Is Islam an evil religion?

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Allah is not Jesus Christ.

Allah is not the God of the Bible.

Allah is not the God of Israel.


The word Allah is actually TWO words....Al Elah....The God

The word Elah is arabic for Ilah in Aramaic and Eloah in Hebrew.

Elohim is the PLURAL of Eloah.

Here are some verses from the Quran that speak for themselves…. The first number is the Sura number and the second is verse number.

In fact I had a Methodist Reverend friend of mine read some of these verses in the Church and some people thought that the NT related ones were from Acts and the OT related ones were from Samuel or Judges.


3:84 Say (O Muhammad): We believe in God and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

3:55 (And remember) when God said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

2:253 Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom God spake, while some of them He exalted (above others) in degree; and We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of God's Sovereignty) and We supported him with the holy Spirit. And if God had so willed it, those who followed after them would not have fought one with another after the clear proofs had come unto them. But they differed, some of them believing and some disbelieving. And if God had so willed it, they would not have fought one with another; but God doeth what He will.

3:64 Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that [/b]none of us shall take others for lords beside God. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him).

3:65 O People of the Scripture! Why will ye argue about Abraham, when the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him ? Have ye then no sense ?

2:83 And (remember) when We made a covenant with the Children of Israel, (saying): Worship none save God (only), and be good to parents and to kindred and to orphans and the needy, and speak kindly to mankind; and establish worship and pay the poor-due. Then, after that, ye slid back, save a few of you, being averse.

2:122 O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I preferred you to (all) creatures. [this particular phrasing is repeated numerous times throughout the quran]


2:249 And when Saul set out with the army, he said: Lo! God will try you by (the ordeal of) a river. Whosoever therefore drinketh thereof he is not of me, and whosoever tasteth it not he is of me, save him who taketh (thereof) in the hollow of his hand. But they drank thereof, all save a few of them. And after he had crossed (the river), he and those who believed with him, they said: We have no power this day against Goliath and his hosts. But those who knew that they would meet God exclaimed: How many a little company hath overcome a mighty host by God's leave! God is with the steadfast.

2:250 And when they went into the field against Goliath and his hosts they said: Our Lord! Bestow on us endurance, make our foothold sure, and give us help against the disbelieving folk.

2:251 So they routed them by God's leave and David slew Goliath; and God gave him the kingdom and wisdom, and taught him of that which He willeth. And if God had not repelled some men by others the earth would have been corrupted. But God is a Lord of Kindness to (His) creatures.


66:12 And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefore We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

3:35 (Remember) when the wife of 'Imran said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower!
3:36 And when she was delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female - God knew best of what she was delivered - the male is not as the female; and lo! I have named her Mary, and lo! I crave Thy protection for her and for her offspring from Satan the outcast.
3:37 And her Lord accepted her with full acceptance and vouchsafed to her a goodly growth; and made Zachariah her guardian. Whenever Zachariah went into the sanctuary where she was, he found that she had food. He said: O Mary! Whence cometh unto thee this (food) ? She answered: It is from God. God giveth without stint to whom He will.
3:38 Then Zachariah prayed unto his Lord and said: My Lord! Bestow upon me of Thy bounty goodly offspring. Lo! Thou art the Hearer of Prayer.
3:39 And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary: God giveth thee glad tidings of (a son whose name is) John, (who cometh) to confirm a word from God lordly, chaste, a prophet of the righteous.
3:40 He said: My Lord! How can I have a son when age hath overtaken me already and my wife is barren ? (The angel) answered: So (it will be). God doeth what He will.
3:41 He said: My Lord! Appoint a token for me. (The angel) said: The token unto thee (shall be) that thou shalt not speak unto mankind three days except by signs. Remember thy Lord much, and praise (Him) in the early hours of night and morning.
3:42 And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! God hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation.
3:43 O Mary! Be obedient to thy Lord, prostrate thyself and bow with those who bow (in worship).
3:44 This is of the tidings of things hidden. We reveal it unto thee (Muhammad). Thou wast not present with them when they threw their pens (to know) which of them should be the guardian of Mary, nor wast thou present with them when they quarrelled (thereupon).
3:45 (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! God giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto God).
3:46 He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous.
3:47 She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me ? He said: So (it will be). God createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
3:48 And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel,
3:49 And will make him a messenger unto the Children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by God's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by God's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers.
3:50 And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to God and obey me.
3:51 Lo! God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.
3:52 But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of God ? The disciples said: We will be God's helpers. We believe in God, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him).
3:53 Our Lord! We believe in that which Thou hast revealed and we follow him whom Thou hast sent. Enrol us among those who witness (to the truth).
3:54 And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and God schemed (against them): and God is the best of schemers.
 
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Luemas, Darling, IT IS SO GREAT TO SEE YOU HERE AGAIN

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The word Allah is actually TWO words....Al Elah....The God

The word Elah is arabic for Ilah in Aramaic and Eloah in Hebrew.

Elohim is the PLURAL of Eloah...

Keep in mind that many bigots prefer to see Allah as a seperate dirty, ugly, evil monkey-God, while the God of the Jews & Christians is the same God.

Although, there is a member here who actually believes that the God of the Old Testament "Yahweh", is actually an angel and not a God, making the Jews an angel-worshipping religion.

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Luemas, Darling, IT IS SO GREAT TO SEE YOU HERE AGAIN

Only because I see what you're doing and it makes you that much dumber, but maybe Islam is evil but not for the reasons you're proposing.

I think it's evil for lying to kids about the reality of the world and the universe. I think it's evil for pretending a "divine revelation" of a supposed afterlife and attacking the life you live because it should be lived the way of the Scriptures.

That is evil.

But I don't fault Islam, the "superstitious nonsense" for the evil that men do because that's personal responsibility. I think it's a blind coward that tries to conflate the religion with the action to deny the responsibility of the person, for one reason or another, which is what you're doing Bill. And in doing it you're condemning the all persons of that religion for the actions of a few, which has happened before and is recognized as an atrocity ( Japanese internment camps )

Your attacks on Islam in an effort to conflate it with atrocity by human decision is noted for it's stupidity.
 
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What is your point?

Let me guess. You don't have one.

But Bill according to you it is not open to interpretation, so Allah is the voice Magic Moses heard.

And We had certainly given Moses nine evident signs, so ask the Children of Israel [about] when he came to them and Pharaoh said to him, "Indeed I think, O Moses, that you are affected by magic."

http://quran.com/17/101
 
Allah is not the God of the Bible.

Allah is not the God of Israel.

dead wrong.
all three religions claim abraham as their 'founder in faith', hence they are known as the abrahamic religions.
all three religions worship the god of abraham and moses.
how many gods did abraham and moses worship?

in arabic translations of the bible, 'god' is called 'allah'.
 
You mean the ones who danced in the street with joy that the great Satan had been struck?

Yes, there were Muslims that danced in the street with joy after 9/11. There were also Muslims that didn't. There are 1.6 billion Muslims on this planet; do you think they all reacted the same way?

ETA: I'm sure you can provide cites about Muslims being horrified.

Well, you can start with the link Lowpro provided.

Plus, you can read Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's book, which actually uses the word "horrified."

Or the fatwa issued by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi and six other scholars, sixteen days after the 9/11 attacks, saying that not only was it permissible for Muslims to fight the perpetrators of the attacks even if those perpetrators were other Muslims, but stated:

Therefore, we find it necessary to apprehend the true perpetrators of these crimes, as well as those who aid and abet them through incitement, financing or other support. They must be brought to justice in an impartial court of law and punish them appropriately, so that it could act as a deterrent to them and to others like them who easily slay the lives of innocents, destroy properties and terrorize people. Hence, it's a duty on all Muslims to participate in this effort with all possible means, in accordance with God's (Most High) saying: "And help one another in virtue and righteousness, but do not help one another in sin and transgression." 5:2.

On the other hand, the source of the uneasiness that American Muslim military men and women may have in fighting other Muslims, is because it's often difficult - if not impossible - to differentiate between the real perpetrators who are being pursued, and the innocents who have committed no crime at all.

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The Muslim (soldier) must perform his duty in this fight despite the feeling of uneasiness of "fighting without discriminating." His intention (niyya) must be to fight for enjoining of the truth and defeating falsehood. It's to prevent aggression on the innocents, or to apprehend the perpetrators and bring them to justice.

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To sum up, it's acceptable - God willing - for the Muslim American military personnel to partake in the fighting in the upcoming battles, against whomever their country decides has perpetrated terrorism against them.

Or you can talk to the members of the Islamic Society of Greater Portland, in Oregon, who wanted to hold a public rally back in May after the death of Osama Bin Laden at the hand of US Special Forces soldiers and show Muslim solidarity and support for that action and to commemorate the victims of the 9/11 attacks. Sadly, though, that rally was never held, because of concerns after a mosque in Maine was spray-painted with the words "Osama today, Islam tomorow [sic]", as well as reading anti-Muslim internet comments. And, naturally, Islamophobes reacted with class to the cancellation: "Wow, someone in Oregon, maybe a few someone's don't like muzzies, I thought there was nothing but libtarded sheeple living in that sorry excuse of a state, apparently there are still a few patriots left. :D :D :D"

Or perhaps you'd like to talk to the family of Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, who as a fourteen year old boy watched the attacks on TV. He saw 9/11 as nothing less than an attack on his country and his fellow countrymen, and he was determined to fight for his nation, not held back in the least by the Muslim faith he embraced, and spurred forward by his feeling that "he's American and he has a job to do." As soon as he was old enough, he enlisted in the military, right after graduation from high school. He was killed barely a year after being sent to Iraq, along with three other soldiers in his unit. He was posthumously promoted and buried with full military honors in Arlington National Cemetery, having been awarded the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart.

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He gave his life defending the freedom of people like Bill Thompson to call his religion evil and to call his Prophet a pedophile.
 
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Allah is not Jesus Christ.
Who said he is? Muslims regard Jesus as a prophet, not as their god.

Allah is not the God of the Bible.
Yes, he is. Same character, different authors.

Allah is not the God of Israel.
Not to the Jews, he isn't. But then neither is Jesus. It's interesting that the way Christians disown Islam is the same way Jews disown Christianity.
 
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Pity you didn't read more. Ingersoll's description of the Church, cited by you, is accurate as regards the 19th century Catholic Church, and other powerful Christian Churches. But he is even-handed in his criticisms:

Is he accurate? I'd like to see more than just the assertion.

And the general tone of the piece as a whole is positive and conciliatory, as anyone will see who, undaunted by your disparagement, reads more than a few words of it.

Positive?
Not in general. There are times when he is, then drops back to negative.

Ingersoll said:
This earth will be a
paradise when men can, upon all these questions differ, and yet
grasp each other's hands as friends. It is amazing to me that a
difference of opinion upon subjects that we know nothing with
certainty about, should make us hate, persecute, and despise each
other. Why a difference of opinion upon predestination, or the
Trinity, should make people imprison and burn each other seems
beyond the comprehension of man; and yet in all countries where
Christians have existed, they have destroyed each other to the
exact extent of their power.

He starts off well. But I can't help feel he ends with hyperbole.

What happened in the 19th century that justifies Ingersoll's venom?

Ingersoll said:
They [priests] must show that misery fits the good for heaven, while
happiness prepares the bad for hell; that the wicked get all their
good things in this life, and the good all their evil; that in this
world God punishes the people he loves, and in the next, the ones
he hates; that happiness makes us bad here, but not in heaven; that
pain makes us good here, but not in hell.

ALL of the priests were unanimous on that?

After completing the above description with quite a bit of detail, he finally says:

Ingersoll said:
There are some noble exceptions. Now and
then a pulpit holds a brave and honest man. Their congregations are
willing that they should think -- willing that their ministers
should have a little freedom.

As we become civilized, more and more liberty will be accorded
to these men, until finally ministers will give their best and
highest thoughts. The congregations will finally get tired of
hearing about the patriarchs and saints, the miracles and wonders, and will insist upon knowing something about the men and women of
our day, and the accomplishments and discoveries of our time. They
will finally insist upon knowing how to escape the evils of this
world instead of the next. They will ask light upon the enigmas of
this life. They will wish to know what we shall do with our
criminals instead of what God will do with his -- how we shall do
away with beggary and want -- with crime and misery -- with
prostitution, disease and famine, -- with tyranny in all its cruel
forms -- with prisons and scaffolds, and how we shall reward the
honest workers, and fill the world with happy homes!

Phew! that's a relief.

Ingersoll said:
The clergy, however, will continue to answer them in the old
way, until their congregations are good enough to set them free.
They will still talk about believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, as
though that were the only remedy for all human ills. They will
still teach, that retrogression is the only path that leads to
light; that we must go back, that faith is the only sure guide, and
that reason is a delusive glare, lighting only the road to eternal
pain.

Ahh!

I did carry on a bit further and I found an actual claim which isn't mere rhetorical hype:

Ingersoll said:
With the single exception of Cornell, there
is not a college in the United States where truth has ever been a
welcome guest. The moment one of the teachers denies the
inspiration of the Bible, he is discharged.

Can this claim be backed up?


ETA:
Here's the link again:
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/some_mistakes_of_moses.html
 
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Allah is not Jesus Christ.

Allah is not the God of the Bible.

Allah is not the God of Israel.

Moses has a starring role in the Quran -- as a prophet of God. That is to say Allah -- if you insist on speaking Arabic every now and again.

According to the Quran: Moses, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus,.... they were all Muslims.
 
What happened in the 19th century that justifies Ingersoll's venom?

According to Wikipedia, a newspaper article written during his lifetime ascribed his agnosticism and anti-religious views to conflicts his rather broad-minded and tolerant preacher father had with the much more reactionary church he belonged to, which the article describes as "unjust and bigoted treatment".

I did carry on a bit further and I found an actual claim which isn't mere rhetorical hype:



Can this claim be backed up?

I'm not sure about the specifics, but it seems like he might be exaggerating the fact that most universities were associated with a particular Christian denomination, whereas Cornell was nondenominational (and, in fact, appears to be the first major university not beholden to sectarian dictates).
 
Yes, but only in the sense that they submitted to the will & laws of the one & only true God.

I think it goes beyond that.
Where Judaism and Christianity contradict Islam, Moses, Jesus etc would agree with Islam.

EG:
In the Quran, Jesus denies he is the son of God -- or that he ever claimed such.
 

Sorry, that wasn't really directed at your specific words, despite the fact that I replied to you.

Just pointing out that trying to say Islam is only about submission to God, while Christianity and Judaism aren't (as JudeBrando was trying to claim), is utterly false, since the exact same kind and concept of submission is not unknown in Christianity, particularly among the Evangelicals.
 
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