Why not war against Islam?

[Bill Thompson]

The cop-out notion that all religions are bad (why do Liberals have sound bytes but not really any points or conclusions or concrete ideas?) is just fine and dandy but what is more important is this. Is your religion part of you or are you part of your religion. If you are part of your religion (which is a requirement in a few cult-like religions) then you no longer have freedom of expression and freedom of thought. That is something that requires humanity to be at "war" with albeit a war fought online rather than a real shooting war.

 

[Bill Thompson]

He's a sample size of one.

What does that mean?
The irony in that statement is that religions themselves are started by one.

 

[Bill Thompson]

OK, I have toned this down.

Lowbrow,
You slander me by changing what I have said in your quotes.


Originally Posted by Lowpro
Oh we can tell. Your concerns stem from a temporal bias against Islam; if you had lived only so much as a hundred years ago you'd be banging down the doors of Christianity with an iron fist. But you wouldn't win the argument against Xtianity then either.

Don't let temporal bias color your reasoning Bill, at the very least it suppresses your internal spellcheck.

That is not exactly what I said, Dr. SelectiveEdit.

I did not say.
"I am not concerned that the bilble literally says to kill homosexuals"

I am not a psycho killer

I said

"I am not concerned that the bilble literally says to kill homosexuals and homosexuals should not concerned either."

A subtle but very important difference. You actively seek to portray me as a psychopath because your editing cuts off a very important part of the reasoning.

I am not concerned that the bilble literally says to kill homosexuals and homosexuals should not concerned either.

The bible also commands that we should stone disobedient children. This is why the leaders of all the major Christian sects demand that the bible is not to be interpreted literally. Only the inbred appalachian genetic throw-backs interpret the bible literally and they lack the opposable thumbs and/or higher brain functions to hold and/or make use of a weapon anyway.

This is not the same thing as the followers of the quran like the 9-11 terrorists who were college educated, learned how to pilot a jumbo jet, were organized and well-trained.

Your selective editing shows me that you do not care about having a real conversation. You just want to break, destroy, hurt, slander, misrepresent, misquote and annoy.

 

[Bill Thompson]

So you are terribly concerned that the Koran discriminates against homosexuals and claim that homosexuals should not be concerned either, but you are not concerned that the Bible literally commands its followers to murder homosexuals and you don't think that homosexuals should be at all worried about that.

Why?

Why do we have to go over the same thing about four or five times.

OK this is the fifth time.

The Koran is not to Muslims like the Bible is to Christians or Jews.

There are tons of silly stuff in the Bible. There are angels mating with humans to make giants. There is the law to stone disobedient kids. No one takes this seriously unless they are so mentally handicapped to be no threat to society at all.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Re: OP Question, "Why not War against Islam?"

Answer 1) "Those" countries sit on huge oil reserves.
Answer 2) Why not war against any other fictional dogmatism (such as christianity, buddhism, hinduism, judaism....)

How about: 3) advocate rational sketpticism in all endeavors? Question assumptions that, "everyone knows," that are not consistent with evidence-supported knowledge, etc.? Demand evidence for truth claims. Re-evaluate accepted scientific truth when it is shown to be inconsistent with evidence...

Number 3 looks good to me.

 

[Foster Zygote]

What does that mean?

It means that one example is not enough to support your assertions. If Someone gives one example of a person who renounced his U.S. citizenship and joined al-Qaeda because he thinks that the U.S. is an evil, decadent society bent on exterminating Islam, what does it prove about the United States? The answer: Nothing.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I am not a psycho killer

Lowpro never suggested that you are. It is clear that he was making a point about your choice to ignore the same elements in the Bible that you condemn in the Koran.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Originally Posted by Bill Thompson
This guy is the son of the leader of Hamas. He is against Islam. So why are you not? He knows the difference between Muslms and Islam. Why don't you?

He's a sample size of one.

• Ghandi was one man and he drove the British out of India.
• Morris Childs (Agent Solo) was one man and he helped bring down the Soviet Union, and without his work, Nixon would not have opened trade with China.
• Ben Franklin was just one man and he kicked off the Age of Reason
• Then there are the countless of inventors like Edison who did multiple of things to change the world.

 

[Bill Thompson]

It means that one example is not enough to support your assertions. If Someone gives one example of a person who renounced his U.S. citizenship and joined al-Qaeda because he thinks that the U.S. is an evil, decadent society bent on exterminating Islam, what does it prove about the United States? The answer: Nothing.

Not him.

Not someone in his position.

He is not some joe Schmo off the street. He is someone of extreme importance and position and command in that world.

It would be like Prince Charles denouncing the existance of the whole royal family.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Lowpro never suggested that you are. It is clear that he was making a point about your choice to ignore the same elements in the Bible that you condemn in the Koran.

That does not make any sense. Why does the bible have anything to do with anything in any way?

Are we going to have to go over this a seventh, eighth, 9th or 10th time? Or can you grant me the pleasure of your going back and reading my points about this?

 

[Foster Zygote]

The Koran is not to Muslims like the Bible is to Christians or Jews.

Yes, we know that you believe this. You have been asked to justify this assertion several time and you have consistently failed to do so.

There are tons of silly stuff in the Bible. There are angels mating with humans to make giants. There is the law to stone disobedient kids. No one takes this seriously unless they are so mentally handicapped to be no threat to society at all.

Army of God.

Eric Robert Rudolph, a member of the Army of God, detonated a bomb at the Olympic games in Atlanta. His aim was to kill and maim indiscriminately. He didn't care if he killed children, as long as he killed and injured people. If it hadn't been for the sharp eye of Richard Jewell it could have been much worse that 2 dead and 111 wounded.

 

[Foster Zygote]

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• Ghandi was one man and he drove the British out of India.
• Morris Childs (Agent Solo) was one man and he helped bring down the Soviet Union, and without his work, Nixon would not have opened trade with China.
• Ben Franklin was just one man and he kicked off the Age of Reason
• Then there are the countless of inventors like Edison who did multiple of things to change the world.

What has that got to do with the opinion of one individual. We aren't talking about the actions of this man, we are talking about his opinion regarding his former religion. If someone presented a single person who'd claimed to have been abducted by aliens, would you defend the legitimacy of his uncorroborated story as evidence because Martin Luther King was one man? Your logic is so flawed that I don't even know where to begin.

By the way, I think you mean Thomas Paine, not Benjamin Franklin.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Not him.

Not someone in his position.

He is not some joe Schmo off the street. He is someone of extreme importance and position and command in that world.

It would be like Prince Charles denouncing the existance of the whole royal family.

Ah, so this is an argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy.

 

[Foster Zygote]

That does not make any sense. Why does the bible have anything to do with anything in any way?

I'm sure you know why the Bible is important. It is important because you have asserted that the Koran is uniquely evil. As I said before, you can't say X is worse than all the others and then protest when people start actually comparing X to the others.

Are we going to have to go over this a seventh, eighth, 9th or 10th time?

The repetition is entirely due to your refusal to acknowledge facts that contradict your poorly constructed, ill informed arguments.

Or can you grant me the pleasure of your going back and reading my points about this?

I've seen them. I've seen you ignore all evidence that contradicts your claims. For example: Your claim that the Bible only contains a single anti-gay verse to the Koran's four. You have been shown to be utterly wrong about this. Or your claim that the proposed Uganda anti-gay legislation would only punish those who knowingly infected others with HIV. This too has been demonstrated to be completely false. Then there's your claim that a member of Lincoln's cabinet had written about Lincoln's hatred of Catholics, which is completely false. I've seen your arguments and there is no substance to them.

 

[A'isha]

I've seen them. I've seen you ignore all evidence that contradicts your claims. For example: Your claim that the Bible only contains a single anti-gay verse to the Koran's four. You have been shown to be utterly wrong about this. Or your claim that the proposed Uganda anti-gay legislation would only punish those who knowingly infected others with HIV. This too has been demonstrated to be completely false. Then there's your claim that a member of Lincoln's cabinet had written about Lincoln's hatred of Catholics, which is completely false. I've seen your arguments and there is no substance to them.

Don't forget his "THE Grand Mufti, the Official Authority in Islam" thing (or the "Scientology banned in Germany" thing, though that's less directly applicable to his arguments and more a typical sign of his shoddy research skills).

 

[Mister Agenda]

Why do we have to go over the same thing about four or five times.

OK this is the fifth time.

The Koran is not to Muslims like the Bible is to Christians or Jews.

There are tons of silly stuff in the Bible. There are angels mating with humans to make giants. There is the law to stone disobedient kids. No one takes this seriously unless they are so mentally handicapped to be no threat to society at all.

As a former Pentecostal, I can testify they really believe angels mated with humans and that the offspring were giants. There isn't anything in the Bible too silly for a Pentecostal to believe. They think they've got leeway on the stoning because modern law enforcement can handle juvenile delinqents now, but it was perfectly fine to stone children in biblical times.

If you don't think there are Christian Dominionists (Christianists, I call them) who favor the death penalty for homosexuality in America, you are mistaken. I don't fancy their chances of making it happen, but they have a much better chance of doing so than our tiny Muslim minority does of accomplishing anything comparable.

 

[Mister Agenda]

Number 3 looks good to me.

The thing about 3 is that it doesn't sound like 'War on Islam'. It sounds like what we do all the time here. Arguably, we're at war with bad thinking.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Christianity is not Islam.
So why do you even mentioin it?

 

[Bill Thompson]

The thing about 3 is that it doesn't sound like 'War on Islam'. It sounds like what we do all the time here. Arguably, we're at war with bad thinking.

I like that.

 

[Lowpro]

The Koran is not to Muslims like the Bible is to Christians or Jews.

There are tons of silly stuff in the Bible. There are angels mating with humans to make giants. There is the law to stone disobedient kids. No one takes this seriously unless they are so mentally handicapped to be no threat to society at all.

Lol maybe you thinking that Islam is a threat to society is evidence that you're mentally handicapped then. You seem to take and treat it more seriously than most every other follower of Islam after all.

After all you have in no way illustrated that The Koran is any different from the Bible to Christians/Torah to Jews. You've just declared it without any substantiation (and you only declare it due to temporal bias, not through objective data). Actually you have tried to substantiate it, and it's been abysmal for you. No one takes your arguments seriously other than those who enjoy the confirmation bias they get because simply put; they hate Islam.