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Merged New video! Architects and Engineers - Solving the Mystery of Building 7

Master Poster and Master Deceiver.

But not a Master Problem-Solver.

One explosion does not a controlled demolition make... but it is something that you deniers have admitted NEVER happened. There are numerous videos that prove YOU are wrong.

Sure, you guys are really witty and can come up with a stream of 50 comments to hide this one, if it isn't deleted later... but I don't expect there is one single WITTY fellow [or gal] here that can answer this question: Why the explosion BEFORE the penthouse collapses?
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atavisms said:
WTC7's implosion is categorically impossible without the use of explosives. This building was 350' north of the North Tower and imploded in a manner consistent with a controlled demolition at the nearly freefall speed of 6.5 seconds.
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"[F]reefall speed of 6.5 seconds"? Two things: 1) free fall in this context is an acceleration, not a speed, and 2) seconds aren't a measure of speed (or acceleration).

Assuming that you simply have a below average ability to communicate your own thoughts effectively, I imagine what meant to say here was that "WTC7 experienced a period of free fall lasting 6.5 seconds." Unfortunately for you, even that's incorrect on two points: 1) it hasn't been claimed that the entire building experienced free fall; just the north face, and 2) it was for a period of 2.5 seconds, not 6.5.

I thought you said you studied this...
 
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I can't help but notice that in the first WTC7 clip, the alleged explosion is soft and short, but in the second clip, the alleged explosion is soft and long. Is that one of those inconsistencies that I'm supposed to ignore?

Also, regarding the first clip... It's well-known, but is that the original audio?
 
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grndslm said:
WTC7 explosion at 0:02 (right BEFORE the penthouse collapses)
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Puff of air on the microphone.

I know what those sound like, and what explosions sound like.

I'm curious. Who do you think is stupid enough to fall for the claim that that sound, not even as loud as a person talking quietly a distance away, is an explosion?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
"Heard Explosions" doesn't equal high explosives - "heard loud noise" would be the more exact description.

I once lived in area surrounded by huge eucalyptus trees, and in severe weather, one or more would come down - guess what? to these old EOD ears, it sounded like an explosion...but it sure wasn't.
 
Marokkaan said:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=57A4UlrsOLQ

Whoow whats happening here, a lot of people running away from wtc 7 because of explosions?
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That would be the first tower collapsing. The video was produced and narrated to impart a sense of drama and mystery. If the person who uploaded that video uploaded the entire thing, I'm sure you'd find that very soon after the portion available here this would be explained as the actual cause of the panic.
 
Define an "explosion".

If you're like the NIST, your definition of explosion is anything greater than 130 dB?

What TYPE of explosion are we referring to? Have we determined that TNT is the only possible explanation for explosives?

How loud does nanothermite get when laced in a skyscraper and timed to go off around the same instant??
 
grndslm said:
You no likey da text?? How about some videos?

WTC7 explosion at 0:02 (right BEFORE the penthouse collapses) -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3wZM47LxU&feature=share

Hoboken Eyewitness video confirms the SAME sound BEFORE all three collapse -- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4563604978641682920

That's the key. The timing is the key. Not the "adjusted volume" in the Hoboken video... but the timing. Do you understand?? Do you understand enough to explain WHAT the noise is, in a building that WASN'T hit by a plane. And why the noises BEFORE all three buildings collapse are IDENTICAL?? As well as the placement of military choppers overhead the buildings AS the buildings begin to collapse???

"To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth."
~ Voltaire.

Sure, you guys are really witty and can come up with a stream of 50 comments to hide this one, if it isn't deleted later... but I don't expect there is one single WITTY fellow [or gal] here that can answer this question: Why the explosion BEFORE the penthouse collapses?

Does your precious NIST report tell you what that noise is? Or does it say it rejected all noises less than 130 dB?? Hmm... selective hearing??
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Citation needed for the hilited portion.

Secondly, an explosion capable of cutting a core column in any of the WTC towers, would have been caught on MANY HUNDREDS of cameras. Even the one of Ashley Banfield (A news reporter), which was shot from MUCH closer, and no boom was heard. Selective sounds? I think not.

Could it have been an explosion? Sure.

Here's a list of things that go BOOM in a fire.

Let's see if you can eliminate any of these. (You should state your reasons why you've eliminated them)

Cleaning supplies
HVAC equipment, including compressors and condensors. (refridgerators and such)
Large motors like elevator lifts and such.
CRT type monitors (there would be THOUSANDS of these)
Electrical transformers
UPS supplies

(After the collapse)
SCOTT pack bottles from the hundreds of dead firefighters, and also from the dozens of apparatus that were destroyed in the collapse. (Including a bottle refil truck with a huge cascade system for refilling said SCOTT pack bottles)

Etc. etc. etc.

Now, please list any assumptions, and show your work. I eagerly await your analysis. You would be the first truther to EVER do so.
 
grndslm said:
What was the intensity of the fire(s) over that time?

Matter of fact... what started the fire?? Debris doesn't even look to be hitting WTC 7 at all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPF2E4vmf-8
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"doesn't even look to be hitting"? Well, there you have it. grndslm has decided by a youtube video that debris didn't hit wtc7, so I'm sold. Forget the eye witness accounts and the opinions of those who were actually there that day. grndslm says it didn't happen.

Some random guy on the interwebz has made a proclamation. Start the revolution!!1111!111

Oh, wait. Excuse me for WANTING A SECOND OPINION.
 
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grndslm said:
What was the intensity of the fire(s) over that time?

Matter of fact... what started the fire?? Debris doesn't even look to be hitting WTC 7 at all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPF2E4vmf-8
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Debris did in fact hit 7WTC. (Someone else can post the photo. I don't have it.)

Now, how much heat energy was released in the 7WTC fires?

By my calculations, I get about 100,000,000 joules of energy.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
"[F]reefall speed of 6.5 seconds"? Two things: 1) free fall in this context is an acceleration, not a speed, and 2) seconds aren't a measure of speed (or acceleration).

Assuming that you simply have a below average ability to communicate your own thoughts effectively, I imagine what meant to say here was that "WTC7 experienced a period of free fall lasting 6.5 seconds." Unfortunately for you, even that's incorrect on two points: 1) it hasn't been claimed that the entire building experienced free fall; just the north face, and 2) it was for a period of 2.5 seconds, not 6.5.

I thought you said you studied this...
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OK, Mr. Smartypants...

What distance did the building DROP before meeting the resistance of RUBBLE??
 
grndslm said:
Define an "explosion".
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You don't know? Well, there's one of your problems...

How loud does nanothermite get when laced in a skyscraper and timed to go off around the same instant??
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You tell me. It's your fantasy, after all. I will point out, however, that any explosive capable of cutting steel in an instant is going to be loud, regardless of the type. The thicker the steel to be cut, the more energy needed, the louder the boom.
 
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grndslm said:
It's not exactly the building(s)...

It's the explosions that take place immediately before the collapse...

WTC7 explosion at 0:02 (right BEFORE the penthouse collapses) -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3wZM47LxU&feature=share

Hoboken Eyewitness video confirms the SAME sound BEFORE all three collapse -- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4563604978641682920

That's the key. The timing is the key. Not the "adjusted volume" in the Hoboken video... but the timing. Do you understand?? Do you understand enough to explain WHAT the noise is, in a building that WASN'T hit by a plane. And why the noises BEFORE all three buildings collapse are IDENTICAL?? As well as the placement of military choppers overhead the buildings AS the buildings begin to collapse???

"To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth."
~ Voltaire.

Sure, you guys are really witty and can come up with a stream of 50 comments to hide this one, if it isn't deleted later... but I don't expect there is one single WITTY fellow [or gal] here that can answer this question: Why the explosion BEFORE the penthouse collapses?
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Citation needed for the hilited portion.

Secondly, an explosion capable of cutting a core column in any of the WTC towers, would have been caught on MANY HUNDREDS of cameras. Even the one of Ashley Banfield (A news reporter), which was shot from MUCH closer, and no boom was heard. Selective sounds? I think not.

Could it have been an explosion? Sure.

Here's a list of things that go BOOM in a fire.

Let's see if you can eliminate any of these. (You should state your reasons why you've eliminated them)

Cleaning supplies
HVAC equipment, including compressors and condensors. (refridgerators and such)
Large motors like elevator lifts and such.
CRT type monitors (there would be THOUSANDS of these)
Electrical transformers
UPS supplies

(After the collapse)
SCOTT pack bottles from the hundreds of dead firefighters, and also from the dozens of apparatus that were destroyed in the collapse. (Including a bottle refil truck with a huge cascade system for refilling said SCOTT pack bottles)

Etc. etc. etc.

Now, please list any assumptions, and show your work. I eagerly await your analysis. You would be the first truther to EVER do so.

BTW, Nice C&P from another thread. Do it too much, and it's spamming. Which, is against the MA.
 
triforcharity said:
Citation needed for the hilited portion.
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Watch the Hoboken video. You can see them. I actually went back to look at WTC 7 and didn't see the chopper. Thought I had, but it's been a long time since I've looked at these videos.

This is the full-length version that shows the choppers for the first two towers collapsing... (didn't realize I linked to the "made for TV" version earlier)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPF2E4vmf-8

triforcharity said:
Secondly, an explosion capable of cutting a core column in any of the WTC towers, would have been caught on MANY HUNDREDS of cameras. Even the one of Ashley Banfield (A news reporter), which was shot from MUCH closer, and no boom was heard. Selective sounds? I think not.

Could it have been an explosion? Sure.

Here's a list of things that go BOOM in a fire.

Let's see if you can eliminate any of these. (You should state your reasons why you've eliminated them)

Cleaning supplies
HVAC equipment, including compressors and condensors. (refridgerators and such)
Large motors like elevator lifts and such.
CRT type monitors (there would be THOUSANDS of these)
Electrical transformers
UPS supplies

(After the collapse)
SCOTT pack bottles from the hundreds of dead firefighters, and also from the dozens of apparatus that were destroyed in the collapse. (Including a bottle refil truck with a huge cascade system for refilling said SCOTT pack bottles)

Etc. etc. etc.

Now, please list any assumptions, and show your work. I eagerly await your analysis. You would be the first truther to EVER do so.
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How long have you been debating "twoofers" and not run across nanothermite? Seriously...
 
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triforcharity said:
Debris did in fact hit 7WTC. (Someone else can post the photo. I don't have it.)

Now, how much heat energy was released in the 7WTC fires?

By my calculations, I get about 100,000,000 joules of energy.
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I'm not saying it didn't hit.

I said...

grndslm said:
What was the intensity of the fire(s) over that time?

Matter of fact... what started the fire?? Debris doesn't even look to be hitting WTC 7 at all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPF2E4vmf-8
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I mean... you can watch it for yourself. At what point do you see debris hit WTC 7?
 
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