment that people have an issue with, not molten METAL.

It was steel. Highly tempered structural steel.

There is much evidence in another thread that Harrit's claims are incorrect.

and in many places besides that! Explained away as paint or primer usually.. the chain of custody is also regularly attacked. (both completely absurd)/ Paint is not highly energetic when ignited and will not leave elemental iron spheres in it's wake. Paint will not have the chemical signature of thermitic material. That simple.

Can you tell me what caused the "squibs" around the entire building at :06 in this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GNhEpHfgfI

looks like compressed air shooting out from all sides when the upper block impacts the lower one in what I now know was a gravity collapse.
We see a similar effect when the North Tower upper block first impacts the lower in tact 90% of the building.
Of course this is problematic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJf7pWVyvIw&feature=BFa&list=ULBnR4A4zb8B0&lf=like-suggest

The evidence for explosives in Manhattan on 9/11 does not come from one source alone but from many.

There were no chunks of concrete eh? Have a look at these photos. ALL powder right? http://www.stevespak.com/fires/manhattan/wtc6.html

I didnt say 'No Chunks of concrete' did i ?

I meant to convey these facts: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/groundzero.html
See all this dust? http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/surroundings.html

There were 110 floors per tower. Each had 4" of reinforced concrete in it. Thats a lot turned to power. The photos you show do not explain away these facts.
Think logically (those are take later on ground level) look at photos of ground zero and all of lower Manhattan immediately following the attack. They were covered inches thick in dust from 'river to river.'

And How explosive the events were: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

How can thermite be your explanation when thermite burns very quickly? How could thermite keep the fires going when it would have burned out a long time ago when it was consumed when it supposedly cut the columns?

It is not my explanation and nothing personal.
This is a good question and was among my first reactions on hearing about thermites. Let's separate what we know (we can verify independently through reputable sources) occurred that could be related.

- The buildings were massive. One foot under an acre square x 110 floors each
- Fires burned for 99 days underground (why underground would there be anyfire months later? makes no sense) much less the crazy temperatures and excessive heat are well documented. (nasa & bechtel). These temps also persisted at WTC 7.
- We can see the results of a massive thermitic reaction occurred just below the very point where the S Tower will fail just moments later then be subjected to the same explosive destruction sequence both underwent. NIST said tons of metal poured out. (they called it aluminum from the plane and building materials, Ive read battery acid. Please
Look yourself very carefully. Look at the color. and this is just one tiny point and among 2 dozen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbzdO0EPOGg
- Minute thermitic chips were found by scientists in every sample they tested:
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/thermitics_made_simple.html

a lot of themite with a lot of building material, molten concrete and steel to burn could conceivably burn for a long time. Underground. Underwater!
Do you have a more logical and satisfactory explanation in light of the evidence? And note, there may have been other types of explosives used that day. or different types of thermites to do different things, Perhaps aerosols too. We dont know for sure. This is about what we do know and can conclude based on the evidence.

and..w/re: WTC 7's implosion (I saw someone eLse say, Its wasnt freefall!) like that explains it/ Whether or not it was at freefall or 40% slower is an absurd argument in the face of data documenting it's freefall acceleration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mudruFzNw

peace

The question to deniers is, WHY would a building act in this manner: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ni0i2KZn9Hc
when the only times we have EVER! seen these features in such large over-designed structures was during planned implosions?

Along with why investigators fail to test for explosives. According to them "its foolish to look for what isnt there." -NIST spokesperson
Refuse to turn over the data used to create their WTC7 computer models?
 
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- Fires burned for 99 days underground (why underground would there be anyfire months later? makes no sense) much less the crazy temperatures and excessive heat are well documented. (nasa & bechtel). These temps also persisted at WTC 7.

1400 deg. F temps are not unusual. In fact, it's quite normal.

Do you know what a landfill fire is? That is esentially what GZ was.

It's somewhat difficult to put out a fire with a metric **** ton on crap in the way. Amazingly, a firefighter from FDNY invented a tool to use if the need ever arise again.

http://firechief.com/mag/firefighting_waterjet_technology_cuts/


Along with why investigators fail to test for explosives. According to them "its foolish to look for what isnt there." -NIST spokesperson

NIST is not tasked with determining the fires origins or cause. That would be FDNY. FDNY knows what started the fires, and know that explosives were eliminated. They were there.
 
- Fires burned for 99 days underground (why underground would there be anyfire months later? makes no sense) much less the crazy temperatures and excessive heat are well documented. (nasa & bechtel). These temps also persisted at WTC 7.


So... your explanation for this "anomaly" is that there was an absolutely unbelievable excess of thermite present in the towers? So much excess thermite that it took months to burn itself out? Did the perpetrators just not know how much thermite they would need and decided to pump the interior full of it "just to be safe"?

How does that even make sense to you?
 
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Yet you believe it.


No. You believe the undisputed facts reveal use of explosives. You're having a lot of trouble with the distinction between what you believe and what is real.


You're getting the details wrong. Of that paper's 9 co-authors, only 3 (Harrit, Farrer, and Farnsworth) listed a university as their affiliation. Harrit was an Associate Professor near retirement, Farrer a lab manager, Farnsworth a graduate student.


You are certain, but who is this "we" of whom you speak?


See above and below.


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Dave Rogers was not calling FEMA & NIST & the 9/11 Commission and the NY Times a pack of liars. For you to suggest that he was is a typical example of your distortions of the truth, which is a euphemism for your lies.

It should also be noted that FEMA, NIST, the 9/11 Commission, and the New York Times all disagree with your claims that the facts "clearly and definitively reveal the use of explosives" and that "we can be certain these were not gravity driven 'collapses.'" Citing them as though they support your claims is another example of your distortions of the truth, i.e. your lies.


So say you, but how would you know what it's like to examine the facts with an open mind?


Almost everyone acknowledges the likelihood that molten metal was present. Truthers, however, often commit a fallacy of equivocation by assuming the molten metal was molten steel. By acting as though the presence of molten metal is controversial, you give the impression that you don't understand the importance of the distinction between molten metal and molten steel.


As arguments from incredulity go, yours is quite weak because the things that amaze you seem quite likely to those who are better informed and educated than you. In particular, no one who is capable of calculating the gravitational potential energy of the towers would express the incredulity you have expressed above.


If you understood the thermite reaction, you'd realize that thermite would burn out pretty quickly, and that aluminum oxide is neither the only possible nor the most likely explanation for white smoke.


As Dave Rogers said, ridicule is about all that's left after you've proved yourself immune to rational discussion and continue to repeat lies.


Dave Rogers seems to be much more interested in the real truth than you are. I'm pretty sure you and he are not on the same side. Once again, you are failing to distinguish between what you believe and what is real.

nothing you mention here explains these anomalies.
The harrit paper speaks for itself as the intended debunkings do.

Wow, some people just will not see this! It's a fascinating look into the psyche of social dynamics and the media today/

There are no sides in a quest for truth. That is at the very heart of the scientific method. best/
 

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