Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

[sheeplesnshills]

All this, you do realize that 1.5 million dollars was lost by selling it to China don't you?

Are you never going to learn to link to a source when you make an assertion?

 

[Sam.I.Am]

I guess we can add the laws of supply and demand to the ever growing list of things that tmd has no clue about.

You see tmd, when people buy things they usually look for the lowest price that they can get. Meanwhile the people selling that thing want to get the most money possible out of whatever it is that they have. When they have too much of that thing it takes up space that they have to pay for to keep it there, the longer it sits there the less valuable that thing becomes as the costs to hang onto it cut into their profits so they lower the price of that thing to get it off of their hands as quickly as possible so that they can get something else to put where it used to be and sell for even more money. Meanwhile the other people selling that exact same thing somewhere else cannot sell that thing if the other guys prices for that stuff is a lot lower than their prices for that stuff. This causes the price of that thing to drop everywhere until the two forces (supply and demand) even out. Once they have sold all of that thing that they had a bunch of and it become more rare the price of that thing will go back up to where it was or even higher.

Is that simple enough for you to understand or do we need visual aids?

 

[tsig]

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So now I'm a liar as well? Terrific. Maybe one day you will learn you are the one being lied to on a large scale. Sure I want closure for everyone involved as well as for all Americans. Finding out exactly what happened that day is the only way to do that.

If you're trying to say I am disrespecting the victims or those who were involved that day (including you) nothing is further from the truth. I want to find out what happened that day for the victims that day. As well as they many that has suffered since then.

I never said I put my faith in that site. He has a lot of great information on it. But I've looked at more sources as it relates to that day than you can possibly imagine. Something a lot of "debunkers" don't do. All CT sites are wrong by default. All of there scientific analysis is lunacy. How many times do we hear when are they going to get something published in a "respectable" journal? It's really almost sickening.

The "much more" I was speaking in general as well as the steel. In general all you have to do is look at the original post for that. For the steel statements like this mean nothing to you?

" In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris—including most of the steel from the upper floors—was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel—including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns—were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site. Fortunately, an NSF-funded independent researcher, recognizing that valuable evidence was being destroyed, attempted to intervene with the City of New York to save the valuable artifacts, but the city was unwilling to suspend the recycling contract. Ultimately, the researcher appealed directly to the recycling plant, which agreed to provide the researcher, and ultimately the ASCE team and the SEAoNY volunteers, access to the remaining steel and a storage area where they could temporarily store important artifacts for additional analysis. Despite this agreement, however, many pieces of steel still managed to escape inspection."

Or this

The Chinese firm Baosteel purchased 50,000 tons at a rate of $120 per ton, compared to an average price of $150 paid by local mills in the previous year. The same for India

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/groundzero/china_baosteel.htm

Things like that bother me. They should bother you. Do I think it was a plot? You bet. No other reason for it.

As I said if you want to believe he is a liar that is your business. But I hope one day you will see the "lying" may be being done by those you trust.

If the steel was shipped out then what was that liquid metal in the rubble pile?

BTW: How do you ship molten steel?

 

[tsig]

You said a mouthful there. I would like to know where tmd studied engineering,cd,physics,fire control and aviation. I suspect that the answer is nowhere utube.

ftfy

The eyes are all you need, no need to use your brain.

 

[triforcharity]

What have I run from?

Oh, damn near every single question presented to you, not only by me, but by other posters.

I ONLY went back to page 55 of this thread.

Let's list them.

Tell me, has Jones or Gage conducted anything similar or just made unsubstantiated pronouncements like you do?

Do you accept that fire can collapse steel framed buildings?

Citation needed for the "taken away in record time" lie.

When did the first significant stream of water get to the WTC debris pile? Why no thermite cooking off on the top of a pile that was , in your words, still hot enough to melt aluminum?
Jeebus! how much thermite was still in the debris after collapse?

Where did you study engineering and how many computer models have you constructed?

So you're ok with believing a complete lie? ...
Are you ok putting your faith in liars?

• 
  None of the investigators that studied the steel says that they were shielded in any nefarious way (that truthers imply) by the powers that be. Why is that? They all have to be in on it again.

• Why didnt they find any evidence you claim they were so worried would be found?

• Why would it matter if FEMA had trouble early on if you also believe they are the ones that are covering everything up with their fraudulent unscientific report?

• Why, if they are the ones covering everything up, were independent experts from SEAoNY, ASCE and Dr Astaneh-Asl allowed on the site at all?

And why did Hoffman feel the need to quote FEMA out of context to make out that no one actually saved and studied the steel? You claimed it was the best source for information, so how can you read that and come away knowing any of this?

These are just a few. I would hope you get the point.

If you really believe what you have wrote, you are much more delusional than any truther.

So, you admit that you're delusional? Cool. (Another good example of taking things out of context. I can do it too.)

All this, you do realize that 1.5 million dollars was lost by selling it to China don't you?

What was the going rate for steel in 2001? (Remember, the US was in a recession. ) We actually made good money on the steel.

You want to focus on one quote?

Well, again, it's more than one.

That is at worse mis-leading.

You keep spelling "least" wrong.

Something he says the exact opposite to else where in the site, it's sad...really sad.

It is sad. It's self-debunking. Don't you think it should be corrected?

But as I said, you have done a great service and didn't even realize it.

Yes, I do realize it. People that read this forum, that are uneducated, won't be fooled by your lies and misleading statements.

 

[tmd2_1]

Oh, damn near every single question presented to you, not only by me, but by other posters.

I ONLY went back to page 55 of this thread.

Let's list them.








These are just a few. I would hope you get the point.




So, you admit that you're delusional? Cool. (Another good example of taking things out of context. I can do it too.)



What was the going rate for steel in 2001? (Remember, the US was in a recession. ) We actually made good money on the steel.




Well, again, it's more than one.



You keep spelling "least" wrong.



It is sad. It's self-debunking. Don't you think it should be corrected?



Yes, I do realize it. People that read this forum, that are uneducated, won't be fooled by your lies and misleading statements.

You can't possibly expect me to answer every question can you? I mean I do miss things. Also many of them I have answered in one form or another. Different people asking the same questions.

Since you asked those questions I'll try to answer the ones you posted



Tell me, has Jones or Gage conducted anything similar or just made unsubstantiated pronouncements like you do?
I really don't remember what this is about. I try to not post anything unsubstantiated, I would assume Gage and Jones do as well.

Originally Posted by funk de fino View Post
Do you accept that fire can collapse steel framed buildings?
It probably can, but the building would probably not be up to code, or have something else wrong with it. There are some examples of this happening but I believe in all instances there was something wrong with the building.

Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
Citation needed for the "taken away in record time" lie.
That was just an expression. To my knowledge no other 110 story building have collapsed.

Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
When did the first significant stream of water get to the WTC debris pile? Why no thermite cooking off on the top of a pile that was , in your words, still hot enough to melt aluminum?

I've answered this several times. I told him 4 million gallons of water were dumped onto the site in the first 10 days. I couldn't find when the first water was dumped, I would assume the 12th but I don't know. So given that, and given no investigators were given any type of "access" until at least early October, who knows what was going on.


Jeebus! how much thermite was still in the debris after collapse?
Many times I've said I can't be sure

Originally Posted by dafydd View Post
Where did you study engineering and how many computer models have you constructed?
I've said I don't want to give anything out. But I am very far from ashamed of my qualifications I can assure of that.
Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
So you're ok with believing a complete lie? ...
What complete lie? One quote, that I believe is mis-leading perhaps, but not a lie
Are you ok putting your faith in liars?
I put faith in myself you should try doing the same.
Originally Posted by Edx View Post

None of the investigators that studied the steel says that they were shielded in any nefarious way (that truthers imply) by the powers that be. Why is that? They all have to be in on it again.
They signed confidentially agreements they are not saying much of anything.
Why didnt they find any evidence you claim they were so worried would be found?
Most of it was gone

Why would it matter if FEMA had trouble early on if you also believe they are the ones that are covering everything up with their fraudulent unscientific report?
I never said FEMA and certainly not BPAT were the problem. Their report while still lacking in many ways is much better than NIST's. Want the proof hardly anyone here cites it.


Why, if they are the ones covering everything up, were independent experts from SEAoNY, ASCE and Dr Astaneh-Asl allowed on the site at all?

They were certainly denied documents. http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/groundzero/sciencecommittee_charter.htm But why were they allowed on at all? Maybe just to put spin on it, so people can say the same things you are now.


And why did Hoffman feel the need to quote FEMA out of context to make out that no one actually saved and studied the steel? You claimed it was the best source for information, so how can you read that and come away knowing any of this?

What are you talking about? Right from the page I referenced "During the official investigation controlled by FEMA, one hundred fifty pieces of steel were saved for future study." http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html



Are you happy now? I don't mean to sound arrogant or anything but this will be the last time I do something like that most of these were already answered you just have to read through the thread.

Now let me ask you a question. It's a very simple one or at least you think it would be. This is just one little point in my OP. Go to the Lloyde England video, watch it. Tell me exactly who came on the highway with him? What did he mean it was planned? Don't give me the usual BS about not releasing the whole tapes, beating up an old man etc... That doesn't apply, especially to these points there's not taking it out of context, and I hope you know that. Who did he come onto the highway with? He officially was alone was he not? I would love to hear your answer to this.

 

[Craig4]

Can you prove there was any thermite at all?

Next, you say investigators were not allowed access to the site so we don't know what was going on. Do you have evidence anything nefarious we happening prior to the arrival of the investigators? We don't know means we don't know. What someone could have done is unimportant. Tell us what these bad actors did and come up with evidence for that claim.

ETA: Don't worry you don't come off as arrogant. There are many problems with your "answers" but arrogance is not one of them.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Where to start...

You can't possibly expect me to answer every question can you? I mean I do miss things. Also many of them I have answered in one form or another. Different people asking the same questions.

Since you asked those questions I'll try to answer the ones you posted

Tell me, has Jones or Gage conducted anything similar or just made unsubstantiated pronouncements like you do?
I really don't remember what this is about. I try to not post anything unsubstantiated, I would assume Gage and Jones do as well.

My My, you are very trusting in con men aren't you? Gage has already been shown to use altered images to substantiate his claims. Assume nothing.

Originally Posted by funk de fino View Post
Do you accept that fire can collapse steel framed buildings?
It probably can, but the building would probably not be up to code, or have something else wrong with it. There are some examples of this happening but I believe in all instances there was something wrong with the building.

Would you consider having a 767 loaded with jet fuel slamming into a building a cause to belive something might be wrong with the building?

Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
Citation needed for the "taken away in record time" lie.
That was just an expression. To my knowledge no other 110 story building have collapsed.

So you have nothing to comaper it to and that was just your opinion then? Right, ok that's not a problem but it's also not evidence.

Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
When did the first significant stream of water get to the WTC debris pile? Why no thermite cooking off on the top of a pile that was , in your words, still hot enough to melt aluminum?

I've answered this several times. I told him 4 million gallons of water were dumped onto the site in the first 10 days. I couldn't find when the first water was dumped, I would assume the 12th but I don't know. So given that, and given no investigators were given any type of "access" until at least early October, who knows what was going on.

I'd assume the 11th because there are pictures of it happening then but ok. No investigators were allowed on the scene until at least early October? Really? Now you see I'd have said some investigators because at least then I'd have some wriggle room. Saying no investigators makes you a liar.

Jeebus! how much thermite was still in the debris after collapse?
Many times I've said I can't be sure

Go ahead. Make a guess as to how much you think one would expect to see after what you claimed happened happened. Just make sure that you say it's a guess and show a valid methodology as to how you came up with that guesstimate.

Originally Posted by dafydd View Post
Where did you study engineering and how many computer models have you constructed?

I've said I don't want to give anything out. But I am very far from ashamed of my qualifications I can assure of that.

Fair enough. The problem is that you haven't shown to anyone here through your postings that you actually have any qualifications. If you did we wouldn't be having this conversation because you'd already know that the things that you have posted are flat out wrong. That makes you either a liar about what your level of qualification is, a person with mental health problems or a troll. I'd add a con man to that but you don't appear to be trying to make any money off of this.

Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
So you're ok with believing a complete lie? ...
What complete lie? One quote, that I believe is mis-leading perhaps, but not a lie

I don't have the time to go through your posting history but a person with your "Qualifications" would never make the mistakes that you've made.

Are you ok putting your faith in liars?
I put faith in myself you should try doing the same.

Originally Posted by Edx View Post

None of the investigators that studied the steel says that they were shielded in any nefarious way (that truthers imply) by the powers that be. Why is that? They all have to be in on it again.
They signed confidentially agreements they are not saying much of anything.

Really? You can't come up with anything better than that? They have had plenty to say. NDA's in that situation are to keep them from damaging an investigation in progress (keeping them from poisoning the well so to speak). NDA's are not binding if they are being used to promulgate lies by others.

Why didnt they find any evidence you claim they were so worried would be found?
Most of it was gone

Try again. Every inch and piece of steel was sifted through before being cleared.

Why would it matter if FEMA had trouble early on if you also believe they are the ones that are covering everything up with their fraudulent unscientific report?
I never said FEMA and certainly not BPAT were the problem. Their report while still lacking in many ways is much better than NIST's. Want the proof hardly anyone here cites it.

How is the BPAT better?

Why, if they are the ones covering everything up, were independent experts from SEAoNY, ASCE and Dr Astaneh-Asl allowed on the site at all?

They were certainly denied documents. http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/groundzero/sciencecommittee_charter.htm But why were they allowed on at all? Maybe just to put spin on it, so people can say the same things you are now.

So they were patsies and duped? Well that settles that then...

And why did Hoffman feel the need to quote FEMA out of context to make out that no one actually saved and studied the steel? You claimed it was the best source for information, so how can you read that and come away knowing any of this?

What are you talking about? Right from the page I referenced "During the official investigation controlled by FEMA, one hundred fifty pieces of steel were saved for future study." http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html

Again. 911research is not a good source to use as they have been shown to be less that trustworthy in their analysis due to quotemining to make things appear differently than what was originally said.

Are you happy now? I don't mean to sound arrogant or anything but this will be the last time I do something like that most of these were already answered you just have to read through the thread.

Now let me ask you a question. It's a very simple one or at least you think it would be. This is just one little point in my OP. Go to the Lloyde England video, watch it. Tell me exactly who came on the highway with him? What did he mean it was planned? Don't give me the usual BS about not releasing the whole tapes, beating up an old man etc... That doesn't apply, especially to these points there's not taking it out of context, and I hope you know that. Who did he come onto the highway with? He officially was alone was he not? I would love to hear your answer to this.

If you place too much trust in people with a clear agenda that reflects their bias without even looking to see if they have one. That makes you a fool. If you then try and use those flawed people as your primary sources even when you've been shown that they are lying. That makes you a damn fool and a liar by proxy.

 

[ProBonoShill]

You can't possibly expect me to answer every question can you? I mean I do miss things. Also many of them I have answered in one form or another. Different people asking the same questions.

I try to not post anything unsubstantiated

You need to try harder, A LOT harder.

 

[TJM]

Don't give me the usual BS about not releasing the whole tapes, beating up an old man etc... That doesn't apply, especially to these points there's not taking it out of context, and I hope you know that. Who did he come onto the highway with? He officially was alone was he not? I would love to hear your answer to this.

How can you say things are in context when the raw video was never released ?

 

[triforcharity]

You can't possibly expect me to answer every question can you?

Yes, at least a reasonable amount of them. I stopped after 3 pages. And these were not all of them in 3 pages either. There were many more that I didn't post. I just mearly picked the best one.

I mean I do miss things. Also many of them I have answered in one form or another. Different people asking the same questions.

Since you asked those questions I'll try to answer the ones you posted

Ok.

Tell me, has Jones or Gage conducted anything similar or just made unsubstantiated pronouncements like you do?
I really don't remember what this is about. I try to not post anything unsubstantiated, I would assume Gage and Jones do as well.

Oh, irony is another word you're going to need to learn the definition of.

Originally Posted by funk de fino View Post
Do you accept that fire can collapse steel framed buildings?
It probably can, but the building would probably not be up to code, or have something else wrong with it. There are some examples of this happening but I believe in all instances there was something wrong with the building.

Really? What do you base this information on? That entire statement is a complete and utterly useless drivel, that is absolutely unsubstantiated.

The Charleston SC Fire Department would certainly disagree with you.

Go google Charleston SC sofa store fire.

Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
Citation needed for the "taken away in record time" lie.
That was just an expression. To my knowledge no other 110 story building have collapsed.

No, it's not an expression. It's a lie.

Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
When did the first significant stream of water get to the WTC debris pile? Why no thermite cooking off on the top of a pile that was , in your words, still hot enough to melt aluminum?

I've answered this several times. I told him 4 million gallons of water were dumped onto the site in the first 10 days. I couldn't find when the first water was dumped, I would assume the 12th but I don't know. So given that, and given no investigators were given any type of "access" until at least early October, who knows what was going on.

I do. There you go again with the lies about "no investigators were given any kind of access" lie. The FBI, ATF, FDNY, NYPD, and numerous other state, local, and federal law enforcement agencies, were in fact given complete access. Don't lie like that. It's not very polite.

Jeebus! how much thermite was still in the debris after collapse?
Many times I've said I can't be sure

Give us your educated estimate.

Originally Posted by dafydd View Post
Where did you study engineering and how many computer models have you constructed?
I've said I don't want to give anything out. But I am very far from ashamed of my qualifications I can assure of that.

All you need to do is name your qualifications. You don't have to give us a name.

For instance, here's mine.

16+ years as a professional firefighter.
Masters in Fire Science with a minor in emergency management

Your turn.

Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
So you're ok with believing a complete lie? ...
What complete lie? One quote, that I believe is mis-leading perhaps, but not a lie
Are you ok putting your faith in liars?
I put faith in myself you should try doing the same.

So, you think that something that says "FEMA denied access" is misleading? You don't think that is a lie? I've shown that it's ABSOLUTELY NOT true.

I have no problem putting faith in my own skills. I have published (to date) about 75 articles in different educational journals about emergency management, especially in mass casualty events, and over 2 dozen different peer-reviewed, scientific papers, published in peer-reviewed journals.

Yeah, I have no problem with putting faith in myself.

Originally Posted by Edx View Post

None of the investigators that studied the steel says that they were shielded in any nefarious way (that truthers imply) by the powers that be. Why is that? They all have to be in on it again.
They signed confidentially agreements they are not saying much of anything.

This is a lie. The confidentiality agreement expired when the FEMA report was published.

Why didnt they find any evidence you claim they were so worried would be found?
Most of it was gone

Yes, to Fresh Kills landfill, where it was sorted, sifted, and examined for any evidence.

Do you know they also found $78,318.47?

http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibits/longterm/documents/recovery.pdf

That is why you shouldn't speak about something you clearly are uneducated about.

Why would it matter if FEMA had trouble early on if you also believe they are the ones that are covering everything up with their fraudulent unscientific report?
I never said FEMA and certainly not BPAT were the problem. Their report while still lacking in many ways is much better than NIST's. Want the proof hardly anyone here cites it.

I disagree. FEMA's analysis was limited, and was above and beyond their capabilities and resources. Hence, they defaulted it to the NIST. They could get the time and resources to do a more in-depth and accurate analysis. They did.

Why, if they are the ones covering everything up, were independent experts from SEAoNY, ASCE and Dr Astaneh-Asl allowed on the site at all?

They were certainly denied documents. http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/groundzero/sciencecommittee_charter.htm But why were they allowed on at all? Maybe just to put spin on it, so people can say the same things you are now.

Huh? They were never denied documents. Denied is permanant. Delayed is not. Do you not understand that?

Can you expand on the second part?

And why did Hoffman feel the need to quote FEMA out of context to make out that no one actually saved and studied the steel? You claimed it was the best source for information, so how can you read that and come away knowing any of this?

What are you talking about? Right from the page I referenced "During the official investigation controlled by FEMA, one hundred fifty pieces of steel were saved for future study." http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html

Not what YOU referenced, what Hoffman said. Unless you're one and the same.....

Are you happy now?

No,my glass of Crown Royal XR is empty, and my wife is sleeping.
Secondly, you STILL continue to lie, even after I have shown it to be a lie.

Sorry, you're clearly a liar.

I don't mean to sound arrogant or anything

The MA prevents me from explaining what you really sounded like.....

but this will be the last time I do something like that most of these were already answered you just have to read through the thread.

So, this is the last time that you'll answer questions that were never addresses previously? Or the last time you'll post lies?

Now let me ask you a question. It's a very simple one or at least you think it would be. This is just one little point in my OP. Go to the Lloyde England video, watch it. Tell me exactly who came on the highway with him?

I honestly don;t know much about the events of the Pentagon, beyond the fire and emergency response side, so I have no idea, nor do I much care. It's not really an area that I have studied, nor does it interest me. Perhaps you should ask someone else.

What did he mean it was planned?

No clue.

Don't give me the usual BS about not releasing the whole tapes, beating up an old man etc... That doesn't apply, especially to these points there's not taking it out of context, and I hope you know that. Who did he come onto the highway with? He officially was alone was he not?

I have no idea, nor do I claim to know anything relating to the Pentagon. If you look through my last ~2,000 posts, you'll see I rarely address Pentagon topics. It's not a huge interest to me, and it's outside my area of expertiese.

I would love to hear your answer to this.

I would love to be able to, but unless you want to discuss fire, or firefighting of some sort, or emergency management, it's not my area of expertiese.

Sorry champ.

 

[Craig4]

You can't possibly expect me to answer every question can you? I mean I do miss things. Also many of them I have answered in one form or another. Different people asking the same questions.

snip

Yes, we do expect you to answer questions about your ideas. They are your ideas if you can't defend them then clearly it's your ideas that need to change.

 

[beachnut]

... The piloting of the plane would not have been left to human hands. ....

Another delusion.

 

[bill smith]

Yes I'm sure there would have been a contingency plan, but a plane missing the building I think would have been a big deal. The piloting of the plane would not have been left to human hands.

Yes something like you described is probably what would have been done. But I think it would be big problems. Perhaps even the official story would have changed, that there were explosives found, not thermite or anything like that. I don't know, it's certainly a good thought what would have happened if a plane missed.

Even if the plane had been under remote control (flt175) the slightest of slight glitches would have caused it to miss the building. It was travelling at 880 feet per second and would have been in the ground or another building in a little over a second. It would have been vital to cover that contingency. 'Finding' Anthrax or another biological agent in the building would have covered all the bases for them. Instant quarantine of the building- nobody in-nobody out and evacuation of the immediate area. That would give them unlimited time and space to do whatever they had to do to remove or hide the evidence of the planned controlled demolition.

Nothing else that I can think of covers this contingency, And- by another 9/11 coincidence a full-scale biowarfare exercise team had moved into position at the Twin Towers on the night before 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFgsXHPvvMA&feature=related Kearney tripod 2

 

[Craig4]

Even if the plane had been under remote control (flt175) the slightest of slight glitches would have caused it to miss the building. It was travelling at 880 feet per second and would have been in the ground or another building in a little over a second. It would have been vital to cover that contingency. 'Finding' Anthrax or another biological agent in the building would have covered all the bases for them. Instant quarantine of the building- nobody in-nobody out and evacuation of the immediate area. That would give them unlimited time and space to do whatever they had to do to remove or hide the evidence of the planned controlled demolition.

Nothing else that I can think of covers this contingency, And- by another 9/11 coincidence a full-scale biowarfare exercise team had moved into position at the Twin Towers on the night before 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFgsXHPvvMA&feature=related Kearney tripod 2

Once again you're talking about what someone could have done. What did they do?

 

[triforcharity]

Bumper dumper for TMD. I wonder where my little ball of string went....

 

[tmd2_1]

Even if the plane had been under remote control (flt175) the slightest of slight glitches would have caused it to miss the building. It was travelling at 880 feet per second and would have been in the ground or another building in a little over a second. It would have been vital to cover that contingency. 'Finding' Anthrax or another biological agent in the building would have covered all the bases for them. Instant quarantine of the building- nobody in-nobody out and evacuation of the immediate area. That would give them unlimited time and space to do whatever they had to do to remove or hide the evidence of the planned controlled demolition.

Nothing else that I can think of covers this contingency, And- by another 9/11 coincidence a full-scale biowarfare exercise team had moved into position at the Twin Towers on the night before 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFgsXHPvvMA&feature=related Kearney tripod 2

Yes you are probably right. They may not have even needed to disguise it with Bio-warfare. Just said we needed to do a search of the building for "safety". But yes Bio-warfare would be the most likely way to go.

 

[tmd2_1]

Yes, we do expect you to answer questions about your ideas. They are your ideas if you can't defend them then clearly it's your ideas that need to change.

I try to answer any and all questions. I meant that, for instance if I miss something. There are many of you and one of me. I also get repeat questions, and sometimes questions that clearly aren't worth answering. But I do try to get to everything of merit.

 

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Yes, at least a reasonable amount of them. I stopped after 3 pages. And these were not all of them in 3 pages either. There were many more that I didn't post. I just mearly picked the best one.



Ok.



Oh, irony is another word you're going to need to learn the definition of.



Really? What do you base this information on? That entire statement is a complete and utterly useless drivel, that is absolutely unsubstantiated.

The Charleston SC Fire Department would certainly disagree with you.

Go google Charleston SC sofa store fire.




No, it's not an expression. It's a lie.



I do. There you go again with the lies about "no investigators were given any kind of access" lie. The FBI, ATF, FDNY, NYPD, and numerous other state, local, and federal law enforcement agencies, were in fact given complete access. Don't lie like that. It's not very polite.




Give us your educated estimate.



All you need to do is name your qualifications. You don't have to give us a name.

For instance, here's mine.

16+ years as a professional firefighter.
Masters in Fire Science with a minor in emergency management

Your turn.



So, you think that something that says "FEMA denied access" is misleading? You don't think that is a lie? I've shown that it's ABSOLUTELY NOT true.

I have no problem putting faith in my own skills. I have published (to date) about 75 articles in different educational journals about emergency management, especially in mass casualty events, and over 2 dozen different peer-reviewed, scientific papers, published in peer-reviewed journals.

Yeah, I have no problem with putting faith in myself.



This is a lie. The confidentiality agreement expired when the FEMA report was published.




Yes, to Fresh Kills landfill, where it was sorted, sifted, and examined for any evidence.

Do you know they also found $78,318.47?

http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibits/longterm/documents/recovery.pdf

That is why you shouldn't speak about something you clearly are uneducated about.



I disagree. FEMA's analysis was limited, and was above and beyond their capabilities and resources. Hence, they defaulted it to the NIST. They could get the time and resources to do a more in-depth and accurate analysis. They did.




Huh? They were never denied documents. Denied is permanant. Delayed is not. Do you not understand that?

Can you expand on the second part?




Not what YOU referenced, what Hoffman said. Unless you're one and the same.....



No,my glass of Crown Royal XR is empty, and my wife is sleeping.
Secondly, you STILL continue to lie, even after I have shown it to be a lie.

Sorry, you're clearly a liar.



The MA prevents me from explaining what you really sounded like.....



So, this is the last time that you'll answer questions that were never addresses previously? Or the last time you'll post lies?



I honestly don;t know much about the events of the Pentagon, beyond the fire and emergency response side, so I have no idea, nor do I much care. It's not really an area that I have studied, nor does it interest me. Perhaps you should ask someone else.



No clue.



I have no idea, nor do I claim to know anything relating to the Pentagon. If you look through my last ~2,000 posts, you'll see I rarely address Pentagon topics. It's not a huge interest to me, and it's outside my area of expertiese.




I would love to be able to, but unless you want to discuss fire, or firefighting of some sort, or emergency management, it's not my area of expertiese.

Sorry champ.

Ok let me address the things worth addressing. First I've said I don't want to give any information about myself at all. It is my prerogative, I certainly am not violating any rules. I am also not being hypocritical as I have never asked anyone for any information about themselves.

What do I want to base the steel frame collapses on? It's all right here. Very interesting stuff. http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2011/06/other-collapses-in-perspective_04.html

I was asked about independent researchers. Right here "The building owners, designers and insurers, prevented independent researchers from gaining access – and delayed the BPAT team in gaining access – to pertinent building documents largely because of liability concerns."

I was saying if there was a conspiracy, you could let independent researchers on long after anything of value is already gone, deny them stuff, and then people like you would say "Hey they let independent researchers on" When in fact it didn't matter.

I thought the confidentiality agreement was ongoing if I'm wrong I apologize.

I'm not really concerned with how much thermite was there or not. I'm more concerned with IF it was there. Because there obviously had to be enough to do the job. I would suggest you take a similar approach.

Let me make this clear I am not Hoffman nor do I have anything to do with the creation or maintenance of his website. That link was the exact same link I sent you before. You can look at the previous posts.

Listen I really don't want to go back and forth with whether Hoffman lied or not. You believe he is... fine, I don't, I also look at the other great information he has on the site as well.

Also if you want to be technical about it, the record time statement has to be fact. I don't believe two 110 story buildings have ever collapsed on the same day before. So whatever time the clean up was in, is in fact a record.

This brings me to the most important part of my post.
You say you don't know who came on the highway with Lloyde England, fair enough, neither do I. But I can tell you who it wasn't, and that's OBL, KSM, or any member of AQ. You do realize that this would make the whole official story false right? There's no real way to spin it, you can't say anything about leading questions, or not releasing the whole tape, that part is completely self contained. So here we have a very basic matter and you are not sure of the answer to this very basic question. But this simple matter will make the whole official story false (if it is true that is), and think how small it is in the grand scheme of 9/11. And you want to go on wholeheartedly believing the official story. I really don't get it, I just don't. But as I said anyone with a somewhat open mind reading this, can see just how much members will adhere to their dogma. Is it really that hard to just try to open yourself up a little bit to an alternative theory? I really don't understand it.

 

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that part is completely self contained.

You don't know that.