Why not war against Islam?

[Dayan81]

...Most, Majority, or even vast majority does not matter if you are part of the team where the quarterbacks are into playing a murderous game....

....Also Mohammed was a politician pretending to be a holyman. So Islam does not count as a religion just because it assumes that title...

...If you believe in freedom of religion, as you seem to be, then you cannot support Islam since Islam is against freedom of religion and its members leaving alive and in one piece..

I never said we should judge any Muslim.

I never said any religion should be banned by the United States government...

You appear to want to judge all Muslims based on the violent & extremist acts of a small few.

You claim that Islam is in fact NOT a religion.

You claim Muhammed was not a holyman, but a politician. We can conclude from this that you consider Islam to be a political movement.

Now Bill, please tell the thread what would you like to see done with the political movement known as Islam and the Muslims of the USA.

Here is your opportunity to correct our misunderstanding of your views & goals.

 

[Bill Thompson]

other religions are also bad and we manage to get along together. we just have to tell them what they can do and what not, laws and such, and they can belief what they want as long they stick to the law. and those that do not stick to the law will get arested.

That really is not true.

We really do NOT get along with other religions because some of those religions have as foundational principals NOT to get along with us and they are here to SUPPORT the "radicals" overseas. They just want to keep it quiet. Google is your friend. Use Google. Try "islamic charities caught funding terrorism". There are too many to brush off as isolated insidents. I am sure we all would love to think they are isolated incidents. That supports our narrative and world view, now, doesn't it?

They would LOVE IT if we all believed as you do, tho.

Islam is not alone in the religions that need to be "attacked" (no, by the way, nameless person reading this who thinks "war" naturally means a shooting war). Scientology, once, as a policy was at war with the United States government. And, in case you did not know, the Executave Branch of the government was once also at war with the Mormons until they changed their official policy of multiple wives. Do you belive the United States, her citizens and her government was NOT once at war with the Mormons? And, yes, this time I really do mean a shooting war.

The United States, from time to time, HAS been directly at war with Islam. What I am talking about is not something new. The US war with tripoli in 1797 was do to Muslims practicing the direct commands in the Quran against ships sailing through their waters. Thank God we have the internet and we can attack a religion without it resulting in a shooting war. Albiet, THEY shoot back. Do you think Theo Van Gogh was paranoid, DC? Maybe he was not paranoid enough, huh?

Now, once again, because I know I need to repeat this because it keeps getting ignored. It does not really matter if most Mulsims are good ane peace loving. Most of the hi-jackers of 9-11 had no idea that the mission was to slaughter innocent women and children and citizens from all over the world by plowing the jets into buildings. Only the pilots knew this. Your saying that Islam is ok because most muslims are clueless of the people driving the religion is to say 9-11-2001 was ok.

 

[Dayan81]

..We really do NOT get along with other religions because some of those religions have as foundational principals NOT to get along with us and they are here to SUPPORT the "radicals" overseas. They just want to keep it quiet...

sounds like an anti-Muslim conspiracy theory.

...The United States, from time to time, HAS been directly at war with Islam. What I am talking about is not something new the US war with tripoli in 1797 was do to Muslims practicing the direct commands in the Quran against ships sailing through their waters...

The Barbary Wars was not just a campaign against pirates from North Africa, but against ALL of Islam? That's some fascinating historical revisionism you put out.

..Your saying that Islam is ok because most muslims are clueless of the people driving the religion is to say 9-11-2001 was ok.

No, that is not what he is saying at all. Even if every one of the 19 hijackers was aware of the intended target, their actions and beliefs could not logically & rationally be seen as a fair & accurate representation of Islam or of all Muslims.

There are more than 1 billion Muslims on Earth. Even if only 1% of them were violent, radical, extremist terrorist-Jihadis, that would still not represent all Muslims or the Islamic faith. Suggesting that the acts & views of 10 million people represents the views & goals of 1 billion people is bigoted, unjust, and untrue.

 

[DC]

That really is not true.

We really do NOT get along with other religions because some of those religions have as foundational principals NOT to get along with us and they are here to SUPPORT the "radicals" overseas. They just want to keep it quiet. Google is your friend. Use Google. Try "islamic charities caught funding terrorism". There are too many to brush off as isolated insidents. I am sure we all would love to think they are isolated incidents. That supports our narrative and world view, now, doesn't it?

They would LOVE IT if we all believed as you do, tho.

Islam is not alone in the religions that need to be "attacked" (no, by the way, nameless person reading this who thinks "war" naturally means a shooting war). Scientology, once, as a policy was at war with the United States government. And, in case you did not know, the Executave Branch of the government was once also at war with the Mormons until they changed their official policy of multiple wives. Do you belive the United States, her citizens and her government was NOT once at war with the Mormons? And, yes, this time I really do mean a shooting war.

The United States, from time to time, HAS been directly at war with Islam. What I am talking about is not something new. The US war with tripoli in 1797 was do to Muslims practicing the direct commands in the Quran against ships sailing through their waters. Thank God we have the internet and we can attack a religion without it resulting in a shooting war. Albiet, THEY shoot back. Do you think Theo Van Gogh was paranoid, DC? Maybe he was not paranoid enough, huh?

Now, once again, because I know I need to repeat this because it keeps getting ignored. It does not really matter if most Mulsims are good ane peace loving. Most of the hi-jackers of 9-11 had no idea that the mission was to slaughter innocent women and children and citizens from all over the world by plowing the jets into buildings. Only the pilots knew this. Your saying that Islam is ok because most muslims are clueless of the people driving the religion is to say 9-11-2001 was ok.

yes we do get along. and those that don't want to get a long and commit crimes and terrorism are fought. by people that most of the time know much better than you how to differ.
you as a non muslim claim to know who is driving Islam? Most moslems are not even in agreement who does. but you know it, its the guys that call for violence and the polits on 9/11, but surely not those schoolars releasing fatwas saying those acts are not in agreemeant with Islam. and those moslems speaking out against terrorism. they are the misguided, and those that call for voilence are the ones got it right? but somehow their religion is false anyway......

lucky thing is you are merely a little internet warrior and will do no real harm to people.

and top hit in your search is Atlas Shrugs......

 

[Craig4]

That really is not true.

We really do NOT get along with other religions because some of those religions have as foundational principals NOT to get along with us and they are here to SUPPORT the "radicals" overseas. They just want to keep it quiet. Google is your friend. Use Google. Try "islamic charities caught funding terrorism". There are too many to brush off as isolated insidents. I am sure we all would love to think they are isolated incidents. That supports our narrative and world view, now, doesn't it?

They would LOVE IT if we all believed as you do, tho.

Islam is not alone in the religions that need to be "attacked" (no, by the way, nameless person reading this who thinks "war" naturally means a shooting war). Scientology, once, as a policy was at war with the United States government. And, in case you did not know, the Executave Branch of the government was once also at war with the Mormons until they changed their official policy of multiple wives. Do you belive the United States, her citizens and her government was NOT once at war with the Mormons? And, yes, this time I really do mean a shooting war.

The United States, from time to time, HAS been directly at war with Islam. What I am talking about is not something new. The US war with tripoli in 1797 was do to Muslims practicing the direct commands in the Quran against ships sailing through their waters. Thank God we have the internet and we can attack a religion without it resulting in a shooting war. Albiet, THEY shoot back. Do you think Theo Van Gogh was paranoid, DC? Maybe he was not paranoid enough, huh?

Now, once again, because I know I need to repeat this because it keeps getting ignored. It does not really matter if most Mulsims are good ane peace loving. Most of the hi-jackers of 9-11 had no idea that the mission was to slaughter innocent women and children and citizens from all over the world by plowing the jets into buildings. Only the pilots knew this. Your saying that Islam is ok because most muslims are clueless of the people driving the religion is to say 9-11-2001 was ok.

So, what is your mission analysis? What courses of action do you suggest we pursue?

 

[Bill Thompson]

yes we do get along. and those that don't want to get a long and commit crimes and terrorism are fought. by people that most of the time know much better than you how to differ.

So, using your logic, Germany was wrong for banning Scientology completely from their country in every form and every way.

We really do NOT get along with other religions because some of those religions have as foundational principals NOT to get along with us and they are here to SUPPORT the "radicals" overseas. They just want to keep it quiet. Google is your friend. Use Google. Try "islamic charities caught funding terrorism". There are too many to brush off as isolated insidents. I am sure we all would love to think they are isolated incidents. That supports our narrative and world view, now, doesn't it?

1. If we should not be against any religion, is is Germany wrong in banning Scientolgy?
2. So, do you think Annon's war against Scientology is a shooting war?
3. Do you think Annon should not be at war with Scientology because most Scientologists are kind, law abiding citizens?
4. Do you think that Annon should not be at war with Scientolgy because all religions are bad?
5. Do you think that Annon should not be at war with Scientolgy because all Christianity is also bad?
6. If free speach is good. Shouldn't that also apply to people like Annon and they be allowed to speek out against Scientololgy?

 

[Dayan81]

So, what is your mission analysis? What courses of action do you suggest we pursue?

Since he refuses to answer this question I think I'll give it a shot for him.

a. Make the practise of Islam illegal in all Western-nations.

b. Launch nuclear strikes on any nation that has had a history of terrorist training-camps or bases.

c. Convert all Muslims in the West to Christianity or Judaism. Those who refuse to comply will be deemed enemies of the state and deported to a Muslim nation.

Am I about right Bill?

 

[Bill Thompson]

So, what is your mission analysis? What courses of action do you suggest we pursue?

We are doing it now. You are helping.

 

[Dayan81]

We really do NOT get along with other religions because some of those religions have as foundational principals NOT to get along with us and they are here to SUPPORT the "radicals" overseas. They just want to keep it quiet. Google is your friend. Use Google. Try "islamic charities caught funding terrorism". There are too many to brush off as isolated insidents. I am sure we all would love to think they are isolated incidents. That supports our narrative and world view, now, doesn't it?...

Didn't you already say this?

Now again...Bill. What do you wish to see done with Islam and Muslims in the USA and the West?

 

[Bill Thompson]

Dayan81,

I have lost faith in your ability to reason. Sorry. I also think you make posts to be annoying for the sake of being annoying. You have also repeated the same ideas that you have that I have carefully shown are not true.

I have also answered that question that the other user has posed many times. There are lots of groups that are "at war" with other relgions without it being a shooting war.

It is obvious that yourr over-the-top post here is due to the fact that you have egg on your face and you want to save it. And my pointing out now will result to more emotionally charged blurbs and slurrs from you. Just watch now. Here comes another one.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Didn't you already say this?

Now again...Bill. What do you wish to see done with Islam and Muslims in the USA and the West?

Yeah, and you keep repeating the same thing again and again. That is my point.

What needs to be done is exactly what we are doing here. This is a public forum. Kids raised in Muslim families in the West and to some extent overseas can read this stuff.

If the kids in the west read the BS that Antpogo posted that Muhammed did not have sex with a 9 year old, we can set them straight provided that I have the time and the patience to set Antpogo straight.

And by the way, you did not answer these questions. Maybe you missed them

1. If we should not be against any religion, is is Germany wrong in banning Scientolgy?
2. So, do you think Annon's war against Scientology is a shooting war?
3. Do you think Annon should not be at war with Scientology because most Scientologists are kind, law abiding citizens?
4. Do you think that Annon should not be at war with Scientolgy because all religions are bad?
5. Do you think that Annon should not be at war with Scientolgy because all Christianity is also bad?
6. If free speach is good. Shouldn't that also apply to people like Annon and they be allowed to speek out against Scientololgy?

 

[DC]

So, using your logic, Germany was wrong for banning Scientology completely from their country in every form and every way.
We really do NOT get along with other religions because some of those religions have as foundational principals NOT to get along with us and they are here to SUPPORT the "radicals" overseas. They just want to keep it quiet. Google is your friend. Use Google. Try "islamic charities caught funding terrorism". There are too many to brush off as isolated insidents. I am sure we all would love to think they are isolated incidents. That supports our narrative and world view, now, doesn't it?

1. If we should not be against any religion, is is Germany wrong in banning Scientolgy?
2. So, do you think Annon's war against Scientology is a shooting war?
3. Do you think Annon should not be at war with Scientology because most Scientologists are kind, law abiding citizens?
4. Do you think that Annon should not be at war with Scientolgy because all religions are bad?
5. Do you think that Annon should not be at war with Scientolgy because all Christianity is also bad?
6. If free speach is good. Shouldn't that also apply to people like Annon and they be allowed to speek out against Scientololgy?

Germany did what? when? today?

where did you get that from?

 

[Dayan81]

..What needs to be done is exactly what we are doing here. This is a public forum. Kids raised in Muslim families in the West and to some extent overseas can read this stuff...

I understand now.

You do not believe that any governmental action should be taken again Mosques, Immams, Muslim schools, etc etc. Muslims should be free to practise their faith within the USA without any problems from the government.

Muslim citizens of the United States and all other Western-nations should be treated as equal citizens, regardless of the crimes a very small minority of their Muslim brethren.

I am glad we finally agree.

 

[tsig]

You are, once again, taking the most extreme version of the practice of Islam and using it as a cudgel against all Muslims. There was a time when Christian authorities tortured and murdered thousands because they held different religious beliefs. Where is your thread claiming that Christianity is intrinsically evil?


How ironic.

Since Christians did it it's ok that Muslims do it?

 

[A'isha]

Ah, the blog of the famous anti-Muslim bigot. Forgot her name but one could smell her prejudice a mile a way.

Pam Gellar. Who said this regarding the Norway attacks:

Breivik was targeting the future leaders of the party responsible for flooding Norway with Muslims who refuse to assimilate, who commit major violence against Norwegian natives, including violent gang rapes, with impunity, and who live on the dole… all done without the consent of the Norwegians.

And, when talking about the summer camp that Breivik attacked, posted this picture and caption:

 

[DC]

So, using your logic, Germany was wrong for banning Scientology completely from their country in every form and every way.

We really do NOT get along with other religions because some of those religions have as foundational principals NOT to get along with us and they are here to SUPPORT the "radicals" overseas. They just want to keep it quiet. Google is your friend. Use Google. Try "islamic charities caught funding terrorism". There are too many to brush off as isolated insidents. I am sure we all would love to think they are isolated incidents. That supports our narrative and world view, now, doesn't it?

1. If we should not be against any religion, is is Germany wrong in banning Scientolgy?
2. So, do you think Annon's war against Scientology is a shooting war?
3. Do you think Annon should not be at war with Scientology because most Scientologists are kind, law abiding citizens?
4. Do you think that Annon should not be at war with Scientolgy because all religions are bad?
5. Do you think that Annon should not be at war with Scientolgy because all Christianity is also bad?
6. If free speach is good. Shouldn't that also apply to people like Annon and they be allowed to speek out against Scientololgy?

故曰：知彼知己，百戰不殆；不知彼而知己，一勝一負；不知彼，不知己，每戰必殆。

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Since Christians did it it's ok that Muslims do it?

Of course not. I'm saying you can't single out Muslims and claim that their religion is somehow worse than the others. You can't blame all Muslims for the actions and ideas of the worst among them and then ignore the fact that Christianity has had its share of horrors during its history.

 

[Craig B]

The United States, from time to time, HAS been directly at war with Islam. What I am talking about is not something new. The US war with tripoli in 1797 was do to Muslims practicing the direct commands in the Quran against ships sailing through their waters. Thank God we have the internet and we can attack a religion without it resulting in a shooting war. Albiet, THEY shoot back. Do you think Theo Van Gogh was paranoid, DC? Maybe he was not paranoid enough, huh?

Here is Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, which ended that war. Not "directly at war with Islam", any more than by fighting Italy in WW2, "directly at war with Catholicism".

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

A very sensible Treaty indeed, in no way appealing to religious hostility.

About Theo Van Gogh; I don't know if he was paranoid or not. Unfortunately some people make use of his murder to sow hate. His murderer was certainly a demented religious bigot, and probably a psychopath.

 

[Johny2x4]

Pam Gellar. Who said this regarding the Norway attacks:



And, when talking about the summer camp that Breivik attacked, posted this picture and caption:

[qimg]http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr157/antpogo/Pure-Norwegian.jpg[/qimg]

I looked at the picture, then read that link, then said "********"

Edited, breach of rule 10; do not curse in your posts or attempt to mask such words to by-pass the auto-censor.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Locknar

 

[Xero]

It really is amusing watching someone use straw men and ad hominem, then accuse their opponents of it. It's like theie mind is trying to tell them something, but it's lost in translation.