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Yes! What a wally he is.
Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga
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Yes! What a wally he is.
abaddon
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But he didn't, he even explicitly stated that he wouldn't.
Well, let us revert to LGR logic.
1. LGR has is a self confessed troll, and will lie at leisure, and therefore cannot be trusted.
2. The transmissions could not be mocked up, and your suggestion that they could is a lie. But you already admit you lie, so quelle surprise.
3. Simply not possible within any known fuel budget, so another lie. Quelle surprise.
Point out a flaw in the logic of a self admitted liar? I think not.
Erock
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Let's put it out there........
As the current "best estimate" of the landing site shifted, predicted ranges were affected by approximately 4 km (28 ffsec). Site coordinates for Tranquility Base provided by the NASA Manned Spacecraft Center on July 22, 1969, are currently being used.
I can't actually see the date from this, but I assume you mean they watched the EVA, then referred to position identified AFTERWARDS, which would be morning of 21st, in line with Reed/CSM/Radar, then the mistake with the 'Texas drawl' corrected morning of 22nd.
NEXT.
Where it says:
I've seen the same thing mentioned in another document reviewing the history of LRRR usage. but I've not managed to find it again
It also gives us a good candidate for the time when a young reporter got the wrong end of the stick on the evening of the first attempt.
It's reasonable to think that a young excited and inexperienced and perhaps not tech savvy, reporter might decide that that is his scoop, that "there is is", and go running off to get the story in.
I've seen the same thing mentioned in another document reviewing the history of LRRR usage. but I've not managed to find it again
It also gives us a good candidate for the time when a young reporter got the wrong end of the stick on the evening of the first attempt.
It's reasonable to think that a young excited and inexperienced and perhaps not tech savvy, reporter might decide that that is his scoop, that "there is is", and go running off to get the story in.
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abaddon
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LOL, you had best work out the fuel budget for such an orbit. Bet you can't.
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Then you really do know nothing about space flight.
What does he think was holding NASA back? Radiation? If fuel is no issue, then you CAN lift ships covered with four feet of lead (the problem of bremmstrahlung goes away if you can get enough metal). If it is problems with food supply or life support -- again, being able to lift arbitrary masses eases a lot of pain. Perhaps there are worrisome aliens? If fuel is no issue, send up battleships (or even recycle a sunken W.W.II naval craft, if that's what floats your Yamato). Power is power; if you can generate delta-V, you can generate electrical power to feed Giant Lasers or relativistic cannon. Not to forget, of course, the Kizinti Lesson itself.
Or perhaps he is alluding to (but unwilling to say) that NASA is actually tooling around the visible universe already in their top secret flying saucers (swastikas carefully scrubbed off for a new and spiffy all-black paint job.) And so the only "issue" is owning up to how they are already fighting aliens and ferrying slaves to the Rich People colonies around distant stars -- when they aren't assuaging their boredom by controlling weather and scaring farmers during the long shifts on Earth.
Or perhaps he is alluding to (but unwilling to say) that NASA is actually tooling around the visible universe already in their top secret flying saucers (swastikas carefully scrubbed off for a new and spiffy all-black paint job.) And so the only "issue" is owning up to how they are already fighting aliens and ferrying slaves to the Rich People colonies around distant stars -- when they aren't assuaging their boredom by controlling weather and scaring farmers during the long shifts on Earth.
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No need to work out the fuel we all know that NASA is capable of anything.(except manned flight the moon)
I dunno. I think it is a close second to the guy who claimed the laser ranging experiment was obviously fake because "how could they hit such a small target with a tiny little laser spot".
I actually think the non-parallel shadows one beats the no-stars one for mind-boggling. The visibility of stars, you actually have to work at to understand. Shadows, you only have to leave the basement for twenty minutes and see what the world looks like out in the sun.
On the other hand, I do have a slight fondness for hoax believers who want to know why the EVA suits weren't puffed up like balloons, and how they could possibly hold air with a big zipper in the front....
On the other hand, I do have a slight fondness for hoax believers who want to know why the EVA suits weren't puffed up like balloons, and how they could possibly hold air with a big zipper in the front....
Reminds me of the first time I heard of the "Apollo Hoax", I thought of how they got the Soviet Union in on it? And then assumed that any apparent irregularity had a good if lengthy explanation.I think the guy who said that all he has to do is find one thing in the written record that seems strange to him allows him to then discard all the other evidence is the craziest.
(There have been time in US port where the performance of the cargo coordinators and longshoremen had us look at each other and wonder "did these guys really go to the moon")
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Boy you guys are getting nervous, still preoccupied with this trivial side show?
How desperate can you be drewid? If this was true, they'd have the guy's name. If this were true AND were it true the guy put the video on a plane that takes 6 hours to get to NYC the video would be fact checked, vetted, especially because no one else has the story. The net work would call Lick Observatory to verify the thing. One call. Also, with respect to a ruby red laser blasting pulses out that last billionths of a second, one might get flash blinded, but you are not going to "SEE" flashing light in a conventional sense.
Much more likely, the video was fabricated and given to the studio along with the implication that it was authentic. For the reason above(billionths' of a second pulses etc.) it is realized the thing will be spotted as a phony almost immediately by anyone with half a brain, so right there that excludes 50% of the NASA staff. But one of the other 50% will pick up on it. One of the NASA guys with 3/4s of a brain will see this as patently phony and say, "hey everyone, we're being DUPED! this space mission we're running is FAKE!" So the same guys that actually passed the bogus video to the net work ultimately cover its patent fraudulence with this ridiculous story about the over zealous reporter.
AND the fact that your side, has to cling to these idiotic cover stories, does all the more to emphasize this thing is 10 plus fake.
AND, as I wrote to Kiwi9, my point about the Capcom mentioning the LRRR being successfully targeted to Collins, has nothing to do whether the targeting was or was not successful, whether or not there was or was not a reporter. The point is, if the capcom THINKS it was real for a moment, along with the supposedly reasonably intelligent people sitting around him AND Donald Beattie and the other lunar science boys were available to discuss this very type of thing live on the air. Here's Beattie;
"Four nights after the launch, in anticipation of the landing, the Voice of America (VOA) had assembled a team to report on this once in a lifetime adventure for its worldwide audience. Several NASA colleagues, Merle Waugh, John Hammersmith, William Land, and I, were in the Washington studios as "color commentators" to back up the VOA reporters led by Rhett Turner, who would be reporting from the Manned Spacecraft Center in Houston. We listened anxiously, just like millions of others around the globe, to the exchange between the capsule communicator (CapCom) Charlie Duke and Armstrong and Aldrin in the Eagle as they went through the final maneuvers to land the LM. The excitement of those last few minutes, heightened by the crew's difficulties in selecting their landing site with alarms ringing in their ears and their fuel supply nearing exhaustion, made Armstrong's announcement "Houston, Tranquility Base here, the Eagle has landed," almost anticlimactic. We could hear the cheering in the Mission Control Room through Rhett's microphone, and we in VOAs Washington studio were yelling and pounding each other on the back too. Although we had worked for years to help achieve this moment, it seemed incredible that we were successful on the first try."
Donald A. Beattie. Taking Science to the Moon: Lunar Experiments and the Apollo Program (ebook Locations 2806-2813).
So Kiwi9 stepped in the Borman poop when he pressed this point with me because first of all it is immaterial to my argument. My point had to do with the FACT IN THE TRANSCRIPT that the CapCom SAID WHICH HE DID that the LRRR had been successfully targeted. My point plays out the same way, regardless of the story's authenticity, or how its inauthenticity may be accounted for. AND if one looks at this thing with a critical eye, one can see any reasonable person wouldn't buy this bull for the few billionths' of a nanosecond duration of a Lick Observatory ruby red laser pulse.
Give it up drewid. The thing is a bogus story and even if it were true, I could almost not care less. I suggest you spend your time in an effort attempting to debunk 1178 and my demonstration of telemetry fraudulence.
How desperate can you be drewid? If this was true, they'd have the guy's name. If this were true AND were it true the guy put the video on a plane that takes 6 hours to get to NYC the video would be fact checked, vetted, especially because no one else has the story. The net work would call Lick Observatory to verify the thing. One call. Also, with respect to a ruby red laser blasting pulses out that last billionths of a second, one might get flash blinded, but you are not going to "SEE" flashing light in a conventional sense.
Much more likely, the video was fabricated and given to the studio along with the implication that it was authentic. For the reason above(billionths' of a second pulses etc.) it is realized the thing will be spotted as a phony almost immediately by anyone with half a brain, so right there that excludes 50% of the NASA staff. But one of the other 50% will pick up on it. One of the NASA guys with 3/4s of a brain will see this as patently phony and say, "hey everyone, we're being DUPED! this space mission we're running is FAKE!" So the same guys that actually passed the bogus video to the net work ultimately cover its patent fraudulence with this ridiculous story about the over zealous reporter.
AND the fact that your side, has to cling to these idiotic cover stories, does all the more to emphasize this thing is 10 plus fake.
AND, as I wrote to Kiwi9, my point about the Capcom mentioning the LRRR being successfully targeted to Collins, has nothing to do whether the targeting was or was not successful, whether or not there was or was not a reporter. The point is, if the capcom THINKS it was real for a moment, along with the supposedly reasonably intelligent people sitting around him AND Donald Beattie and the other lunar science boys were available to discuss this very type of thing live on the air. Here's Beattie;
"Four nights after the launch, in anticipation of the landing, the Voice of America (VOA) had assembled a team to report on this once in a lifetime adventure for its worldwide audience. Several NASA colleagues, Merle Waugh, John Hammersmith, William Land, and I, were in the Washington studios as "color commentators" to back up the VOA reporters led by Rhett Turner, who would be reporting from the Manned Spacecraft Center in Houston. We listened anxiously, just like millions of others around the globe, to the exchange between the capsule communicator (CapCom) Charlie Duke and Armstrong and Aldrin in the Eagle as they went through the final maneuvers to land the LM. The excitement of those last few minutes, heightened by the crew's difficulties in selecting their landing site with alarms ringing in their ears and their fuel supply nearing exhaustion, made Armstrong's announcement "Houston, Tranquility Base here, the Eagle has landed," almost anticlimactic. We could hear the cheering in the Mission Control Room through Rhett's microphone, and we in VOAs Washington studio were yelling and pounding each other on the back too. Although we had worked for years to help achieve this moment, it seemed incredible that we were successful on the first try."
Donald A. Beattie. Taking Science to the Moon: Lunar Experiments and the Apollo Program (ebook Locations 2806-2813).
So Kiwi9 stepped in the Borman poop when he pressed this point with me because first of all it is immaterial to my argument. My point had to do with the FACT IN THE TRANSCRIPT that the CapCom SAID WHICH HE DID that the LRRR had been successfully targeted. My point plays out the same way, regardless of the story's authenticity, or how its inauthenticity may be accounted for. AND if one looks at this thing with a critical eye, one can see any reasonable person wouldn't buy this bull for the few billionths' of a nanosecond duration of a Lick Observatory ruby red laser pulse.
Give it up drewid. The thing is a bogus story and even if it were true, I could almost not care less. I suggest you spend your time in an effort attempting to debunk 1178 and my demonstration of telemetry fraudulence.
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It is an historical fact that NBC reported successful aquisition. The account of the 'success' occurs in the transcript after the TV broadcast. Since we know Houston were only concerned with the mission and not the laser experiment success, it is perfectly obvious that they would not be conversing with LICK.
You are getting way too desparate now.
Your demonstration as you put it, relies exclusively on one thing, and one thing only. The LICK team receiving final Eagle position on the 20th. They did not and it has been proven. The Eagle position was received evening of the 21st with the 15 and 50 transposed by misinterpretation, and corrected on the morning of the 22nd.
As I pointed out (you ignored it!) the interview is split by question and had some ambiguity to what night they were using the correct Eagle coordinates.
You need to go back to the drawing board and find some more poopoo episodes to discuss
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abaddon
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You still didn't answer. How many astronauts were present on the moon on 08/01/1969?
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