Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[TheRedWorm]

They went to the moon.

We know this not just because NASA said so, we know this because the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics also said so.

Anyone with three radio antennas and an accurate clock can pinpoint the position of a radio broadcast in 3 dimensions. And the russians were slightly more experienced at this than the more technologically advanced Americans. The russians watched a radio source ascend to orbit from Cape Canaveral, then travel to the Moon. They watched the radio source orbit the Moon, land and then return across 250,000 miles of space.

To believe that the Apollo landings were a hoax is to believe that the largest empire in history, and one of it's bloodiest, one that would murder tens of millions of its own citizens in the belief that this protected its internal stability, an empire typified by unprovoked agression and wars of conquest, the largest state exporter and sponsor of terrorism in history... would simply allow itself to fracture, split apart and quietly fade, all the while protecting the secret that its first worst enemy didn't really win the biggest propaganda battle in historys biggest staring contest.

Well, when you put it like that, it's almost as if the hoax claims are a bit implausible

 

[EventHorizon]

I don't. I find that it is all too often artifically contrived and stilted.

 

[DC]

DC, none of the landings are "real". Apollo 11 is a good one, a sort of fun one, to study though because of the Apollo 11 post flight press conference, the LUNA factor, Remington Stone's great writing about the LRRR issue and the SCIENCE articles by the LRRR principal investigators that relate to the first targetings. I like Apollo 11 the most. It has the richest background because of its primacy. The materials with regard to Apollo 11 are more detailed and plentiful.

when you are correct, would you agree that this video below is NASA's best fake?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

BTW, did you all hear what happened when the Apollo 11 crew went to the White House for then 40th anniversary commemoration?

Aldrin and Armstrong went inside to meet the President while Micheal Collins stayed in the car and drove around the block.

bu-dump-bump Pshhhh!

 

[Erock]

bu-dump-bump Pshhhh!

 

[Erock]

when you are correct, would you agree that this video below is NASA's best fake?

It's good, but not as good as this one...

 

[mercatormac]

Redtail, the Soviets had LUNA 15, a satellite with excellent photographic capabilities WAITING FOR APOLLO 11'S ARRIVAL. How much the Russians knew about the fraud is not clear to me, but the Apollo effort understood the photographic threat posed by LUNA 15.

Try this on for size Redtail. The Eagle touches down and Armstrong says, "Houston we are at 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east." LUNA 15 flies by and photographs nothing or perhaps a LRRR sans associated astro-not-very-Eagle-Scouts.

LUNA 15 was perceived as a threat and it makes Apollo 11's fraudulence particularly easy to read.

NASA certainly dodged a bullet there then. One thing I don't understand though, how does NASA prevent Luna 16, Luna 17, Luna 18, Luna 19, Luna 20, Luna 21, Luna 22, Luna 23 and Luna 24 or any other space probe from photographing the non-landing site and blowing the hoax wide open?

 

[DC]

It's good, but not as good as this one...

ha nice never saw that.

 

[theprestige]

BTW, did you all hear what happened when the Apollo 11 crew went to the White House for then 40th anniversary commemoration?

Aldrin and Armstrong went inside to meet the President while Micheal Collins stayed in the car and drove around the block.

When he got to the far side of the White House, Collins became the loneliest man in Washington, D.C.

 

[twinstead]

Patrick you deny the undeniable. There's a special term for people who do that.

 

[Macgyver1968]

Patrick you deny the undeniable. There's a special term for people who do that.

Crazy?

 

[twinstead]

Crazy?

Ah, that's the word I was looking for.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

BTW, did you all hear what happened when the Apollo 11 crew went to the White House for then 40th anniversary commemoration?

Aldrin and Armstrong went inside to meet the President while Micheal Collins stayed in the car and drove around the block.

So incredibly awesome. I'm totally stealing that.

 

[Patrick1000]

twinstead,

Crazy like a fox, you betcha'.

Follow the facts where they lead. David Reed is not crazy. What is it you know about Apollo twinstead that Reed doesn't know? He sat at the bench of Mission Control, their most talented , most capable launch FIDO. He thought Neil Armstrong was lost on the morning of 07/21/1969 until Reed himself managed to "find" him. Armstrong described the landscape that morning for the benefit of the US Geological Survey guys looking for him on their "crude maps". Was Armstrong himself wrong? did he really know where he was?

So twinstead, was Reed wrong or fooled? Was Armstrong wrong or fooled? Was the location of the Eagle's perch known to any reasonable degree of accuracy before Reed sat down to work on the morning or 07/21/1969? Is it crazy to believe Reed's accounting of the facts that morning, an accounting supported by Armstrong's own telling of the lunar landing story? I don't disagree with Reed's accounting, nor Armstrong's. I believe the Mission Control boys did not know where Eagle was within 25,000 feet/5 miles give or take anyway as stated by Reed. Armstrong supports that position. Why am I crazy for supporting it?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Ah, yes, another old familiar tactic: Ignore all responses relevant to the thread and instead attempt to back random posters into rhetorical or technical corners of your choosing.

Whatev's.

Care to tell us how moon rocks could be faked? 'Cuz if you can't then there's no bother continuing to waffle on about 12 digit grid coordinates.

Care to tell us how the largest rocket ever built could be hidden from view while orbiting the earth? If ya can't then there's no real reason to continue flailing in the general direction of voice transcripts.

Care to tell us how fake photographs NOT taken from the moon could accurately show weather patterns on earth, corroborated with various outside sources? If not then you might as well stop hammering on the bent nail of telescopes.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Great! So, about those rocks. . .

 

[Patrick1000]

Thanks ApolloG, thought I was stuck in that telescope mode there. Again, nobody's fault but my own. I was just trying to respond to your challenges.

 

[sts60]

Speaking of fattydash - what do the numerous changes and contradictions in your claims say about your honesty? After all, you keep telling us that there are contradictions in the A11 story and that this means it is a lie. Similarly, what about the numerous times you lied in accepting the TOSs of BAUT and AH when creating sock-puppets there? It's relevant because you're the one who started harping about honesty.

Also, in regard to "evaluating the narrative" - how many space missions have you personally worked?

Also, exactly what evidence do you have for your claim that the A11 LRRR was placed by anything other than the crew of Apollo 11? No handwaving. Just any actual evidence for this particular claim.

Oh, and please provide a description of Luna 15's ability to conclusively image the A11 landing site from orbit; it certainly didn't do so in proximity (despite your previous claim that it "hovered about") as it landed a good fraction of the Moon's circumference away. I've worked on image tasking systems for high-resolution imaging satellites, so this ought to be good.

 

[Patrick1000]

sts,

FYI sts, you seem to be under the impression that "fattydash" is ONE flesh and blood person who is a sock artist, ever finding his/her way back onto a site. Ironically, such is not the case. "Fattydash" is NOT one guy/gal.

To allay any anxieties here. My name is indeed Patrick. I am not the Apollohoax "fattydash" poster. Though admittedly I did copy some of the "fattydash" stuff and try and post it here for expediency's sake. I study similar materials obviously. I didn't realize there was a rule against such copying and I do sincerely apologize. I, Patrick, do promise to be the only person posting here under the user name Patrick1000.

Hope that was helpful sts.

 

[sts60]

That's funny. You tell us you're not fattydash, but you also tell us a story about the exact nature of fattydash.

Yes, you're fattydash and DoctorTea and all those other tedious sock-puppets. But it doesn't really matter; you're using the same bogus, self-contradictory arguments even if you weren't the same person. The questions stand.