Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[332nd]

Do flights from San fran to India even go through Europe?

 

[phunk]

Still we have the LM on the Moon while you're lying about going to Delhi.

He lies about everything. It's very obvious from certain phrases that he uses that he is much younger than he claims.

 

[matt.tansy]

First of all, my point stands about using the correction factors on all of the other east coordinates.

Of course, you think it does, otherwise your lame brain theory would be in even deeper trouble. Footnote (c) applies to the photo position obtained from the map mentioned in footnote (a), not to any other navigation method. I posted a picture of it! Everybody can see it. Who here can see it?

In no case does it give you 23 26' 00". AND my dear friend , I am so very glad that you brought this up because it gives an excellent example of how these clowns play loose and fast with the numbers to dupe us.

So according to Matt and NASA's Mission Report, the photography determined coordinates,

Since you intentionally neglected to mention the reconstructed accelerometer trajectory out of sheer intellectual cowardice allow me to quote myself:

If the reconstructed accelerometer position has the map corrections applied it matches the position given to Lick.

Yet you continue:

once converted to the "minutes and seconds of arc" form will yield 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" E once we complete the calculation with the appropriate correction factors. For the north coordinate 0.647 we have the equivalent 00 38' 49" and to that we add 2' 25" and obtain 00 41 14". Now in the east coordinate case we have 23.505, which converts to 23 30' 18. We subtract 4' 17" and obtain 23 26' 01". Indeed close, but very much not 00 41 15 and closer still but not 23 26 01. AND here is one case where EXACT coordinates do matter

Bolding mine. This whole time you've been saying Lick was given the EXACT rendezvous radar position before Reed came in the morning, and mocked my assertion the positions did not match, saying they were close enough, and yet his position was off, if you apply the map corrections, which you're not supposed to do, by 40" of latitude and 17" of longitude, and even more off if you don't apply the map correction. Yet the reconstructed accelerometer trajectory is off by 1" and 1" (no doubt due to rounding errors when converting between a thousandth decimal place and one second of arc) and suddenly that's not close enough??? How does your ludicrously inconsistent logic not make your brain explode?

If you're going to apply the corrections to the rendezvous radar position you have to apply them to the reconstructed accelerometer position, too. So Mission Control reconstructed the PGNCS trajectory with the known errors and came up with a new position. Someone converted it to map coordinates and someone else passed it on to Lick. Mystery Solved!

because as we have see, the staff at Lick Observatory was given the north coordinate 00 41' 15" not 00 41' 14" and somebody told the Flight International Journalist that 00 41 15 north was in Armstrong's DSKY AND IN THIS CASE YES IT DOES NATTER THAT THE NUMBERS DO NOT MATCH EXACTLY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, THOSE BEING , 00 41 15 IS INDDED THE EXACT COORDINATE OF TRANQUILITY BASE AND EVEN WITH ALL THIS BOGUS JIVE NASA DOESN'T SHOW WHERE THE NUMBER COMES FROM. AND THE FIDO ON DUTY EXPLICITLY STATES THAT ALL OF THESE NUMBERS IN THE MISSION REPORT , EXCEPT FOR HIS OWN OF COURSE ARE NOT WITHIN 5 MILES OF HIS CALCULATION, 0.636 NORTH AND 23.50 EAST

Yet all the positions in Table 5-IV, including the ones available when Reed came into work, are within 5 miles of each other. So this FIDO either can't do simple spherical trigonometry or he is using artistic license. Yet another non-issue you keep regurgitating.

Since you will just quote the same old nonsense and ignore all this information I bid you good night. Your mom should be in soon to tuck you into bed.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Still we have the LM on the Moon while you're lying about going to Delhi.

Not the only thing he's lied about.

In the crab salad how much lemon juice? TBSP or just a wise squeeze of a good sized one

I generally keep both plastic-squeezie lemon and lime juice around and like to use a bit of both. I seldom measure, but a TBSP sounds about right.

Have you ever tried using sushi vinegar in stuff like this? It gives a different twist to the tartness flavor. Kinda fun if you don't get carried away.

Oh, and I never answered about pepper. My wife hates black pepper so I end up sneaking white pepper into stuff. Not that she'd eat crab salad. She has a "thing" about cold food. Black pepper is good for visual impact. I like to crack a prime number of peppercorns with the mortar and pestle. Nobody knows when they eat the food, but it amuses me when I'm doing it, which is what really counts anyway.

Check this out Matt, from the voice transcript;

Time: 14 16 34 06

CC This is Houston. Go ahead. Over.

CMP Roger. I can't see them. (COLUMBIA)

I'll need to look into this as whatever source he's using doesn't have mission-elapsed-time but some other format.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Got it

112:35:00 McCandless: Roger. We understand. This is intended to be your last P22. We don't want to use up too much fuel in this effort. Over.

In the ALSJ transcripts this is in the section "Trying to Rest."

 

[sts60]

Do flights from San fran to India even go through Europe?

Yes, they do. It is possible that Patrick1000/fattydash/DoctorTea/BSpassky/BFischer/mvinson/piersquared/etc. is going to India; as I mentioned before, maybe mommy and daddy are taking him for a visit. Or maybe high school is starting back up again. One can't say, and frankly the subject is too boring to think about any further.

Anyway, it's clear he's not (a) 53, (b) a doctor, (c) a scientist, (d) a published writer, (e) possessor of any engineering background whatsoever, or (f) honest, as his long history of sock-puppetry shows. The only thing that's not clear to me is (g) whether or not he's simply a troll, or - God help him - he actually believes his own self-contradictory, ever-mutating story. It is clear that (h) he has ego in inverse proportion to his competence, which I've seen before and is never a good thing.

What's interesting to me is not the content of his blather - I've transported patients with head traumas, and others who have undergone clean psychotic breaks, who make a lot more sense and can stick to the point better. It's more the way he has assiduously avoided the questions which would actually allow one to clarify his claims (such as they are), including mine here several days ago, or on apollohoax over a month ago.

I also enjoy the fun little details of how he contradicts himself - like claiming an "exact" position for a lander; when pressed for evidence, he waved his hands about a Surveyor-type craft - but since he doesn't know what he's talking about, he didn't realize that they wouldn't provide the "exact" positioning he claimed. In terms of analyzing his claims, such as they are, it's sort of like finding a paint scratch on a car that's burned up, been shoved over a cliff, and then sunk in the ocean. But it's good for a little amusement.

Oh, and one more thing: in Maryland, good crabcakes are de rigueur, but some food snots purists insist that bread crumbs have no place in a quality crabcake. Nonsense; you just need the right amount - enough to hold it together, though not too much, and from a good quality French bread dried in the oven. Fresh ingredients, of course, are needed, and I personally like a little cayenne to kick it up a notch, maybe a dash of Tabasco, but that's also the influence of the Cajun and Creole food I ate in Houston (mmm, Ragin' Cajun, Blue Oyster Bar, Pe-Te's...) But I digress.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Just in case the "flight to India" has been "delayed" again, I have one more interesting bit of information.

The Apollo 11 Press Kit. "FOR RELEASE: SUNDAY July 6, 1969"


Hadn't bothered looking into it yet, but lo and behold! Page 85:

"The Apollo 11 Landing Sites Are:
Site 2 --

latitude 0^o 42' 50" North
longitude 23^o 42' 28" East"

 

[Patrick1000]

Yeah, it has been a bummer

You've been "heading out" for the past 11 hours...

I know, and I did think I was getting out of town. Still, you guys are off the hook. I need to sleep, will try to get outta' here tomorrow.

Still, lots of progress, especially the tidbit of all tidbits. What think you of this Cl, apollo, Sez, sts, nomuse, RAF?; HERE WE HAVE THE CAPCOM, THE CAPCOM NO LESS!!!!, AND HE TELLS US THE LASER IS WORKING!!!!, REFLECTING LIGHT OFF THE MOON, FROM 00 41 15 NORTH AND 23 26 00 EAST!!!!!, AND WE ALL KNOW, WE ALL AGREE , THERE IS ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO MISUNDERSTANDING!!!!!!, THAT THING WASN'T SUPPOSED TO WORK UNTIL 08/01/1969 AND HERE IT IS, 6 DAYS INTO THE FLIGHT GIVE OR TAKE. THE OFFICIAL APOLLO NARRATIVE SAYS THE REFLECTOR DOESN'T WORK FOR 6 MORE DAYS!!!!!!. THE SCIENTISTS AT LICK SAY NOT FOR 6 MORE DAYS!!!!!. THE PRIMARY INVESTIGATORS OF THE LRRR EXPERIMENT SAY THE LASER GIZMO DOESN'T WORK FOR 6 MORE DAYS!!!!, ONLY THE NASA INSIDERS, THE BAD APPLES, BRUCE M. THE CAPCPM ONE OF THEM, THE BAD APPLES SAY THE THING IS WORKING SIX DAYS EARLY. WHAT DO THE BAD APPLES KNOW THAT THE SICENTISTS RUNNING THE EXPERIMENT NOT KNOW, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE SCIENTISTS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW?????!!!! WELL, THE BAD GUYS ARE TRYING TO PUT ONE OVER HERE. FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD AND NOW I'D LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS PROVE ME WRONG. SQUIRM OUT OF THIS ONE!!!!

"CapCOM/You might be interested in knowing, Mike, that we have gotten reflections back from the laser reflector ray they deployed, and we may be able to get some information out of that a little later." ( a little after time 14 16 34 06)

Same quote as above.

Foreknowledge equals fraud baby, prove me wrong, give it a shot. I am loving this. What a beautiful day today, what a revelation!!!!!

 

[Patrick1000]

Ouch!!

Ouch ouch ouch ouch, my oh my did that one HURT!

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I know, and I did think I was getting out of town. Still, you guys are off the hook. I need to sleep, will try to get outta' here tomorrow.

Try all you want, but unless you have a problem with missing schedules, it's really up to the airline, isn't it? What have they told you about the situation?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I suppose it's probably inappropriate to report pat's last post to the mods for "excessive use of uppercase."

But boy, I'm tempted.

 

[Patrick1000]

Torch Those Rookies!

Try all you want, but unless you have a problem with missing schedules, it's really up to the airline, isn't it? What have they told you about the situation?

The lady at the counter said she thinks Apollo is totally bogus too. She said, "Pat, torch those rookies!". That was about all I could remember. I guess you're hoping even more than me that I split tomorrow, ain'tcha?

Been a rough day for you boys finding out about the laser operating 6 days early. Wonder how that ever happened? My oh my oh my oh my!!!!!!!

I suggest you not worry about my flight cuz' who knows, maybe I'll get a job writing the first report focusing on the dismantlement of Apollo as we knew her. As best I can tell, that bogus story is 'bout to crash in T minus half a day and counting ever so fast, Wonder if we can get one of those fancy clocks?

Guess the painful truth is finally sinking in for you boys as HBs the world over applaud the CAPCOM and his big fat lying mouth!

Have a nice evening and study up hard on my questions. Have yet to see ANY response, even sts, abaddon and nomuse let me down. With the CAPCOM revelation, I wonder if they'll surface at all.

OH WELL,............Gdnight.

 

[SezMe]

Airline and Flight Number please.

*Ahem*

*Cough, cough*

 

[Patrick1000]

I suppose it's probably inappropriate to report pat's last post to the mods for "excessive use of uppercase."

But boy, I'm tempted.

It is a good point Apollo, but such a revelation!!! No one has ever managed to do it before!!!!!!!!!!!!! Show Apollo fraudulent and the rock/photo debate irrelevant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sure the moderators would understand my excitement. Now that it has passed, I am moving on to more sedate matters such as trying to sell my worthless Apollo book collection now that it is over for you all.

So I do understand your point, yet it was indeed arguably quite appropriate. I'll desist. No need to rub anything in now. The space party is almost over. And boy oh boy does it feel good, exciting and honest , real this world without Apollo fraud any longer.

Thanks for the post, it was a good point.

 

[Patrick1000]

Don't you wish I'd gotten out of town

*Cough, cough*

How fortuitous I stuck around to put a fork in the CSM. "It's cooked, and it wasn't the sun that did it!!". Guess that passive thermal control ain't so effective after all.

 

[Patrick1000]

Just in case the "flight to India" has been "delayed" again, I have one more interesting bit of information.

The Apollo 11 Press Kit. "FOR RELEASE: SUNDAY July 6, 1969"


Hadn't bothered looking into it yet, but lo and behold! Page 85:

"The Apollo 11 Landing Sites Are:
Site 2 --

latitude 0^o 42' 50" North
longitude 23^o 42' 28" East"

Great Apollo, why don't you tell the Cap com to tell Reed that the laser is up and running and the LRRR is precisely at 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east. Would save that hard working young man a lot of trouble.

 

[Patrick1000]

Read it and weep sts

Yes, they do. It is possible that Patrick1000/fattydash/DoctorTea/BSpassky/BFischer/mvinson/piersquared/etc. is going to India; as I mentioned before, maybe mommy and daddy are taking him for a visit. Or maybe high school is starting back up again. One can't say, and frankly the subject is too boring to think about any further.

Anyway, it's clear he's not (a) 53, (b) a doctor, (c) a scientist, (d) a published writer, (e) possessor of any engineering background whatsoever, or (f) honest, as his long history of sock-puppetry shows. The only thing that's not clear to me is (g) whether or not he's simply a troll, or - God help him - he actually believes his own self-contradictory, ever-mutating story. It is clear that (h) he has ego in inverse proportion to his competence, which I've seen before and is never a good thing.

What's interesting to me is not the content of his blather - I've transported patients with head traumas, and others who have undergone clean psychotic breaks, who make a lot more sense and can stick to the point better. It's more the way he has assiduously avoided the questions which would actually allow one to clarify his claims (such as they are), including mine here several days ago, or on apollohoax over a month ago.

I also enjoy the fun little details of how he contradicts himself - like claiming an "exact" position for a lander; when pressed for evidence, he waved his hands about a Surveyor-type craft - but since he doesn't know what he's talking about, he didn't realize that they wouldn't provide the "exact" positioning he claimed. In terms of analyzing his claims, such as they are, it's sort of like finding a paint scratch on a car that's burned up, been shoved over a cliff, and then sunk in the ocean. But it's good for a little amusement.

Oh, and one more thing: in Maryland, good crabcakes are de rigueur, but some food snots purists insist that bread crumbs have no place in a quality crabcake. Nonsense; you just need the right amount - enough to hold it together, though not too much, and from a good quality French bread dried in the oven. Fresh ingredients, of course, are needed, and I personally like a little cayenne to kick it up a notch, maybe a dash of Tabasco, but that's also the influence of the Cajun and Creole food I ate in Houston (mmm, Ragin' Cajun, Blue Oyster Bar, Pe-Te's...) But I digress.

I suggest you take a slow careful read of the bogus voice transcript sts, better stock up on tissues before you start. The part about the laser gets us all choked up. You know, all the money we gave those jerks. Kinda hard to read it without balling your eyeballs out!!!!

 

[Patrick1000]

same for you Matt as sts

Of course, you think it does, otherwise your lame brain theory would be in even deeper trouble. Footnote (c) applies to the photo position obtained from the map mentioned in footnote (a), not to any other navigation method. I posted a picture of it! Everybody can see it. Who here can see it?

Since you intentionally neglected to mention the reconstructed accelerometer trajectory out of sheer intellectual cowardice allow me to quote myself:



Yet you continue:
Bolding mine. This whole time you've been saying Lick was given the EXACT rendezvous radar position before Reed came in the morning, and mocked my assertion the positions did not match, saying they were close enough, and yet his position was off, if you apply the map corrections, which you're not supposed to do, by 40" of latitude and 17" of longitude, and even more off if you don't apply the map correction. Yet the reconstructed accelerometer trajectory is off by 1" and 1" (no doubt due to rounding errors when converting between a thousandth decimal place and one second of arc) and suddenly that's not close enough??? How does your ludicrously inconsistent logic not make your brain explode?

If you're going to apply the corrections to the rendezvous radar position you have to apply them to the reconstructed accelerometer position, too. So Mission Control reconstructed the PGNCS trajectory with the known errors and came up with a new position. Someone converted it to map coordinates and someone else passed it on to Lick. Mystery Solved!

Yet all the positions in Table 5-IV, including the ones available when Reed came into work, are within 5 miles of each other. So this FIDO either can't do simple spherical trigonometry or he is using artistic license. Yet another non-issue you keep regurgitating.

Since you will just quote the same old nonsense and ignore all this information I bid you good night. Your mom should be in soon to tuck you into bed.

I suggest you go over to sts's place and commiserate with him. Might not hurt as badly.

 

[Patrick1000]

There's your coordinates

Do flights from San fran to India even go through Europe?

There are your coordinates Red, the capCom has them 6 days before the laser was said to have worked by the very scientists operating it. Pity!!!!

 

[Patrick1000]

Write circles around you Rookie!!!

He lies about everything. It's very obvious from certain phrases that he uses that he is much younger than he claims.

I can write circles in the sky around you and your bogus phony space ship, thank you very much. This party is over dude!!!!