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Why not war against Islam?

Bill Thompson said:
There are four times as many anti-gay passages in the Quran. And it is the literal word of God. The bible is not.

You do not understand how Islam works. The Quran is the literal word of god. You are commanded to submit to what God wants and what makes God happy.

The four passages are:

  1. Homosexual acts are condemned as unnatural. (Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?) 7:80-81
  2. Male homosexual activities are condemned as unnatural. 26:165-6
  3. Male homosexuals commit abominations and act senselessly. 27:54-55
  4. Male homosexuals acts are condemned as unnatural. 29:28-29
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Why didn't you list the Biblical passages condemning homosexuality, Bill?
 
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ANTPogo said:
Why didn't you list the Biblical passages condemning homosexuality, Bill?
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And where are the passages ordering followers to kill homosexuals, like the orders in the Bible?

And he forgot to include Sura IV:21 "And if two (men) of you commit it, then hurt them both; but if they turn again and amend, leave them alone, verily, God is easily turned, compassionate".

Still backward and intolerant, but a far cry from ordering summary execution.
 
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This guy is the son of the leader of Hamas. He is against Islam. So why are you not? He knows the difference between Muslms and Islam. Why don't you?
 
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Foster Zygote said:
And where are the passages ordering followers to kill homosexuals, like the orders in the Bible?
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I just explained that in very clear detail in no uncertain terms here, publically for you and all to see. THis time, I will use shorter sentences for you.

The quran is not like the bible.

The quran is the literal word of God.

The bible is not.

If Allah expresses displeasure towards Christains, for example, and says things like a horrible doom awaits them, it is natural and correct for Muslims to do Allahs work.

Sorry if that last sentence might have been too long for you.

There are four passages in the Quran that at anti-gay. There is only one in the Bible. The quran wins the hate contest hands-down.

What is more is this. I do not think I ever said exactly that the Quran had passages that demanded killing homosexuals word-for-word. you seem to be implying that I did. You do that a lot. You misquote me a lot. How come? Why do you do that?

Maybe I should just put you on ignore like I have done to ANTPogo.
 
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Let's play a game of "Spot the intellectual dishonesty" Bill copied/pasted the Skeptic's Annotated Quran here

Bill Thompson said:
There are four times as many anti-gay passages in the Quran. And it is the literal word of God. The bible is not.

You do not understand how Islam works. The Quran is the literal word of god. You are commanded to submit to what God wants and what makes God happy.

The four passages are:

1. Homosexual acts are condemned as unnatural. (Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?) 7:80-81
2. Male homosexual activities are condemned as unnatural. 26:165-6
3.Male homosexuals commit abominations and act senselessly. 27:54-55
4.Male homosexuals acts are condemned as unnatural. 29:28-29
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Against the challenge from ANTpogo he forgot to list the Bible's section:

here It's actually so large that if I copy and paste I'll break the rules for copying and pasting too much content.

There are 38 infractions of homosexuality and its intolerance from the same website, some refer to eunuchs however and I doubt they reflect homosexual behavior (after all, the posts from the Quran that Bill posted refer to Lot's travel to Sodom which is also in the Bible; there is not too much difference between the two stories other than that God seemed to repeat himself in the Quran whereas in the Bible the Sodomites (hey, where does the term sodomy come from?) are referred to as wicked sinners who want to bum-rape angels...)

So let's repeat that. THREE of the statements from the Quran against homosexuals, specifically:

Male homosexual activities are condemned as unnatural. 26:165-6

Male homosexuals commit abominations and act senselessly. 27:54-55

Male homosexuals acts are condemned as unnatural. 29:28-29

Come from the ONE story of Lot on his travels to Sodom; the same story as in The Bible with the same active disgust for homosexuality, only in the Quran it seems they love repeating themselves.


Now it would be against the rules for me to accuse Bill of any particular wrongdoing such as say, lying. So it's up to the readers to judge for themselves what they think.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
I just explained that in very clear detail in no uncertain terms here, publically for you and all to see. THis time, I will use shorter sentences for you.
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You might want to work on your spelling as well.

The quran is not like the bible.

The quran is the literal word of God.

The bible is not.
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Yes, Bill, we've heard you make this claim already. We understand it. What you need to understand is that we want you to back up this claim with evidence. For example, you could demonstrate that the Bible clearly states "this is not the actual word of God and you should not take it literally".

If Allah expresses displeasure towards Christains, for example, and says things like a horrible doom awaits them, it is natural and correct for Muslims to do Allahs work.
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Then it is also natural and correct for one third of Americans to own slaves, kill homosexuals, kill their family members who stray from their religion and kill their daughters for having sex with people of their own choosing. After all, if your argument holds true for Muslims then it holds true for Biblical literalists as well.

Sorry if that last sentence might have been too long for you.
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It had a few punctuation errors, but otherwise it was easily parsed.

There are four passages in the Quran that at anti-gay. There is only one in the Bible. The quran wins the hate contest hands-down.
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Just one? Let's list them:

1 - Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

2 - Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.

3 - Romans 1:26-27 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

So that's three certainly, with a possible two more in the form of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8–10, depending on the meaning of "ἀρσενοκοίτης" which comes from the Greek words "ἄρσην", meaning "male" and "κοίτην" which means "bed, with a sexual connotation" and has been variously translated as "abusers of themselves with mankind", "sodomites" or "men who practice homosexuality". So now it's at least three to four, possibly five to four, but with one Biblical passage clearly calling for the murder of homosexuals.

What is more is this. I do not think I ever said exactly that the Quran had passages that demanded killing homosexuals word-for-word. you seem to be implying that I did. You do that a lot. You misquote me a lot. How come? Why do you do that?
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Bill, I never implied that you said that the Koran demanded the killing of homosexuals, although you certainly have implied that they are duty bound to do so. If you'll recall, you have been making a claim that Islam is uniquely dangerous. Pointing out that the religious texts used by both Jews and Christians commands the death penalty for homosexuals is a logical argument that addresses your claim. Again, when you make an argument about the status of one thing compared to others, don't act like it is off limits to actually compare said thing to the others.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
I am not concerned that the bilble literally says to kill homosexuals
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Oh we can tell. Your concerns stem from a temporal bias against Islam; if you had lived only so much as a hundred years ago you'd be banging down the doors of Christianity with an iron fist. But you wouldn't win the argument against Xtianity then either.

Don't let temporal bias color your reasoning Bill, at the very least it suppresses your internal spellcheck.
 
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I am not concerned that the bilble literally says to kill homosexuals and homosexuals should not concerned either.

The bible also commands that we should stone disobedient children. This is why the leaders of all the major Christian sects demand that the bible is not to be interpreted literally. Only the inbred appalachian genetic throw-backs interpret the bible literally and they lack the opposable thumbs and/or higher brain functions to hold and/or make use of a weapon anyway.

This is not the same thing as the followers of the quran like the 9-11 terrorists who were college educated, learned how to pilot a jumbo jet, were organized and well-trained.
 
Re: OP Question, "Why not War against Islam?"

Answer 1) "Those" countries sit on huge oil reserves.
Answer 2) Why not war against any other fictional dogmatism (such as christianity, buddhism, hinduism, judaism....)

How about: 3) advocate rational sketpticism in all endeavors? Question assumptions that, "everyone knows," that are not consistent with evidence-supported knowledge, etc.? Demand evidence for truth claims. Re-evaluate accepted scientific truth when it is shown to be inconsistent with evidence...
 
Some Muslim girl asked me what my solution would be. I told her it was up to her to educate herself and that one should not bear false witness.

This is a good video. I will have to transcribe it, I am sure. This makes about 5 I need to transcribe since it is obvious no one is watching it.

 
Finn McR said:
How about: 3) advocate rational sketpticism in all endeavors? Question assumptions that, "everyone knows," that are not consistent with evidence-supported knowledge, etc.? Demand evidence for truth claims. Re-evaluate accepted scientific truth when it is shown to be inconsistent with evidence...
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This is so different to a war on anything.
Bill approves of the option, but he's so caught up on the idea of "war against what he doesn't like" that he doesn't see the distinction.

There are two ways to go about things:
1) destroy what you hate
2) nurture what you love

These are not the same attitude -- even when what you love competes with what you hate, and nurturing one will weaken the other.

This will be made plain by the fact that your above suggestion will not lead to 20 pages of argument.

ETA: 29 pages, plus some posts sent to AAH
 
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Bill Thompson said:
I am not concerned that the bilble literally says to kill homosexuals and homosexuals should not concerned either.
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So you are terribly concerned that the Koran discriminates against homosexuals and claim that homosexuals should not be concerned either, but you are not concerned that the Bible literally commands its followers to murder homosexuals and you don't think that homosexuals should be at all worried about that.

Why?
 
Bill Thompson said:
I am not concerned that the bilble literally says to kill homosexuals and homosexuals should not concerned either.

The bible also commands that we should stone disobedient children. This is why the leaders of all the major Christian sects demand that the bible is not to be interpreted literally. Only the inbred appalachian genetic throw-backs interpret the bible literally and they lack the opposable thumbs and/or higher brain functions to hold and/or make use of a weapon anyway.

This is not the same thing as the followers of the quran like the 9-11 terrorists who were college educated, learned how to pilot a jumbo jet, were organized and well-trained.
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Bill, please tell me that you are not claiming that there isn't a single college educated person among the one third of Americans who believe that the Bible is the literal word of God.

ETA: Ironically, most Muslim extremists are not well educated. At many Wahhabi schools students learn to memorize the Koran in Arabic, but they learn to recite it phonetically because they don't speak Arabic.
 
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