Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

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mrkinnies said:
If you took a random sample of people walking down one street and asked them about the details of 9/11, I very much doubt whether even one percent of those people could tell you what plane was meant to have hit the Pentagon, who was allegedly flying the planes, which of the twin towers fell first, what FAA protocol is for planes which unexpectedly change course or that WTC7 even collapsed. Yet they believe in the story anyway because the powers that be and the media told them it happened.
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No,they believe it because they can think.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
And that change had what effect on the report? Thats right, none at all. It wasn't important to NIST because its not important to anyone but twoofers.
No one cares how fast a building falls once its falling 1g or 1.3g doesn't affect the result. The building is toast and so are the folks in it.
What caused the failure is the important bit not what happened once it had.

Someone pointed out a minor error in the description of the fall, and they corrected that minor error. Thats all.
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The freefall incident is not important for you? LOL.

Wait, i guess you are a physicist??
 
A second request: does anyone have easy access to more pictures of the tilting of Building 7? Still working on Bill on this one. The one we just put out a couple pages back is pretty compelling, the best picture I could find.

When I was skeptical but undecided about controlled demolition, some of the arguments that carried weight for me as a total layman included:

1) OMG no tall steel framed building has ever collapsed before due to fire, and now three in one day? Yeah there's a first time for everything, but three firsts in one day??
2) Those buildings sure came down fast and straight. Gage says they should have tipped over because fires create random, irregular damage so the collapse should not be so symmetrical.
3) How could the South Tower have tilted 22 degrees then righted itself? Shouldn't angular momentum have taken over and tipped it all the way?
And then of course there are all those questions I asked NIST, which are Gage's toughest.

The point here is that I don't consider myself insane for having considered these questions. As it turns out I now understand that there are solid scientific answers to all these questions. But I see in Clayton and others some of the same concerns I once had. Maybe that's why I'm so patient, because I was so P.O.'ed at Bush for starting the Iraq War on false pretenses of WMDs I could believe almost anything about them.

But outrage at injustice and disgust at the political handling of the 9/11 Commission doesn't change the science, and I'm thoroughly convinced the science ain't there to support CD.
 
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Edx said:
If they arent truthers why would you want to use a structural engineer to help you work on a building that according to truthers doesn't understand that laws of physics?

Also, if you are going to be treated by a doctor doesnt believe in a germ theory is that irrelevant to you as well?
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mrkinnies said:
It's relevant to the principle you gave. Doctors don't just deal with germs you know, they deal with all sorts of matters including giving out contraception and associated advice. The point I was making is that my wife is happy to offer contraceptive advice based on a patients needs and my wife's medical knowledge. Her colleague on the other hand factors in her own religious beliefs too. In other words, her medical advice maybe somewhat distorted by her beliefs which is akin to visiting a doctor who gives germ advice but who's underlying beliefs differ from normal medical knowledge.
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:jaw-dropp

ETA - another "architect" that can't use apostrophes correctly, mixing up possessive with contractions. A truther "tell" if ever there was one.
 
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200 technical experts, to explain the collapse of wtc 7.

And no one has noticed the free fall LOL

But a highschool teacher can...

Strange debunkers ignoring this.... Very strange....
 
carlitos said:
:jaw-dropp

ETA - another "architect" that can't use apostrophes correctly, mixing up possessive with contractions. A truther "tell" if ever there was one.
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Perhaps you'd care to explain?

If you're picking on who's then you'd be right. I was writing quickly. So what? That proves that all truthers are incompetent does it? How silly!

Why not discuss the collapse of WTC7 instead?
 
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chrismohr said:
A second request: does anyone have easy access to more pictures of the tilting of Building 7? Still working on Bill on this one. The one we just put out a couple pages back is pretty compelling, the best picture I could find.

When I was skeptical but undecided about controlled demolition, some of the arguments that carried weight for me as a total layman included:

1) OMG no tall steel framed building has ever collapsed before due to fire, and now three in one day? Yeah there's a first time for everything, but three firsts in one day??
2) Those buildings sure came down fast and straight. Gage says they should have tipped over because fires create random, irregular damage so the collapse should not be so symmetrical.
3) How could the South Tower have tilted 22 degrees then righted itself? Shouldn't angular momentum have taken over and tipped it all the way?
And then of course there are all those questions I asked NIST, which are Gage's toughest.

The point here is that I don't consider myself insane for having considered these questions. As it turns out I now understand that there are solid scientific answers to all these questions. But I see in Clayton and others some of the same concerns I once had. Maybe that's why I'm so patient, because I was so P.O.'ed at Bush for starting the Iraq War on false pretenses of WMDs I could believe almost anything about them.

But outrage at injustice and disgust at the political handling of the 9/11 Commission doesn't change the science, and I'm thoroughly convinced the science ain't there to support CD.
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When you say a'tilt' Chris I assume thast you mean a tilt while the building was still standing prior to any collapse. I don't see a tilt in that case. But if you mean a slight tilt or jerk towards the east after the building began to fall I have no problem with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A collapse WTC71
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRkQ7Tr9Q3o&feature=player_embedded

PS Are both these videos from the North side ?
 
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Marokkaan said:
200 technical experts, to explain the collapse of wtc 7.

And no one has noticed the free fall LOL

But a highschool teacher can...

Strange debunkers ignoring this.... Very strange....
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400+ professors don't know that WTC7 DID NOT completely collapse in less than 7 seconds, but everyone does?

Strange truthers ignoring this... Very strange...
 
mrkinnies said:
Exactly, and when the truth movement proves the official story is wrong, everyone except the insane will move on to the new reality.
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And when will that be? 10 more years? 20? 100?

At the rate of recruitment in 911 cults, that's never going to happen. You will never get out of being a lunatic fringe...
 
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chrismohr said:
A second request: does anyone have easy access to more pictures of the tilting of Building 7? Still working on Bill on this one. The one we just put out a couple pages back is pretty compelling, the best picture I could find.

When I was skeptical but undecided about controlled demolition, some of the arguments that carried weight for me as a total layman included:

1) OMG no tall steel framed building has ever collapsed before due to fire, and now three in one day? Yeah there's a first time for everything, but three firsts in one day??
2) Those buildings sure came down fast and straight. Gage says they should have tipped over because fires create random, irregular damage so the collapse should not be so symmetrical.
3) How could the South Tower have tilted 22 degrees then righted itself? Shouldn't angular momentum have taken over and tipped it all the way?And then of course there are all those questions I asked NIST, which are Gage's toughest.

The point here is that I don't consider myself insane for having considered these questions. As it turns out I now understand that there are solid scientific answers to all these questions. But I see in Clayton and others some of the same concerns I once had. Maybe that's why I'm so patient, because I was so P.O.'ed at Bush for starting the Iraq War on false pretenses of WMDs I could believe almost anything about them.

But outrage at injustice and disgust at the political handling of the 9/11 Commission doesn't change the science, and I'm thoroughly convinced the science ain't there to support CD.
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Is that how you phrased Richard Gage's question to NIST ? What really happened was that the top section tilted the 22 degrees and then the entire bottom of the building fell away beneath it. THere was no question of it righting itself.
 
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mrkinnies and bill have the same schtick:

"Oh, we will prevail. You'll see. You'll ALL see...AAAAAAAAAny day now... The official story is DOOMED. DOOMED I SAY!!!!11!!!!1!"

It's funny as hell coming from an insignificant little cult. Jesus is coming. AAAAAAAAny day now....and when he does he's going to be pissed!
 
twinstead said:
mrkinnies and bill have the same schtick:

"Oh, we will prevail. You'll see. You'll ALL see...AAAAAAAAAny day now... The official story is DOOMED. DOOMED I SAY!!!!11!!!!1!"

It's funny as hell coming from an insignificant little cult. Jesus is coming. AAAAAAAAny day now....and when he does he's going to be pissed!
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You should cross yourself quickly Twinstead before lightning strikes you.
 
twinstead said:
mrkinnies and bill have the same schtick:

"Oh, we will prevail. You'll see. You'll ALL see...AAAAAAAAAny day now... The official story is DOOMED. DOOMED I SAY!!!!11!!!!1!"

It's funny as hell coming from an insignificant little cult. Jesus is coming. AAAAAAAAny day now....and when he does he's going to be pissed!
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This is why 911 kooks troll the internet, this is why they come here even, to a skeptics forum of all places. Because they are brainwashed into thinking that by doing so they will eventually manipulate everyone to believe them and they will save the world. As bill says in his sig "A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough"

Most cults have some way to convince their minions to obsessively go out and "spread the word", so that the cult recruits and survives. It's usually given some noble spin like "saving" us all from some boogieman, or spreading "truth". The leaders always need and want more sheep to fleece...
 
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Marokkaan said:
The freefall incident is not important for you? LOL.

Wait, i guess you are a physicist??
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No, I'm a Mech Eng., and yes the apparent freefall for a short period of time is not important to me as I can think of several mechanisms through which it could happen. Its a curiosity, no more.

Its also not important to NIST either as its near the end of the collapse progression, long after (relatively speaking) the initiation event.


Its important to you? Wait, I guess you're a twoofer??
 
bill smith said:
Is that how you phrased Richard Gage's question to NIST ? What really happened was that the top section tilted the 22 degrees and then the entire bottom of the building fell away beneath it. THere was no question of it righting itself.
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Fell away beneath it? :D Just too funny. What was holding it up whilst the rest fell away? Wile E Coyote?
 
sheeplesnshills said:
Fell away beneath it? :D Just too funny. What was holding it up whilst the rest fell away? Wile E Coyote?
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I should have been clearer and said:-

''Is that how you phrased Richard Gage's question to NIST ? What really happened was that the top section tilted the 22 degrees and then the entire bottom of the building fell away beneath it. Almost as if somebody had pulled the plug.''
 
The Platypus said:
This is why 911 kooks troll the internet, this is why they come here even, to a skeptics forum of all places. Because they are brainwashed into thinking that by doing so they will eventually manipulate everyone to believe them and they will save the world. As bill says in his sig "A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough"

Most cults have some way to convince their minions to obsessively go out and "spread the word", so that the cult recruits and survives. It's usually given some noble spin like "saving" us all from some boogieman, or spreading "truth". The leaders always need and want more sheep to fleece...
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Your words ring true for the debunkers too. Perhaps you should look at what history tells us. Here's a quote from Goring during the Nuremberg Trials;

Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

Looks like the debunkers were brought to the bidding of their leaders or fooled in plain english.
 
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