Is Islam an evil religion?

[A'isha]

I pick Option 3: your false dichotomy is utterly irrelevant. For one thing nobody is arguing that Islam or any other religion is true or false, just that the numerous sects and subsects all believe specific things (or don't believe specific things, as the case may be).

For another, the US Constitution guarantees the right of everyone to believe in whatever dumbass religion they want. You may hate the idea of religious freedom, Bill, but I kinda like it this way.

 

[A'isha]

And, by the way, the worst of that bunch is (drum roll) (wait for it....wait for it....wait for it....) THE MORMONS !!!

Actually, no, they're not even close to being the worst of that bunch. Though I have had many a strong, if cordial, argument regarding the topic with the Elders on their Mission who have been visiting me semi-weekly so I could ask them questions regarding their faith.

 

[FireGarden]

I did not quote from the op-ed part of that web site. There is a forum and the quotes there actually linked to other sites. Some, in fact were from Mormon Apolgists. Now that makes SIX TIMES. I have stated this.

So do you think that the site is biased?
Just because they have a forum, that doesn't mean that what you find on the forum will be free from the bias which is evident in the op-ed pieces.

And a mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.

Are you claiming to have an open mind, Bill?
I must have misunderstood what you said about the Quran and interpretations.

 

[FireGarden]

Nice.

But you avoided my queston. So I ask again. What does that mean to you?

I never said it was not fair to bring up another religion. Ah, a fresh misquote! Yummm! The difference is that I have a point that I am willing to explain. How long did it take for you get to a point when you kept saying "christianity is bad too" over and over again?

I have a point to make by comparing Islam to Mormonism. And heeerreee it is:

It is a terrific gift that we have the ability to have both Mormonism and Islam on this earth. Here is why (see, I am getting to my point, that is what you are supposed to do) My Mormon friends insist it is the only one true religion. My Muslim friends insist that it is the one true religion. My Mormon friends have told me that "people have tried for decades to find a mistake in the book of Mormon and they have failed". My Muslim friends would say that "people have tried for centuries to find an error in the quran and have failed"


Both cannot be the one true religion. That does not make any sense. So there are only two possible options

1. One is the one true religion and the other is a lie
2. They are both lies.

Now if one is the one true religion, which one and why? I guarantee you that the reasons you pick one of them can be easily applied to the other.

So which of the two is the answer and why. Pick.

Now, if they are both lies, it is not ethical to have our fellow brothers and sister participate in a lie... especially one that times up so much of your short life and mind while you walk on this Earth.

That was the point of saying

The Mormons are freaking wonderful!! A missionarly will help you with yard work and not expect any pay. Just forget that they spent 3 million dollars on an ad campaign to take rights away from gays in California.

Wow, I've not encountered a language barrier this huge before. And to think we both speak English!

 

[Leumas]

If the Question is ....is Islam an Evil Religion.....the answer is yes!
If the Question is ....is Islam the only evil religion ...the answer is no!

ALL....ALL....religions are EVIL.....and Islam is no less evil and no more evil than say Christianity or Judaism.

But yes......any religion that THREATENS to burn people FOR ETERNITY in a HELL is an evil religion.

Any religion that orders people to kill people who are gay or apostates or have sex out of wedlock or don't believe in their version of god and so on and so forth.....IS EVIL

Any religion that has failed to say OUT RIGHT and IN CLEAR TERMS that Slavery is ILLEGAL and IMMORAL....IS EVIL

Any religion that does not give women FULL EQUALITY with men and FULL FREEDOM of self determination IS EVIL

So all the Abrahamic religions ARE EVIL....Abraham was a COWARDLY PIMP who prostituted his wife and became rich for it.....and this is the father of the three religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam......so go figure.

 

[tsig]

The Muslim Brotherhood and their Islamist/Salafist philosophy isn't the entirety of the Muslim world, either historically or currently.

So they're not true Muslims?

 

[FireGarden]

The Muslim Brotherhood and their Islamist/Salafist philosophy isn't the entirety of the Muslim world, either historically or currently.

So they're not true Muslims?

In what possible way does that question follow from the quote you responded to? Nothing in ANTPogo's statement implies that the Muslim Brotherhood are not Muslims.

 

[A'isha]

So they're not true Muslims?

No, I said they're not all Muslims.

 

[A'isha]

As an aside, if anyone is truly interested in the issue of the age of Ai'sha at her marriage and what it means for Islam and Muslims, I highly recommend Muslim feminist writer and scholar Dr. Kecia Ali's Sexual Ethics and Islam: Feminist Reflections on Qur'an, Hadith and Jurisprudence. She devotes an entire chapter to the subject, and while she briefly touches on the historical sources, her main focus is on contemporary Muslims and how they address it, from Ahmadiyya who reject all hadith and the Bukhari story with them, to Muslims who reject the validity of that specific tradition (especially Shia, who have long been villified by Sunni writers for doubting the reliability of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim), to those who trust the Bukhari story but are troubled by its implications in a modern world, all the way to those who see the controversy as just another way for the Christian West to attack Islam.

As an added bonus, the book also has a chapter on same-sex intimacy in Muslim thought.

 

[Craig B]

I think I get it. Craig thinks that being against Islam means being against Muslims. That does not make any sense. If I am against cancer, that does not mean I am against cancer victims.

Craig does not make any sense. I think he has convinced himself of a lie and I think he will ignore this post too and continue with his nonsense. Just watch.

So, Bill, you're not against Muslims, because they're poor victims. How kind of you! But Bill, you must have had a big change of mind since earlier in this thread, when we had this little chat:

Question by Craig B: How many old mosques survive in Greece, or Spain, or Sicily? You have not addressed my point about the survival of the Greek church, and the destruction of Spanish Islam (and Judaism).
Response by Bill #99: And I do not see what the fact that there are no mosques in Greece has anthing to do with them not being accepting of them. The muslims invaded. They were kicked out. Why should there be a memory of them in Greece?

Same question by Craig B: How many old mosques survive in Greece, or Spain, or Sicily?
Another response by Bill: I would hope none.

So your way of being "not against Muslims", is to declare them "invaders", because a Muslim-ruled empire invaded your country (it also invaded Muslim countries) about 600 years ago; and you're happy they were "kicked out", and you want them and their places of worship to be obliterated and lost to memory. And in addition you spout tons of trash collected by a fascist anti-Muslim website.

If that's NOT being against them, one wonders what people do who ARE against them.

 

[FireGarden]

No, I said they're not all Muslims.

I just know that this is going to be interpreted as "Some of the Muslim Brotherhood aren't Muslims".

 

[A'isha]

I just know that this is going to be interpreted as "Some of the Muslim Brotherhood aren't Muslims".

Then let me clarify, for the benefit of tsig and others. The Brotherhood are "true Muslims", just like Sufis are "true Muslims" and Ahmadiyya are "true Muslims" and Twelver Shi'ites are "true Muslims".

What none of them are, however, is representative of all Muslims everywhere.

 

[DOC]

Some Teachings of Muhammad from the Hadith

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/incredibleteachings.shtml

 

[Akhenaten]

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/incredibleteachings.shtml

Why are you spamming multiple threads with this link?

 

[DOC]

Why are you spamming multiple threads with this link?

Are you saying they are not related to the topic of those threads? Odd this should bother you since you have no problem putting down Christianity in multiple threads.

 

[Akhenaten]

Why are you spamming multiple threads with this link?

Are you saying they are not related to the topic of those threads?

No, I'm pretty obviously asking you why you're spamming multiple threads with the same link.

Odd this should bother you since you have no problem putting down Christianity in multiple threads.

Bother? Not at all.

And your analogy . . . isn't.

 

[DOC]

Bother? Not at all...

Then why make a fuss. This is the second largest religion in the world and is constantly in the news. Why don't you want people to be informed about it? Yes, it is odd that you, who constantly puts down Christianity in multiple threads, would make such a fuss. Yes, quite hypocritical.

 

[A'isha]

DOC posting a link that boils down to "Look at all the crazy and backwards stuff that the scripture of this Middle Eastern religion teaches!" has got to deserve some sort of special award for Outstanding Achievements in the Field of Irony and Hypocrisy.

 

[Akhenaten]

Then why make a fuss. This is the second largest religion in the world and is constantly in the news. Why don't you want people to be informed about it? Yes, it is odd that you, who constantly puts down Christianity in multiple threads, would make such a fuss. Yes, quite hypocritical.

Is Islam an evil religion, DOC?

 

[Akhenaten]

DOC posting a link that boils down to "Look at all the crazy and backwards stuff that the scripture of this Middle Eastern religion teaches!" has got to deserve some sort of special award for Outstanding Achievements in the Field of Irony and Hypocrisy.

The Order of Ironicles, in fact. It was awarded at some stage in The Thread That Would Not Die. I'll try and find a link.