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is YHWH an Evil god?

Actually, the Bible is propaganda. You see, Satan was the good guy, he created the universe, the angels, and YHWH who was, as Satan is depicted, the right hand of the creator. YHWH started the fight only he won and Satan, the good guy, was cast out of Heaven. When people go to hell they are given a choice, join the fight on the actual good side, or sit in the firey pits. In heaven the new arrivals are immediately captured and plugged into a matrix-like system so that the power of their souls can be used to keep Satan down. Within the heaven-matrix the souls are in eternal torment as they are consumed and forever renewed to power the gates of hell. Satan could capture the souls in the same way, but being the good guy he doesn't want to hurt them so they join him voluntarily. This means they can't use all their power so it will take many times more souls in hell than in heaven. The way the division works, people who are as selfless as possible can't be harnessed so they go to hell. It's the people who are either evil in god's name or are only good out of fear of damnation who go to heaven. As our story begins, Satan is close to amassing an army of sufficient size to break the gates of hell. Only, he must fight his way through earth to get to heaven and the millions of religious extremists in the world will fight on YHWH's side....
 
Interresting Randfan, I knew the link on youtube already, but I always thought the praying at the end was more a pleading to not "look" at them while the evil god has new favorite.
Could very well be. I should give fire the benefit that we are really talking about the perspective of the movie maker.
 
Actually, the Bible is propaganda. You see, Satan was the good guy, he created the universe, the angels, and YHWH who was, as Satan is depicted, the right hand of the creator. YHWH started the fight only he won and Satan, the good guy, was cast out of Heaven. When people go to hell they are given a choice, join the fight on the actual good side, or sit in the firey pits. In heaven the new arrivals are immediately captured and plugged into a matrix-like system so that the power of their souls can be used to keep Satan down. Within the heaven-matrix the souls are in eternal torment as they are consumed and forever renewed to power the gates of hell. Satan could capture the souls in the same way, but being the good guy he doesn't want to hurt them so they join him voluntarily. This means they can't use all their power so it will take many times more souls in hell than in heaven. The way the division works, people who are as selfless as possible can't be harnessed so they go to hell. It's the people who are either evil in god's name or are only good out of fear of damnation who go to heaven. As our story begins, Satan is close to amassing an army of sufficient size to break the gates of hell. Only, he must fight his way through earth to get to heaven and the millions of religious extremists in the world will fight on YHWH's side....

good one....I like it....an interesting twist of ideas :thumbsup:
 
good one....I like it....an interesting twist of ideas :thumbsup:

Thanks, but I'm certain it's not mine. I don't remember from where I got the idea so if it sounds familiar to anyone please tell me who originally wrote it as I'd love to read it.

ETA: The reason Satan has been gaining power is, exactly as christians say, because of the growing popularity of rational thinking. YHWH had them rolling in during the middle ages but his supply has been dwindling since the enlightenment.
 
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ETA: The reason Satan has been gaining power is, exactly as christians say, because of the growing popularity of rational thinking. YHWH had them rolling in during the middle ages but his supply has been dwindling since the enlightenment.



Here is an idea I had a while back...not quite the same as yours

Here is an interesting FICTION…… or you may want to call it the Book Of Leumas…..

I can imagine a Job like scenario where God and Satan made a bet. God is never EVER to manifest himself in any form whatsoever to people and at the same time the Devil is to be allowed free reign to deceive humanity in whatever way it saw fit. The bet is that despite all the misleading and waylaying that the devil may devise, humanity will still discover god eventually through REASON.

So the devil goes about manifesting itself as gods throughout history from Baal to Zeus and finally as Moses then Jesus then Mohammad. He wrote all the “sacred” scriptures of all the world and “inspired” the “holy” men/women of all the cultures. All this in the effort to BLIND humanity and PREVENT them from using any SCIENCE or REASON and to thus win the bet with God.

Fortunately the Devil is losing now…… there are too many Atheists and too much REASON….. God is FINALLY winning…..
 
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I figured my story would follow the life-after-death of an army general and life-long atheist who ends up a commander in Satan's army. The opening line would be:

"Devon was not surprised that he was going through the gates of hell, rather, he was surprised to be going anywhere at all."
 
I figured my story would follow the life-after-death of an army general and life-long atheist who ends up a commander in Satan's army. The opening line would be:

"Devon was not surprised that he was going through the gates of hell, rather, he was surprised to be going anywhere at all."

That's a good opening line, but you might consider changing the guy's name. In Australia, that processed sausage that you guys call Baloney, is called Devon.
 
would it be illegal to conspire to kill YHWH? :D
Heaven's security agencies are all over this thread :D
 
Any "evil" is like sin.
Imaginary.

It depends on how you define the word. I define evil as anything that knowingly acts in a manner intended to cause unnecessary harm or suffering.

So by my definition, evil exists, and the god of The Bible is evil. Also incompetent, but that's a different subject.

I think YHWH has broken at least 6 of the so called 10 commandments (click the "spoiler show" button at the end of this post to see what the REAL 10 commandments are) :

Already aware of that, but thanks for pointing it out. I've noticed that when pointed out to Christians, they still continue to use the phrase "Ten Commandments" to refer to the first ten "Laws and Commands", instead of what God himself refers to as "these ten commandments".

He killed.... Flood, Sodom, Gomorrah, Egypt etc. etc. etc.
That's one.

He Coveted..... He wanted the land of the Canaanites etc. For his people

Coveting implies wanting for yourself. Deciding to give someone else's property to another isn't coveting, it's theft. But there is a command against theft, so that still makes two.

He committed adultery.....he impregnated Joseph's wife Mary

Unless he had sexual intercourse with her, he didn't commit adultery. It's possible he used some kind of artificial insemination, so we can't count this one for certain.

He took craven images.... He orders Moses to make a snake statue to cure snake bites of the Israelites in Sinai that sent to punish them.

The word is graven not craven. Who would want a cowardly image? Graven means pregnant, and creating statues of pregnant fertility goddesses was a common pagan practice at the time. But since his statues weren't of pregnant women/goddesses, this doesn't count.

He stole....He bewitched the Egyptians to give their gold and jewelry to the Israelites. He aided the Israelites in taking Israel from its inhabitants. He sent the Babylonians, Assyrians etc. to pillage Israel and Judah as punishments

Already covered theft, so it's still two.

He lied....He sent a lying spirit to trick Ahab and others in other incidents
He swore falsely....He promised to make the Jews more numerous than the sand on the beach and other unfulfilled promises in the Covenant.

Lying isn't prohibited by the commandments. Giving false witness is. It's an injunction against perjury and making false allegations, not lying in general. So this doesn't count either.

Broke the Sabbath.....as Jesus he healed on the Sabbath
He Insulted his mother.....As Jesus he insulted his mother

Only if you accept the concept of the holy trinity. If you just going by the Bible, Jesus isn't God, so these don't count either.

So only two commandments broken.
 
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I think there is some sort of a responsibility that a parent has to make sure his child has a chance to enjoy life, but most of humanity keep making people despite ****** economic/living conditions so that would make God morally equal to the average person, who makes kids for his selfish needs/boredom - not to watch them enjoy life or participate in it.
 
I think there is some sort of a responsibility that a parent has to make sure his child has a chance to enjoy life, but most of humanity keep making people despite ****** economic/living conditions so that would make God morally equal to the average person, who makes kids for his selfish needs/boredom - not to watch them enjoy life or participate in it.

And that equals the flood?
Or any of the other things in RandFan's video?

Welcome to the forum, nickthird. Sorry for the interrogation, but you get used to it.
 
The word is graven not craven. Who would want a cowardly image? Graven means pregnant, and creating statues of pregnant fertility goddesses was a common pagan practice at the time. But since his statues weren't of pregnant women/goddesses, this doesn't count.

Graven means carved, or fashioned by hand. Anyway...

"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."

I think the serpents would fall into the category of "likeness of anything that is in... the earthn beneath..."
 
I think there is some sort of a responsibility that a parent has to make sure his child has a chance to enjoy life, but most of humanity keep making people despite ****** economic/living conditions so that would make God morally equal to the average person, who makes kids for his selfish needs/boredom - not to watch them enjoy life or participate in it.

i reject your trashtalk of humans. yes we are a terrible species. but the average Human's morals are way above those of YHWH.
 
That's one.

Coveting implies wanting for yourself. Deciding to give someone else's property to another isn't coveting, it's theft. But there is a command against theft, so that still makes two.

Unless he had sexual intercourse with her, he didn't commit adultery. It's possible he used some kind of artificial insemination, so we can't count this one for certain.

The word is graven not craven. Who would want a cowardly image? Graven means pregnant, and creating statues of pregnant fertility goddesses was a common pagan practice at the time. But since his statues weren't of pregnant women/goddesses, this doesn't count

Already covered theft, so it's still two.

Lying isn't prohibited by the commandments. Giving false witness is. It's an injunction against perjury and making false allegations, not lying in general. So this doesn't count either.

Only if you accept the concept of the holy trinity. If you just going by the Bible, Jesus isn't God, so these don't count either.
So only two commandments broken.



You forgot to comment on the Swore Falsely part......so that makes THREE according to your reckoning.....

BUT..... I also disagree with many of your rebuttals and I will discuss them in more detail later when I have more time to use verses to bolster my points.

For example ....if we go by the Bible in John's gospel, Jesus says he is God in no unclear terms....so the concept of the Trinity is actually supported in John.

But also lying and bearing false witness is the same.... it did not say UNDER AUTH.....especially that in the Bible swearing is actually prohibited.

But even then....the prophets who bore false witness to Ahab about him winning the war were bearing false witness as to the will of god and since it was YHWH that compelled them to do that using a LYING SPIRIT then it was YHWH who bore the false witness about himself.

But there are other verses that I will look up later….like god actually giving a false scripture to the Jews to misguide them…in Isaiah I think? But I actually have given quite a few of these verses in another post… in one of them YHWH says that false prophets are saying false prophecies because he made them do so….so that is False Witness (a prophecy is witnessing to what God will do).

The Graven images.... the commandment specifies and says of things in heaven or things on earth or in the water etc...... I think it is quite obvious that the intent is not just not to take images of pregnant fertility goddesses but any images of any things like BULLS and Birds so forth (that by the includes the POLES of Astarte; poles are not images). So that would also include snakes of bronze that heal snake bites by looking at them....especially when the snakes were sent by YHWH in the first place.

Coveting is not just for one's self..... it can be also for ones wife or children or just to elevate one’s status....coveting Canaan from Baal and wanting to give it to his children to elevate his status....is coveting…they were his children and by doing so he would get the worship to himself instead of the worship that BAAL was getting and his children would have given their worship to Baal….so he was coveting Baal’s status and worshipers and sacrifices.


The adultery part..... well....she got pregnant .... I don't know how he did it.... the outcome is that she bore his son.... it says the Holy Ghost did it....that could be like God's member for all we know....no? The holy ghost came unto her…what does that mean ;)???? Godly intercourse is not to be judged by our standards. And she was another man's wife. Why did he not choose another woman who was NOT already married who was also a virgin if he is that particularly inclined… I am sure there were plenty of 13 year old virgins in Israel at the time who were not yet married….it is not like today after all.

He came unto her with his holy ghost and she was another man’s wife and she got pregnant……..So that is adultery....

But I did say at least 6....when in fact the list has 9... that is because I am allowing for discounting the Jesus related ones....which if you do include the NT as a valid source will bring the count back up to 9.

I will try to give some verses when I have the time to waste.
 
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Graven means carved, or fashioned by hand. Anyway...

"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."

I think the serpents would fall into the category of "likeness of anything that is in... the earthn beneath..."
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Yes, the word would be "gravid".
And Jeh baby said only that we could have no other gods before him, not that there no other gods. Just that he's #1.
 
The word is graven not craven. Who would want a cowardly image? Graven means pregnant, and creating statues of pregnant fertility goddesses was a common pagan practice at the time. But since his statues weren't of pregnant women/goddesses, this doesn't count.



Here is the definition of Graven in Merriam Webster's Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/graven+image

Also read this article about idolatry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry


Here is the verse from KJV Exodus 20
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


Here is the verse in NIV bible Exodus 20
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.


More to come later
 
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