Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[Patrick1000]

Give it up!

Utter bovine excrement

Your desperation, your anxiety, is more than evident. Debunk the professors or drop out of this debate. The focus has narrowed. See ya'.

 

[abaddon]

How interesting abaddon! That is the best you have, criticizing a spelling error.

Sure, you can't spell or punctuate. This is a matter of fact that you have demonstrated over the course of this thread.

Are you afraid of facts?

Do I need to dredge up your various gaffes?

Do I need to explain why the forum has a spell checker?

I suggest you get busy contacting a few astronomers about this issue. No matter you will learn the same as I have, but wilkl allow you to bow out gracefully.

Been there, done that. They are right, you are wrong.

Over and out for a while.

No you are simply running away for a while, now that you have been pwned.

As I said to twinstead who is so enamored with the FACT of Apollo, what ever the FACTS, it was in part about blowing people up. so live with it abaddon. If I can, so can you.

Ciao!

Right, so facts don't matter to you, even though the FACTS have been ably demonstrated to you in this thread, by many.

 

[drewid]

Wrong question Pat.

If you have read the last couple of pages you will see we have already had someone else giving a bit more on how a single lunar reflector can be used to make Earth based maps more accurate.

So what?

It has no bearing on Apollo being a hoax or not. None, nada, zip.

 

[abaddon]

Your desperation, your anxiety, is more than evident. Debunk the professors or drop out of this debate. The focus has narrowed. See ya'.

I am neither desperate nor anxious.

You are providing entertainment to me. It's pretty funny.

ETA: that's not how apostrophes work.

 

[Patrick1000]

Not as advertised!

How exactly does this change the huge quantity of evidence that the missions happened as advertised? That huge amount of evidence basically means that there MUST be some other explanation for your "anomalies", because they CANNOT mean the missions were faked.

It's not as advertised. Apollo 11 , however it was done, was done to plant a big fat 10 megaton kiss on Nikita Krushchev's Commie lips.

 

[Patrick1000]

Good luck abaddon.

I am neither desperate nor anxious.

You are providing entertainment to me. It's pretty funny.

ETA: that's not how apostrophes work.

Good luck abaddon. I think we understand one another. Hope so. My point is that the people working on the LRRR experiment say Apollo was military, at least to a significant degree. You argue with them. for now, I am done. I am quite satisfied with their answers.

 

[nomuse]

I wrote to several of the scientists by way of email that were involved in the LRRR experiments early on. All contacted responded to me with the same answer. A quote from one of the professors;

"Very good maps and distances of Europe and the Americas existed, but the distance across the oceans were uncertain. The Lunar ranging tied the old and new continents together. Similarly, the map of Great Britain was tied to the map of Europe at the end of WW II by radar ranging across the English Channel."

I imagine that all but settles it. The LRRRs were part of a weapons system for targeting Russian objectives, at least when the "straight scientists" were not using them for non nefarious/non military reasons. These reflectors most certainly were not "passive", not passive in more ways than one.

You are welcome to contact the LRRR experimental scientists yourselves. Their names are in the SCIENCE articles I have already cited as references.

The other one has bells on it.

 

[drewid]

You mean you're satisfied with their interpretation of their answers.

Assuming you actually did write to them, whoever they are, given your past record it's rather doubtful.

 

[Patrick1000]

Maybe this will make you anxious

I am neither desperate nor anxious.

You are providing entertainment to me. It's pretty funny.

ETA: that's not how apostrophes work.

I will mention the details of one personal communication. Professor Wampler was kind and gracious enough to write back to me twice. In one of his communications he confirmed Remington Stone's account of went went on at the Lick Observatory on the evening of 07/20/1969. Professor Wampler says he was given the coordinates 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east, but thought he heard 50 instead of 15. He also wrote to me that the astronauts/NASA had a way of knowing where they were to an accuracy of tens of feet.

So Professor Wampler wrote to me himself and confirmed he was given Tranquility Base's exact coordinates. This was done many hours before the launch. All that time, the Eagle was said by the Mission Control staff, the astronauts and the PR people to have been lost, at least semi-lost.

Professor Wampler confirms Stone's account and therefore foreknowledge of Tranquility Base's coordinates. We may conclude with utter certainty in light of this, Apollo 11 was a military operation and given the foreknowledge confirmed by Professor Wampler hismself, a fraudulent operation.

Over and out.

 

[nomuse]

They placed reflectors by satellite?

Credibility meet toilet, again.

Maybe Patrick is trying to say the Luna series probes, specifically the Lunokhod robots. On the other hand, maybe he is just now noticing that ranging is better performed from satellite.

(His description of how mapping works makes me think he has some odd ideas...such as perhaps he thinks all distances within the US were worked out by guys rolling those little wheels along the ground. Who was the poster who remarked that his understanding is not just decades out of date, but roughly 2,000 years?)

 

[phunk]

I will not disclose the name of one person whom I contacted. For obvious reasons. I would like to carry on my communications with all of them. You are free to do the same. As implied above, you'll get the same answers I did, I am sure. So have at it.

In other words, you made that up.

 

[drewid]

So Professor Wampler wrote to me himself and confirmed he was given Tranquility Base's exact coordinates. This was done many hours before the launch. All that time, the Eagle was said by the Mission Control staff, the astronauts and the PR people to have been lost, at least semi-lost.

How can it have been lost before the launch?

 

[Patrick1000]

Give it up drewid

You mean you're satisfied with their interpretation of their answers.

Assuming you actually did write to them, whoever they are, given your past record it's rather doubtful.

Read my last post. I wrote to Wampler himself. And guess what? He is very smart, and confirmed EVERY THING I HAVE SUSPECTED!

Over and out!

 

[Patrick1000]

Haven't you been paying attention?

How can it have been lost before the launch?

Wampler had 00 41 15 north 23 26 00 east 10 days before NASA did. Welcome to my world drewid.

 

[drewid]

Before the launch?

 

[matt.tansy]

It's not as advertised. Apollo 11 , however it was done, was done to plant a big fat 10 megaton kiss on Nikita Krushchev's Commie lips.

Apollo 11 landed in 1969. Khrushchev was removed from power in 1964.

 

[frenat]

Read my last post. I wrote to Wampler himself. And guess what? He is very smart, and confirmed EVERY THING I HAVE SUSPECTED!

Over and out!

Voices in your head don't count. You've been caught in numerous lies already. Why should ANYONE believe anything you say?

 

[nomuse]

Let's start small abaddon. Why don't you begin by debunking the professors. They, the professors say, not PAtrick, the professors say, Apollo had military applications. And they say this for the explicit reason given above.

Prove them wrong, and leave me out of it big shot. If Apollo was other than you and NASA says, "utterly peaceful", then we on the HB side will be entitled to question the official story all the more and all the more and all the more.

So if you please abaddon, let's start small. Can you show the professors to be wrong? Can you prove to us all this was all peaceful as everyone at NASA and all of you say. Come on big shot, prove to me this wasn't about dropping a missile on the Kremlin. Have at it!

Why don't you give the public relations people at NASA a call for starters. I imagine they will be quite helpful when you inform them that a kooky person is writing that the Apollo 11 mission featured the placement of a weapons system piece upon the moon's surface and the kook claims a handful of astronomy professors who worked on the Apollo 11 LRRR project support his claim.

Cute, Patrick. How can you debunk a man when you don't know who he is or what he wrote?

Your chorus of phantom "professors I wrote to and they all agree with me" are completely un-debunkable, because they are completely invisible.

Meanwhile, poor little Patrick, despite his two degrees and all the reading he has done, can not figure out how bouncing a laser off a reflector on the Moon can actually be used to measure the distance between San Francisco and Vladisvostok. He really hasn't the faintest, and he has made not the slightest attempt to explain the principles in his own words.

 

[nomuse]

I will mention the details of one personal communication. Professor Wampler was kind and gracious enough to write back to me twice. In one of his communications he confirmed Remington Stone's account of went went on at the Lick Observatory on the evening of 07/20/1969. Professor Wampler says he was given the coordinates 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east, but thought he heard 50 instead of 15. He also wrote to me that the astronauts/NASA had a way of knowing where they were to an accuracy of tens of feet.

So Professor Wampler wrote to me himself and confirmed he was given Tranquility Base's exact coordinates. This was done many hours before the launch. All that time, the Eagle was said by the Mission Control staff, the astronauts and the PR people to have been lost, at least semi-lost.

Professor Wampler confirms Stone's account and therefore foreknowledge of Tranquility Base's coordinates. We may conclude with utter certainty in light of this, Apollo 11 was a military operation and given the foreknowledge confirmed by Professor Wampler hismself, a fraudulent operation.

Over and out.

What am I, a cephalapod? I've run out of legs to be pulled.

Reproduce Wampler's letter in full. Period. Full stop. Otherwise you are just making up garbage.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

How exactly does this change the huge quantity of evidence that the missions happened as advertised? That huge amount of evidence basically means that there MUST be some other explanation for your "anomalies", because they CANNOT mean the missions were faked.

annoyingly loud emphasis added


This is the most important part of questioning his abductive "reasoning" -- one must provide a cogent explanation for other events/phenomena observable by random outsiders.

The "random" outsiders part is very important -- any freshman geology student today could think up a premise involving the Apollo geology samples and work their way toward requesting the US Government to send them, personally, a chunk of Luna to study in any way shape or form, including destructive testing.

Every single piece of the moon brought "home" has been examined by professionals with relevant experience in geology -- and many have been studied in detail by geologists around the planet.

Every single one of the samples must be "explained" for any "hoax landing" theory to stand.

EVERY
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SINGLE
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ONE

Dr. Sox (the boy who mistook his ### for a hat) cannot provide cogent explanations for the samples.