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Merged New video! Architects and Engineers - Solving the Mystery of Building 7

Watch the Hoboken video. You can see them. I actually went back to look at WTC 7 and didn't see the chopper. Thought I had, but it's been a long time since I've looked at these videos.

I'm not wasting 30 minutes of my life. It's your claim, you back it up. Give me a time in the video where I can see these choppers.

I'll wait.

How long have you been debating "twoofers" and not run across nanothermite? Seriously...

Nanothermite is not an explosive, and doesn't go boom. Try again.

Would you care to address the rest of the post? Or are you going to shift those goalposts over there......~~~~>
 
I'm not saying it didn't hit.

I said...



I mean... you can watch it for yourself. At what point do you see debris hit WTC 7?

Right here.

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Right here.

[qimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0fa7339480af.jpg[/qimg]


That picture, along with this one make the deduction that debris did in fact impact WTC7—despite us not having direct, visual confirmation of the impact as it occured—quite reasonable. grndslm pointing to pictures or video and saying that it doesn't look like debris is in the act of impacting WTC7 seems rather a pointless activity.
 
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I'm not saying it didn't hit.

I said...

Ah, so you're not saying it didn't hit, just that we can't SEE it hit in the video.

I mean... you can watch it for yourself. At what point do you see debris hit WTC 7?

So if you don't see it hit, it only means you didn't see it hit--nothing more, nothing less. Quit trying to make it out to be a "hmmmmmmmm..." moment then. It did hit, of course, because we have that phrase you people who like to look at things in isolation don't understand: PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE
 
Wow..."normal office fires"?

'Normal' in this case means standard uncontrolled hydrocarbon fires. This is what the present official account postulates caused wtc 1&2 to be shredded to smithereens and wtc7 to fall in a manner completely consistent with a planned implosion.

Office furnishings, you know, metal desks, filing cabinets, chairs, papers, and carpets.

What you should look (that completely shows this cannot be true) are the recorded temps at the site..(see NASA and Bechtel readings -up to 2800f at the surface many days later, and even weeks later, temps that just completely belie the official account ) and the 99 day fires underground. (why would there be any fire under there.. the plane impacts were high up top)

What desks do you imagine were burning for 99 days while tons of water was being poured on them daily? FDNY poured so much water into ground zero that 'we are creating a lake in lower Manhattan.' -FDNY spokesman quoted in the NY Times. And still! they would not go out. Turns out thermite creates those super high temps and burns even under water.
 
Didn't I just point out that it wasn't the entire building that experienced the period of free fall?
Are you unable to calculate the distance of ZERO RESISTANCE before hitting the rubble? ... or are you unwilling??

Right here.

[qimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0fa7339480af.jpg[/qimg]
If a building collapses due to FIRE... would it eject debris laterally like that???

:eye-poppi
 
Are you unable to calculate the distance of ZERO RESISTANCE before hitting the rubble? ... or are you unwilling??


Unwilling. It's a red herring.

If a building collapses due to FIRE... would it eject debris laterally like that???

:eye-poppi


Oh, please... You can cut the feigned surprise. We know this isn't the first time you've seen the collapse of these buildings. Also, why do truthers keep forgetting physical damage caused by the plane impacts? Problems with long-term memory?

The answer to your question is "yes".

Counter questions: Would nanothermite do that? Could any explosive do that without being heard?
 
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Nanothermite is not an explosive, and doesn't go boom. Try again.
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apparently this is not the case. 'As is obvious from a review of the literature on energetic materials, thermite-based pyrotechnics can be engineered to have
explosive power similar to conventional high-explosives while providing greater energy density and much greater stability.' -qt from jim hoffman

http://multisearch.deepwebaccess.com/multisearch/result-list/fullRecord:explosive+thermite/
 
apparently this is not the case. 'As is obvious from a review of the literature on energetic materials, thermite-based pyrotechnics can be engineered to have
explosive power similar to conventional high-explosives while providing greater energy density and much greater stability.' -qt from jim hoffman

http://multisearch.deepwebaccess.com/multisearch/result-list/fullRecord:explosive+thermite/

Even if it exploded you cant fling heavy steel around quietly which is what the truth movemnet claim happened.

They also claim 8 floors the size of a city block were removed at the same time with Building 7, yet this happened again completely quietly.
 
Edx, another Master Poster, but a Sorry Listener....

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7535559&postcount=416

It's not just that they were "removed with explosives".

The fact that they offered ZERO resistance (from every side and every corner, at the same exact instant) is something that can't be shoved under the rug. It is unexplainable without explosives of "some sort". And by of "some sort", I mean: "including those less than 130 dB".
 
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It is unexplainable without explosives of "some sort".


Why? Have you or anyone else confirmed that in absolutely no natural collapse can these features be observed?

And by of "some sort", I mean: "including those less than 130 dB".


Can you tell us which explosives capable of cutting WTC7's support colums also produce a sound less than 130dB?
 
Edx, another Master Poster, but a Sorry Listener....

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7535559&postcount=416

It's not just that they were "removed with explosives".

The fact that they offered ZERO resistance (from every side and every corner, at the same exact instant) is something that can't be shoved under the rug. It is unexplainable without explosives of "some sort". And by of "some sort", I mean: "including those less than 130 dB".



UH thats wind genius.

Explosive demolition is DEAFENING and they do not try and remove entire floors at once, much less 8 foors at once "in the same exact instant".

Real explosive demolition is not powerfull enough to fling heavy steel around, yet is always easily picked up on video.

You have clearly have no idea how explosives or demolitions work or what they sound like.
 
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Can you tell us which explosives capable of cutting WTC7's support colums also produce a sound less than 130dB?


They dont claim that though, they claim 8 floors were vaporised like Star Trek all at the same exact instant.
 
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I'm not saying it didn't hit.

I mean... you can watch it for yourself. At what point do you see debris hit WTC 7 ?

it seems u'r saying two contradictory things. Or that it got hit but no one saw it. In fact FEMA took a series of photos clearly documenting the damage to the Southeast side of the building. And it shows substantial superficial damage that resulted from the incredibly violent destruction the Twin Towers were subjected to.

At 350 feet away, WTC7 was closest to the North Tower. That is the length of a football field and yet we are being asked to imagine that gravity caused such powerful lateral energy. Look at the debris fields, at the pulverized concrete and 1100 missing bodies. Gravity drive things straight down. (and stationary supported objects push back).

Massive falling objects may squash us like bugs but it cannot remove the ability to find any sample of our dna. This is the case with a third of all people missing in the Twin Towers! Even when they dropped a 500lb bomb on zarqawi, they sent int the usual dna recovery team to confirm the kill and found it.

Look at that massive approx 30 story upper block of the south tower we can see go way outside the footprint would have (if no explosives had been used) continued to fall right into the street, instead it rights itself and magically disappears into a massive dust cloud into the path of maximum resistance. In reality it would not have 'collapsed' in the first place. Because those MASSIVE corner BOX columns were all completely intact. No plane hit them. How is it they separated? and the the whole block fell through itself??

Occam would say 'explosives' bc that is the simplest explanation. The only other explanation is that the laws of physics were altered and that is not very likely, is it?

The much smaller (& so weaker) WTC6 stood between the North Tower and WTC7 right next to the NT and took the full brunt of its explosive debris full on...and yet, miraculously, it did not lose a single vertical column! How can this be? a reasonable person might ask. The thing was hollowed like a shell but there the perimeter columns stood intact until the frame was pulled down with cables at a later date.

The mostly superficial damage to the SE face of wtc 7 (despite how bad it is) obviously cannot account for it's going into symmetrical freefall. Neither can one column failing (no 79 as per NIST).

I know just how difficult this is to believe but remember, just bc something seems unlikely doesn't mean it isn't so. We must use the available evidence. And the evidence in the WTC attacks overwhelming points to pre-planted explosives.

peace
 
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it seems u'r saying two contradictory things. Or that it got but no one saw it. In fact FEMA took a series of photos clearly documenting the damage to the Southeast side of the building. And it shows substantial superficial damage that resulted from the incredibly violent destruction the Twin Towers were subjected to.

At 350 feet away, WTC7 was closest to the North Tower. That is the length of a football field and yet we are being asked to imagine that gravity caused such powerful lateral energy. Look at the debris fields, at the pulverized concrete and 1100 missing bodies. Gravity drive things straight down. and stationary supported object push back!

Massive falling objects may squash us like bugs but it cannot remove the ability to find any sample of our dna. This is the case with a third of all people missing in the Twin Towers! Even when they dropped a 500lb bomb on zarqawi, they sent int the usual dna recovery team to confirm the kill and found it.

Look at that massive approx 30 story upper block of the south tower we can see go way outside the footprint would have (if no explosives had been used) continued to fall right into the street, instead it rights itself and magically disappears into a massive dust cloud into the path of maximum resistance. In reality it would not have 'collapsed' in the first place. Because those MASSIVE corner BOX columns were all completely intact. No plane hit them. How is it they separated? and the the whole block fell through itself??

Occam would say 'explosives' bc that is the simplest explanation. The only other explanation is that the laws of physics were altered and that is not very likely, is it?

The much smaller (& so weaker) WTC6 stood between the North Tower and WTC7 right next to the NT and took all its explosive debris full on...and yet, miraculously, it did not lose a single vertical column! How can this be a reasonable person might ask? The thing was hollowed like a shell but there the perimeter columns stood intact until the frame was pulled down with cables.

The mostly superficial damage to the SE face of wtc 7 (despite how bad it is) obviously cannot account for it's going into symmetrical freefall. Neither can one column failing (no 79 as per NIST).

I know just how difficult this is to believe but remember, just bc something seems unlikely doesn't mean it isn't so. We must use the available evidence. And the evidence in the WTC attacks overwhelming points to pre-planted explosives.

peace

You are in the minority opinion on this. There is absolutely NO evidence of ANY explosive device in the WTC7. Pre-planted? Seriously? When would these explosives been planted? That day? The week before? When the building was built? I challenge you to supply any evidence that explosives were pre-planted or that ANY explosives were present that day in that building at all. So, what evidence points to pre-planted explosives?

On the other hand, there is ample evidence that the building was heavily damaged, and burned. In fact, the evidence in the WTC attacks overwhelmingly points AWAY from pre-planted explosives.
 
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