Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

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As far as I know there are no further other reports of such large pieces that far away from the footprint. Why just that one piece ?
That part of the perimeter collapsed a little more slower than the other faces of the building.

Collapse did not procede uniformly, and it would thus be foolish to expect equal distribution of the debris on all sides.
 
He soldier!

-me?

yeah you with that ak47

-whats up

Can you help me

-sure

I have to know what will happen with the steel if i use thermate or nano-thermite. And i also want to know how i have to place explosive charges in a building, and also want to know how much decibels it will produce, when it will explode

- What the *#$&(#$?????

Ow ok never mind.
Marokkaan,

This is embarrassing. Why are you doing this? Please stop and let's just get back to the debate itself.
 
Chris Mohr,

The question about "the source of the energy" for the toppled tree was for you. it's instructive to understand where that energy came from when one gets into discussions of the energy required to "toss" large beams sideways.

It turns out that the source of the energy for the tree is ultimately the same: the energy required to lift heavy objects up high.

In the case of the tree, it was sunlight over hundreds of years.

For the WTC columns, oil for the generators that powered the hoists that built the buildings over the span of a couple of years in the 70s.

Once the objects have been lifted, then it takes very little energy for them to fall to the side by the amount that they were lifted.
Thanks TFK
 
That part of the perimeter collapsed a little more slower than the other faces of the building.

Collapse did not procede uniformly, and it would thus be foolish to expect equal distribution of the debris on all sides.

The collapsed building where the 4-ton chunk was found was the Winter Garden wasn't it ? Was it said that the chunk played a role in it's collapse ?
 
Was it said that the chunk played a role in it's collapse ?

Only to the extent that it was a package of potential energy waiting for the rest of the building to let go of it later in the collapse. Most of the action had passed its location by twenty or thirty floors before it fell away.
 
Only to the extent that it was a package of potential energy waiting for the rest of the building to let go of it later in the collapse. Most of the action had passed its location by twenty or thirty floors before it fell away.

When you say 'later in the collapse' do you mean that the Winter Garden was already collapsing ? Why would the Winter Garden be collapsing ?
 
I see in those images a bunch of colored lines & boxes added to a chaotic mess.

Gross patterns can emerge, even in the midst of chaos. So I think that, if someone were to put in a bunch of time, looking at lots of photos, then perhaps that effort might reveal some interesting patterns about how a building fell. (Not what caused it to fall, mind you...)

And then I see comments like these:
Originally Posted by Major_Tom
By using this technique along the south side of WTC2 as seen in the post before this one, a 110 story wall can be dropped very short before hitting the buildings just across the street.

This way ones own insurance money can be collected while lessening the damage of the buildings across the street.
[and]


Not much room, so the whole WTC2 south wall needed to be dropped short.

One way to do that may involve destroying the 74-78 MER belt and allowing the middle perimeter to fragment into smaller parts down to the 44th floor.
[emphasis added]

... and I think, "why bother?"

His whole effort is so laden with confirmation bias as to be utterly untrustworthy, and therefore worthless.

And, a significant point, even if he happens to be right about some aspect of it, he has cried "wolf" (or "inside job") so many times, that he's lost the minimal credibility it would take to convince me to waste the time.

Worse, it seems clear from some of his comments that he is going to back some of his "it was done deliberately for insurance & neighborliness reasons" into his analysis of how the building came apart. Thereby polluting those "observations" as well.

Funny that someone who "has come to no conclusions" & is "just looking at observables" has so blatantly concluded that the placement of this mess of debris was exquisitely, impossibly preplanned to "spare the neighbors any unnecessary discomfort".

Funny that the planning failed so miserably.

Thanks tfk, informative post. Another piece of the inside mihop puzzle.
 
Marokkaan,

This is embarrassing. Why are you doing this? Please stop and let's just get back to the debate itself.

:boggled: Why you dont comment the debunkers???

This is really sick, its just like a sect, all the debunkers are defending eachother:boggled:

Chris mohr, why you dont criticize tri for his respect to murderers rather then eric lawyer?

And the second, why do you ignore my reply to you?

I think im going to put you on ignore.
 
:boggled: Why you dont comment the debunkers???

This is really sick, its just like a sect, all the debunkers are defending eachother:boggled:

Chris mohr, why you dont criticize tri for his respect to murderers rather then eric lawyer?

And the second, why do you ignore my reply to you?

I think im going to put you on ignore.



Defending each other? You expect them to attack one another just to make you happy? You've repeatedly had your errors and false assumptions pointed out to you, and all you've done is continue to embarrass yourself. Repeatedly.

What is "sick" is your wilful ignorance, and refusal to even admit when you are shown to be wrong (repeatedly). The "sect" is truthers like yourself parroting rubbish you don't even understand.

"Chris mohr, why you dont criticize tri for his respect to murderers rather then eric lawyer?" Do grow up. You really need to improve your powers of comprehension, which seem virtually non-existent. He never said he respected murderers. He simply said he has more respect for them than he does for that lying so and so. Are you even able to understand the difference? Context. Reason. Understanding. These things are important.

But failing that, just continue to make an ass out of yourself. At least you seem to be good at that.
 
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As far as I know there are no further other reports of such large pieces that far away from the footprint. Why just that one piece ?

Well Bill. There had to be one that was further away than all of the others, this is just basic logic and common sense. Why don't you comment on the ones that were 590 feet away? 580? 570? There are plenty of those too. You might have a point if there was just the one piece 600 feet away and the next furthest one was 540 feet away (10% of the distance) but that didn't happen. Not even close.
 
Chris mohr, why you dont criticize tri for his respect to murderers rather then eric lawyer?

Tri is an experienced fire fighter and an instructoir in fire science.

Lawyer is a rookie and pulls a lot of his ideas out of his ass.
 
When you say 'later in the collapse' do you mean that the Winter Garden was already collapsing ? Why would the Winter Garden be collapsing ?
The debris that hit the Winter Garden was knocked loose late in the collapse of the tower. There were no buildings in the way to break up that multi-floor stack of columns, such as there was between the north tower and WTC 7.
 
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:boggled: Why you dont comment the debunkers???

This is really sick, its just like a sect, all the debunkers are defending eachother:boggled:

Chris mohr, why you dont criticize tri for his respect to murderers rather then eric lawyer?

And the second, why do you ignore my reply to you?

I think im going to put you on ignore.
Hi Marokkaan, Bill, Clayton etc.

If it helps any, if I were running a blog I would take out all personal remarks from both sides. But filtering through all these threads and taking out nasty personal remarks is a huge job, way bigger than I can take on, so I am grateful that LashL and others are doing that job as well as they are.

I have been welcomed into the rough playground that is JREF and I'm not here to change the culture here, just to treat all with human respect. As for Erik Lawyer and murderers, I have met both Erik and murderers (16 years of prison volunteer work and I've been alone for long periods of time in a room with a guy who murdered 17 people).

Like I said I try to treat all people with respect. That's my style, my way of being and doing mostly. On this thread that is all I can do. Are you suggesting I jump down Tri's throat because he despises Erik? It's not my business. I'm not here for that. Maybe it wasn't my business to suggest you've gone overboard with SamIAm. If so, I'll never comment on your behavior again. Others will do that just fine.

Sometimes I miss a question without intending to ignore it. What was your question you think I've ignored? If I'm not on ignore...
 
Tri is an experienced fire fighter and an instructoir in fire science.

Lawyer is a rookie and pulls a lot of his ideas out of his ass.

Lefty, I have to disagree with this.

Lawyer is NOT a rookie. He's been in the fire service longer than I have. THAT is what is so dumbfounding. He should KNOW better. He should KNOW how to use NFPA 921. He should KNOW that thermite, no matter what, is NOT en explosive. He should know better.

THAT is why I have no respect for him whatsoever. None.
 
600 feet is two football fields end-to-end . I can't believe that the 4-ton chunk was thrown that far. And I also find it hard to believe that it was carried out there by a falling wall. Could it have been planted there ? It would be very easy to do what with trucks and grappling equipment all over the place.

...and witnesses

....and news crews

...and firefighters

....and police officers

....and paramedics


When you have the first idea what you're talking about, you'll let us know?
 
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I can not read anything about nano-thermite, thermate, rdx? or the other thousands of explosives?

My second MOS (military occupational specialty) is 89D, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, and from my training and operational experience all these various conspiracy theories involving explosives or incendiaries at the WTC are fairytales, not fact.
 
I didn't miss anything. Credentials don't mean a dang thing if you debunkers exfoliate the notion that the three WTC skyscrapers fell smooth as silk without being rigged to do so.
Well, since the WTC towers didn't fall "smooth as silk" and didn't fall at "free fall acceleration" and didn't "fall into their own footprint" and verniage proves a building can be dropped straight down by removing its supports - without demo, your point would be?
 
You make the mistake of assuming that the perimeter columns all fell away in separate units. Some of them clearly fell as three or four sections still connect vertically. They fell away under some impetus from the expanding volumn of dust. The dust cloud did not evcen have to exert a lot of pressure to move a segment of columns from four hundred feet in the air six hundred feet away.

Your input continues to be pathetic despite your self professed life experience.

It a joke that you don't EXPLOSION here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8
 
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