Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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Patrick1000 said:
take a shot at my argument drewid. Let's see if you can debunk the truth. Not my truth, THE truth.
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Here is an analog of the argument you are feebly trying to present:

"I claim there is an invisible pink unicorn living in my garden. Prove me wrong"

That is the sum of all you have.
 
Yet to determine what they did use

abaddon said:
According to you:



Yet then:



You are still avoiding the question asked.

If the few at the top hoodwinked the 400,000 scientists and engineers into designing and building and testing a working spaceship, capable of bringing 3 astronauts to the moon and back, why did they not use t was done with an unmanned craft.

Since the astronauts were not on the moon, they feared lasers. Not necessarily just "our own" ruby red laser at Lick Observatory, but any laser. You see, others could not take a picture of the landing site to prove or disporve the landing's authenticity, but they could shine light from the earth, and just like the argon laser filmed/photographed in 1968 by surveyor VII, it would be anticipated for a laser image to appear in astronaut filmings/photos, if they were shots that included the earth at a time when anybody's laser was fired.

This by the way is why Alan Bean purposely breaks the tv camera during the Apollo 12 mission. Because everyone including the Russians and French know those guys are supposed to be at the Surveyor 3 site. It can easily be targeted. If the Russians or French or whomever shoot a laser of any type, one at least as bright and visible as the 1968 Surveyor VII filmed argon laser, then the light should appear in video, photos of the earth.

Astronauts feared stars because to see stars was to admit to being able to see lasers, and lasers of any sort would be expected to show up on imaging. The astronauts were never on the moon. so the absence of these images would prove Apollo bogus. More, with good detail and references galore to follow abaddon.
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Yet to determine what they did use

abaddon said:
According to you:



Yet then:



You are still avoiding the question asked.

If the few at the top hoodwinked the 400,000 scientists and engineers into designing and building and testing a working spaceship, capable of bringing 3 astronauts to the moon and back, why did they not use the spaceship?
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I am proceeding step by step here abaddon. so far, we can see this Apollo 11 mission as utterly bogus, many of the details, most in fact, are yet to be filled in, revealed. I cannot say yet what went on exactly. I cannot provide all of the details as of yet. But I have proven fraud without a doubt.

We know the Apollo 11 astronauts did not place the LRRR on the surface of the moon. It was done with an unmanned craft.

Since the astronauts were not on the moon, they feared lasers. Not necessarily just "our own" ruby red laser at Lick Observatory, but any laser. You see, others could not take a picture of the landing site to prove or disporve the landing's authenticity, but they could shine light from the earth, and just like the argon laser filmed/photographed in 1968 by surveyor VII, it would be anticipated for a laser image to appear in astronaut filmings/photos, if they were shots that included the earth at a time when anybody's laser was fired.

This by the way is why Alan Bean purposely breaks the tv camera during the Apollo 12 mission. Because everyone including the Russians and French know those guys are supposed to be at the Surveyor 3 site. It can easily be targeted. If the Russians or French or whomever shoot a laser of any type, one at least as bright and visible as the 1968 Surveyor VII filmed argon laser, then the light should appear in video, photos of the earth.

Astronauts feared stars because to see stars was to admit to being able to see lasers, and lasers of any sort would be expected to show up on imaging. The astronauts were never on the moon. so the absence of these images would prove Apollo bogus. More, with good detail and references galore to follow abaddon.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Since the astronauts were not on the moon, they feared lasers. Not necessarily just "our own" ruby red laser at Lick Observatory, but any laser. You see, others could not take a picture of the landing site to prove or disporve the landing's authenticity, but they could shine light from the earth, and just like the argon laser filmed/photographed in 1968 by surveyor VII, it would be anticipated for a laser image to appear in astronaut filmings/photos, if they were shots that included the earth at a time when anybody's laser was fired.

This by the way is why Alan Bean purposely breaks the tv camera during the Apollo 12 mission. Because everyone including the Russians and French know those guys are supposed to be at the Surveyor 3 site. It can easily be targeted. If the Russians or French or whomever shoot a laser of any type, one at least as bright and visible as the 1968 Surveyor VII filmed argon laser, then the light should appear in video, photos of the earth.

Astronauts feared stars because to see stars was to admit to being able to see lasers, and lasers of any sort would be expected to show up on imaging. The astronauts were never on the moon. so the absence of these images would prove Apollo bogus. More, with good detail and references galore to follow abaddon.
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Evasion of the question noted.

Once again, if a working spacecraft was built, why was it not used?
 
Is anybody going to tell Patrick that, in general, lasers in real life aren't like they are in the movies and need filters in order to be viewed?
 
Surveyor IV

excaza said:
Is anybody going to tell Patrick that, in general, lasers in real life aren't like they are in the movies and need filters in order to be viewed?
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The opning point excaza is that surveyor VII did film a laser, so laser light would be expected to show up on the videos. It had already been done with a very weak laser.

Aldrin did see a laser. Try this, pop "laser" into the search functuion for the Apollo 11 voice transcript. Aldrin sees the laser just after they leave the moon. He is quized about it by Houston on day 6 of the journey. I would quote it for you but gotta' run.
 
same for you abaddon

abaddon said:
Why? His misconceptions provide amusement.
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Same for you abaddon . It is easy for you to find the surveyor VII argon laser pictures on the net. Also, as above, Aldrin saw a laser from the EAgle and Armstrong confirmed the sighting later to Houston.

Follow the steps I gave above for the search and you will see this to be true. I would do it for you but gotta' go.
 
lasers!!!!

finally, note how the astronauts see the laser when they do not have a tv or photo camera in their hands while they are supposed to actually be on the surface of the moon. they claim to see a laser later, when imaging of it would not be expected. much much much more on this with excellent referencing later.
 
Patrick1000 said:
The opning point excaza is that surveyor VII did film a laser, so laser light would be expected to show up on the videos. It had already been done with a very weak laser.

Aldrin did see a laser. Try this, pop "laser" into the search functuion for the Apollo 11 voice transcript. Aldrin sees the laser just after they leave the moon. He is quized about it by Houston on day 6 of the journey. I would quote it for you but gotta' run.
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Provide a link, or are you just too lazy and want to waste other peoples time?
 
Why didn't any of the contracting companies that built the hardware for NASA think it was a hoax?
All those engineers and designers that built rocket motors, space suits the PLSS packs, computers, Command Module, Lunar Module and on and on thought they were building real hardware that worked.
Some of the designs and hardware were used for other later missions.

Why didn't any of them notice it was all fake?

If it was all real and could do the job the designers and builders thought it could do, why wasn't it used?
 
Patrick1000 said:
Same for you abaddon . It is easy for you to find the surveyor VII argon laser pictures on the net. Also, as above, Aldrin saw a laser from the EAgle and Armstrong confirmed the sighting later to Houston.

Follow the steps I gave above for the search and you will see this to be true. I would do it for you but gotta' go.
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Not the same kind of laser signal as on the LRRR experiments. Of course a doctor would know the difference right? Right?
 
Patrick1000 said:
finally, note how the astronauts see the laser when they do not have a tv or photo camera in their hands while they are supposed to actually be on the surface of the moon. they claim to see a laser later, when imaging of it would not be expected. much much much more on this with excellent referencing later.
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All this laser chatter yet still you avoid the simple question.

If all the engineers and scientists build a fully working spacecraft, why did they not simply go?
 
Patrick1000 said:
Aldrin did see a laser. Try this, pop "laser" into the search functuion for the Apollo 11 voice transcript. Aldrin sees the laser just after they leave the moon. He is quized about it by Houston on day 6 of the journey. I would quote it for you but gotta' run.
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After they leave the Moon? Aldrin sees a laser.

OK.

Did I get that right, you are using what you say is a fictional account, to prove your own REAL fictional account is true?:rolleyes:
 
At this point in time, more likely than not it is not functional

abaddon said:
All this laser chatter yet still you avoid the simple question.

If all the engineers and scientists build a fully working spacecraft, why did they not simply go?
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We have demonstrated the telemetry, the Apollo 11 Mission Report and the Apollo 11 Mission itself to all be fraudulent. As such, it is more likely than not to be the case that we shall find the spacecraft built by the NASA contractors would not have been a competent craft such that it could reach the moon. This conjecture, though strongly grounded in some very good evidence, is not a certainty however.

We can say, with utter conviction, that as of the time of the Apollo 11 Mission's completion, as of the time of the fraudulent Apollo 11 capsule splashdown, there had never been a successful lunar landing. As such, as of 07/24/1969, the day of the feigned Apollo 11 capsule return, we have no reason to believe a spacecraft was in existence capable of landing on the moon.

Given Alan Bean's apparent star/laser phobia as well, I suspect I will be concluding the same about the Apollo 12 Mission. But for now , Apollo 11 is US CERTIFIED fake , and at this time, there is nothing evidence wise to even remotely convince me that NASA had a spaceship that worked, worked in the sense of being able to land men on the moon.
 
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Patrick1000 said:
Same for you abaddon . It is easy for you to find the surveyor VII argon laser pictures on the net.
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Here you go.



The picture is clearly overexposed, from the fact that the bright side of the Earth shows up as featureless white with a massive halo, and even so the two lasers are only faintly visible on the night side. On a TV signal with a sensible exposure they'd be completely invisible. They're so weak, in fact, that they might not even have been powerful enough to incinerate Neil Armstrong if he opened his visor.

The suggestion that "any laser" would have been visible on a TV picture is complete rubbish.

Dave
 
Debunk or split

dafydd said:
Life is to short to waste time reading your screeds of nonsense.
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It is a free planet dafydd. You are welcome to debunk, read without comment or not. I do not understand why you are here if it is such a waste of time?
 
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