Is Islam an evil religion?

[JudeBrando]

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The monotheists are all "people of THE book!"
Guess which book that is?
Just has different names.
Talmud, Torah, Bible, Quran... same book. Same imaginary big sky daddy.

"People of The Book" is a Muslim reference to Christians and Jews.

On the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem it says "God does not beget and has not begotten." It is an explicit denial of the Christ of Christianity.

In the first video link I posted, Muslims say the greatest sin is polytheism. Again, a explicit denial of the Trinity of Christianity.

 

[Dayan81]

Sorry, that wasn't really directed at your specific words, despite the fact that I replied to you.

Just pointing out that trying to say Islam is only about submission to God, while Christianity and Judaism aren't (as JudeBrando was trying to claim),...

Is Jude claiming this? That is very silly. The whole Covenant with the Hebrews was about submitting to God's laws & rules. Submit to his rules and the Jews would be rewarded. Disobey his rules and the Jews would be punished.

So yes, Judaism is about submission to God just as much as Islam is.

 

[DC]

"People of The Book" is a Muslim reference to Christians and Jews.

On the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem it says "God does not beget and has not begotten." It is an explicit denial of the Christ of Christianity.

In the first video link I posted, Muslims say the greatest sin is polytheism. Again, a explicit denial of the Trinity of Christianity.

but your god is then not the god of Israel. in Judaism your Jesus is not seen as a prophet and sure not as god himself.

so Judasim, Christianity and Islam have their own god?

 

[Dayan81]

...In the first video link I posted, Muslims say the greatest sin is polytheism. Again, a explicit denial of the Trinity of Christianity.

How does this pertain to the discussion? The God of the Torah is the same God as the God of the New Testament, which is the same God of the Koran.

True, Judaism, Christianity, & Islam all have slightly different understandings of the same God.

Judaism believes that God is eternally One. Christianity believes that God has become three parts..of the same one God. Islam believes like Judaism, that God is still only one..but Jesus has come as his Messiah and Prophet.

However, all three faith still believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob as the one and only true God.

 

[I Ratant]

"People of The Book" is a Muslim reference to Christians and Jews.

On the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem it says "God does not beget and has not begotten." It is an explicit denial of the Christ of Christianity.

In the first video link I posted, Muslims say the greatest sin is polytheism. Again, a explicit denial of the Trinity of Christianity.

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The "Dome of the Rock" is in a state of continuous warfare among all the cults that venerate it.
The polytheism of xtianity is on its very face ridiculous.
The Muslims just cut that ridiculous out, while putting in other equally ridiculous stuff.

 

[Brian-M]

"Israel" means "wrestles with God."

Which do you prefer- engage or submit?

How about flee?

Allah is not the God of Israel.

According to the Qur'an he is. It's very clear on that point, regardless of whether or not "Allah" is translated as "God"...

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

Looking at some quotes from this site, the Jews supposedly changed or omitted sections of the holy text Allah gave to them (presumably the Torah, AKA Old Testament) and so Allah cursed them...

[5.12] And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them twelve chieftains; and Allah said: Surely I am with you; if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and believe in My apostles and assist them and offer to Allah a goodly gift, I will most certainly cover your evil deeds, and I will most certainly cause you to enter into gardens beneath which rivers flow, but whoever disbelieves from among you after that, he indeed shall lose the right way.

[5.13] But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others).

 

[JudeBrando]

Keep in mind that many bigots...

Bigot- That would not be you, that would be anybody that disagrees with you, right?

 

[JudeBrando]

JudeBrando

Eloi eloi lama sabachthani. That's Jesus quoting Psalm 22, using a Semitic word for god, similar to "Allah". The Persians speak a language of the same family as the main European tongues, so according to wiki: In short, their word is like the English word. Also, the people of Malta, who claim their island is the oldest Christian country - from Paul's shipwreck there - call god "Alla", simply because their language is a form of Arabic. See wiki on Allah:

Semitic word for god - any god - used by Jews, Christians, Muslims and others, is Eloi, Allah, or something of the kind. Indo-European words for god, used by Christians, Muslims and others, include God, Khoda, and so on. Got it? Word determined by language, not religion.

So anything anyone says of "God" means they all are speaking of the same God and everything they say is true? If I make up a God and call it God or Allah or Elohim and make up His teachings, would they and should they then be considered as the same teachings and equally valid of the same God of the Bible? Of course not.

 

[I Ratant]

So anything anyone says of "God" means they all are speaking of the same God and everything they say is true? If I make up a God and call it God or Allah or Elohim and make up His teachings, would they and should they then be considered as the same teachings and equally valid of the same God of the Bible? Of course not Certainly. It all comes from the same basic mental problem, that of believing that silly stuff.

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Ftfy.. it really needed it!

 

[DC]

So anything anyone says of "God" means they all are speaking of the same God and everything they say is true? If I make up a God and call it God or Allah or Elohim and make up His teachings, would they and should they then be considered as the same teachings and equally valid of the same God of the Bible? Of course not.

but many christians do the same with the god of the Jews..

 

[JudeBrando]

dead wrong.
all three religions claim abraham as their 'founder in faith', hence they are known as the abrahamic religions.
all three religions worship the god of abraham and moses.
how many gods did abraham and moses worship?

in arabic translations of the bible, 'god' is called 'allah'.

So you think Allah and Jesus Christ and their alleged teachings are the same?

Why does Islam deny that Jesus is who Christians believe him to be?

Why are so many of the followers of Allah so passionate about killing Jews?

Why does Islam call them both infidels?

 

[DC]

So you think Allah and Jesus Christ and their alleged teachings are the same?

Why does Islam deny that Jesus is who Christians believe him to be?

Why are so many of the followers of Allah so passionate about killing Jews?

Why does Islam call them both infidels?

Islamic

The Arabic word kafir, literally the one who "covers", is usually translated as "disbeliever". For example, in English translations of the Quranic verse, 109:1,[16] the Islamic term is commonly translated into English as infidel.[17][18] In the Islamic doctrinal sense, the term refers to a person who does not recognize the one God (Allah) - atheists and polytheists. Because Islam sees Jews and Christians as fellow believers, they are called "People of the Book (Ahl-e-kitab)" instead.[19][20][21]

Kafir, like infidel, has also come to be regarded as offensive,[22] thus some Muslim scholars discourage its use due to the Quran's command to use kind words.[23] [22] It is even a punishable offense to use this term against a Jew or a Christian, under Islamic law.[22] Some contemporary Muslim extremists, however, have applied the term to all non-Muslims.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel#Islamic

 

[Dayan81]

..Why does Islam deny that Jesus is who Christians believe him to be??..

Islam & Judaism both deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and sits on the throne with his Father in Heaven.

..Why are so many of the followers of Allah so passionate about killing Jews?..

Why are so many followers of the Christ so passionate about killing Muslims?

..Why does Islam call them both infidels?..

Unlike Christianity's views on Islam, Islam considers Jews & Christians to be People of the Book and not "infidels". However, Christianity teaches that all who do not accept Christ as their Lord & Savior earn the fires of Hell.

 

[DC]

Not even all christians belief that trinity myth.

 

[bikerdruid]

So you think Allah and Jesus Christ and their alleged teachings are the same?

Why does Islam deny that Jesus is who Christians believe him to be?

Why are so many of the followers of Allah so passionate about killing Jews?

Why does Islam call them both infidels?

jude, dude...you really need to read the koran.
get the idea out of your mind that islamic whackos, represent the true face of islam.
they are no more true muslims that fred phelps and his crew are true christians.

 

[JudeBrando]

jude, dude...you really need to read the koran.
get the idea out of your mind that islamic whackos, represent the true face of islam.
they are no more true muslims that fred phelps and his crew are true christians.

Simply because I disagree with what you say, you conclude that I have not read the Koran and do not have a copy?

Tell me, bikerdruid, do you consider Mohammad himself and his teachings to be "moderate Muslim" or "extremist Muslim"? Please answer directly.

 

[DC]

Simply because I disagree with what you say, you conclude that I have not read the Koran and do not have a copy?

Tell me, bikerdruid, do you consider Mohammad himself to be a "moderate Muslim" or an "extremist Muslim"?

no because you clearly claim stuff that is contradicting what the koran claims.

 

[A'isha]

do you consider Mohammad himself and his teachings to be "moderate Muslim" or an "extremist Muslim"?

Yes.

 

[Lowpro]

Simply because I disagree with what you say, you conclude that I have not read the Koran and do not have a copy?

Tell me, bikerdruid, do you consider Mohammad himself and his teachings to be "moderate Muslim" or "extremist Muslim"? Please answer directly.

Lol jude, Mohammad's teaching are Muslim, they are neither moderate nor extremist. They can't be, they're the first teachings of Islam. They can't be any adjective OTHER than Islam itself.

I have to believe that if you own a Koran and care to waltz into the argument, you'd do better than this really really really really really bad argument. C'mon Jude, do better please. You're showing exactly how Imam's bully in their views into Islam to actually reach a moderate or extremist result...

 

[Dayan81]

Simply because I disagree with what you say, you conclude that I have not read the Koran and do not have a copy?...

No, but your lies about the teachings of Islam, the views in the Koran, and the beliefs & behavior of modern-day Muslims suggest that you have not read the Koran.