Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[nomuse]

Given the circumstances (Borman had taken 2 Seconol, they had been quarantined, they were in zero gravity. . .) the flight docs would have a pretty good guess that any gastrointestinal malfunctions are likely to have prosaic origins.

They had an even better guess. But I apparently have the advantage over Doctor Socks -- I read the preliminary clinical report.

 

[Ranb]

Ranb, all agree, not a point in dispute, that Lick Observatory was given the coordinates of Tranquility Base on the evening of 07/20/1969. Questions for you. When were the coordinates given to Lick? Who gave them to the Lick staff? What were those coordinates? Answer those questions for yourself and for me, quite simple, you can use a computer, and you will see the truth in what I say. go for it Ranb. I eagerly await your findings.

My research shows that Apollo landed men on the moon and returned them. I agree with Reed about these facts.

So when you say "all agree, not a point in dispute", does his mean you agree with everything Reed said? Or do you only agree with those few things Reed said that allegedly support your conclusions?

Ranb

 

[SezMe]

Case in point, the inability/refusal to use the quote function, costing genuine members lots of time to figure out which post he is on about.

My theory is that the robot that works with the amazing language generator is not working properly. It's supposed to be able to hit the quote button but it seems to have accuracy problems. In fact, it barfed all over the mouse and Pat is looking up medical references, including the DSM IV, to see what standard medical/robotic protocol is.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Patrick, I fear you may be getting distracted by your computer's willful behaviour in repeating your posts unbidden. Can you turn your medical expertise to the question of salmonella: When an astronaut who's been in a completely controlled environment for some time suffers vomiting and diahorrea many hours into a flight, how likely a diagnosis do you think salmonella is?

I ask in all sincerity, as you're the doctor (aren't you?) and I'm just some guy on the internet.

 

[Patrick1000]

"Our" answer? "Our"? Realize this: I think you are a troll. It's the more polite alternative.


Additionally, if that article was the one you were hoping would turn up (implying you were aware of it), then you already know the answers to the first 3 of your questions. Your method of argument is patronizing and disingenuous.

Not patronizing, nor disingenuous . I mentioned this article before, many times. Of course I was very aware of it, as would be others that read my posts. Perhaps not the exact article, but its substance.

There is no hidden agenda X, the 4 questions are rhetorical in nature, taken in aggregate and given the context of the experience when one answers all 4.

There is no trolling , a point is simply being made. I would encourage you to continue.

 

[Patrick1000]

Irrelevant...you are clueless when it comes to Apollo, demonstrated by YOUR FALSE PREMISE that it was necessary to have precise coordinates in order for the laser retro reflector to receive the beam from Earth.


Other than showing how wrong you are, why can't you address that point??

The question here has nothing to do with precise coordinates RAF. Who said anything about precise coordinates. The question asks who gave them, what were they, how were they determined, when were they given?

 

[Patrick1000]

You have failed simple reading comprehension. X is saying what you have repeatedly and intentionally failed to understand.

I think I understand my 4 questions quite well Matt as does X who began in answering them just as I did.

I think I understand quite well Matt, I understand the answer just as your colleague X does.

 

[Patrick1000]

Lick called NASA and got the coordinates as calculated and radioed back by Armstrong and Aldrin.

As has been already answered in your other thread. Link

See there Matt, no confusion there. X and I have the same understanding. Maybe it is you that are off a bit here. This article X has pointed out, linked, isn't it interesting, really informative, like you are right there on that important night?

 

[332nd]

See that there RAF, nothing about accuracy, you are way off target

"precise location" has nothing to do with accuracy?

 

[Patrick1000]

"precise location" has nothing to do with accuracy?

I don't believe the 4 question say anything at all about precise location, accuracy or anything of that nature Red. who, when, how,what they ask. Nothing there about accuracy being important, at least not yet. We can get to that if you like, but I guess we have to first agree on the inaccurate, very non precise results used. So have a shot Red.

 

[MG1962]

Patrick the astronauts didnt need much precision the laser fired at the moon paints a circle 7km in radi

Apollo 11 landed within 6km of it's preplotted landing positon. So the Astronauts didn't actually have to tell anyone anything.

Armstrong did not need to report his position. Triangulation of his radio transmissions would give a far more accurate location than he would have been able to establish in the time they had on the Moon.

The area intended for the landing had been extensively mapped two years before by an automatic probe. If all else failed, the crew simply had to describe what they saw and cartographers back on Earth could do the rest

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Well, you've convinced me. Apollo 11 was faked. Now what about Apollo 12, Apollo 13, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16 and Apollo 17?

And why would I want to lick an observatory?

Ask the Lick Staff.

 

[Patrick1000]

Patrick the astronauts didnt need much precision the laser fired at the moon paints a circle 7km in radi

Apollo 11 landed within 6km of it's preplotted landing positon. So the Astronauts didn't actually have to tell anyone anything.

Armstrong did not need to report his position. Triangulation of his radio transmissions would give a far more accurate location than he would have been able to establish in the time they had on the Moon.

The area intended for the landing had been extensively mapped two years before by an automatic probe. If all else failed, the crew simply had to describe what they saw and cartographers back on Earth could do the rest

Agreed M, what ever is your point sir?

 

[Patrick1000]

Ask the Lick Staff.

I have asked the staff, well studied their papers as well as those of the LRRR experiment's primary investigators Apollo. That is what we are doing here, exploring that. I am eager to see what you have come up with. Did you see X's great start above?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

The dead insects, once nicely decomposed, are surprisingly tasty.

I once licked most of Mt Palomar.

I tried licking my own telescope once. Didn't really work.

 

[332nd]

I don't believe the 4 question say anything at all about precise location, accuracy or anything of that nature Red. who, when, how,what they ask. Nothing there about accuracy being important, at least not yet. We can get to that if you like, but I guess we have to first agree on the inaccurate, very non precise results used. So have a shot Red.

1: Armstrong.
2: just before landing.
3.0,41,15N 23,25,45E.
4.by lick or Armstrong?

 

[Patrick1000]

Patrick, I fear you may be getting distracted by your computer's willful behaviour in repeating your posts unbidden. Can you turn your medical expertise to the question of salmonella: When an astronaut who's been in a completely controlled environment for some time suffers vomiting and diahorrea many hours into a flight, how likely a diagnosis do you think salmonella is?

I ask in all sincerity, as you're the doctor (aren't you?) and I'm just some guy on the internet.

Using my computer at home now, should not be a problem.

Salmonella is one of several bugs the docs would worry about were this real. Infectious diarrhea of some kind would be high on the differential, though vomiting with diarrhea would encourage docs to consider other things as well. Seconal ingestion would typically not be viewed as likely, given the diarrhea, garden variety space sickness was not understood, now that it is, it typically is not viewed as a problem associated with the development of diarrhea. Hope that helps. Pat

 

[Patrick1000]

My theory is that the robot that works with the amazing language generator is not working properly. It's supposed to be able to hit the quote button but it seems to have accuracy problems. In fact, it barfed all over the mouse and Pat is looking up medical references, including the DSM IV, to see what standard medical/robotic protocol is.

I have no use for writing software. I am more than competent as regards my abilities as a writer and would never choose to employ a garden variety thesaurus, let alone a more sophisticated writing tool. From the time of my grade school writings, they have found a publisher, thank you very much.

 

[tsig]

I have no use for writing software. I am more than competent as regards my abilities as a writer and would never choose to employ a garden variety thesaurus, let alone a more sophisticated writing tool. From the time of my grade school writings, they have found a publisher, thank you very much.

My mom put my crayon drawings on the fridge too.

 

[Patrick1000]

My research shows that Apollo landed men on the moon and returned them. I agree with Reed about these facts.

So when you say "all agree, not a point in dispute", does his mean you agree with everything Reed said? Or do you only agree with those few things Reed said that allegedly support your conclusions?

Ranb

My point is, NASA's own narrative, the story as told by the Lick Observatory staff, the story as told by the primary LRRR experiment's primary investigators, the story as told by the Apollo Lunar scientists(Donald Beattie et al), all these stories feature the Lick Observatory staff being informed of the Tranquility Base coordinates on the night of the landing , 07/20/1969. The fact that the Lick Observatory staff was given the Tranquility Base coordinates on the night of the landing is a point, a fact, not in dispute.