Why not war against Islam?

[bikerdruid]

That's it? That's all I'd get from volunteering to be buried under one of ANTpogo's word avalanches?

But I already knew the tedious little detail that different Muslim sects disagree with each other, often to the point of coming to blows. And that different sects disagree on the meaning of "jihad". Which does not alter the fact that jihad is the centerpiece of the religion, and yet they can't even agree on what that means. And yet I am supposedly the ignorant one, who doesn't know all the tedious little details of all the conflicting beliefs, translations, and interpretations.



The tedium of the details of false religious beliefs do not preclude me from being able to read about the utter tedium of it all. In fact, my ability to read about the utter tedium of it all is the primary motivator leading me to avoid spending hours, even days, perhaps even weeks nitpicking and nattering over the utter tedium of it all.

your excessive usage of 'tedium' has become tedious.
don't you own a thesaurus?

 

[Toontown]

By actually reading what Muslims say about their beliefs you might learn why Muslims "bother with the ancient benighted belief system". If you're not interested in that, then you're not interested.

But I already know why they bother with it. They bother with it because they were born into it and were indoctrinated at an early age.

I quoted Mark6 so that your words would have context. He didn't use 'jihad' -- you used that word. Mark6 used: 'war against infidels'.

I'm sure that's very, very significant to you, in a way that only you can comprehend.

Do you deny that militant Muslims use the term 'jihad' in reference to war against infidels?

Then you replied:
"The call for jihad is the centerpiece of the religion. If the majority of Muslims disagree, then why do they even bother with the ancient benighted belief system? Are they afraid their Muslim brothers will murder them if they renounce Islam?"

Which is very important to you, because you are currently engaged in a dishonest "jihad" to pretend that "holy war against indfidels" is not one of the contextual meanings of "jihad". You won't fool many with that ploy, but those you do fool will believe I am totally ignorant of the meaning of 'jihad'.

Perhaps the authors of the online dictionary are also totally ignorant:

ji·had also je·had (j-häd)
n.
1. Islam An individual's striving for spiritual self-perfection.
2. Islam A Muslim holy war or spiritual struggle against infidels.
3. A crusade or struggle: "The war against smoking is turning into a jihad against people who smoke" (Fortune).
________________________________

And the authors of the American Heritage® Dictionary:

jihad, jehad [dʒɪˈhæd]
n
1. (Non-Christian Religions / Islam) Islam a holy war against infidels undertaken by Muslims in defence of the Islamic faith
2. (Non-Christian Religions / Islam) Islam the personal struggle of the individual believer against evil and persecution
3. Rare a crusade in support of a cause
________________________________

And thereby miss out on WHY educated people say the things they do.

And you, no doubt, count yourself among the "educated", knowing a lot of tedious details about Muslim religious beliefs. But IMV, that just means you've wasted a lot of time learning all the tedious little details of a false belief system, when you could have simply looked up anything you actually needed to know.

Tediously aquired knowledge which you now clearly have no use for, or you wouldn't be wasting even more of your time busting my balls about it, trying to make it all appear quite meaningful and portentious.

Bottom line: Stop kidding yourself. I know exactly why pseudo-intellectual progressives say the things they do.

 

[Toontown]

your excessive usage of 'tedium' has become tedious.
don't you own a thesaurus?

Good. Perhaps the utter, repetitive tedium of it all will impart insight into how I feel when I am bombarded with reams of utterly tedious details about the conflicting tenets of various Muslim beliefs, definitions, and interpretations, in an all too transparently odious effort to prove my ignorance of the entirely tedious subject.

 

[I Ratant]

AGAIN.....your COGNITIVE DISSONANCE is blatantly obvious......

I definitely would put Judaism, Christianity and Islam on the "harmful destructive cult" side.

On the "harmless ideology that is mostly good" side of the DICHOTOMY…. I don't know of any religion that fits that bill.....but DEFINITELY not any religion that stems from the -

Infanticidal, Megalomaniacal, Homicidal, Racist, LYING, RAPING, INCESTUAL, Jealous, Lustful, Gluttonous, Greedy, Slothful, Envious, Vain, Pompous, Wrathful, Vengeful, Deceitful, Egotistical, Malevolent, Benighted MORON called YHWH (a.k.a Jesus, a.k.a. Allah).​

ETA: all the above traits can be proven through the Bible itself.

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Just a cautionary note... frequent use of different fonts and colors is generally typical of a disturbed mind's rants.
You might tone it down a bit.

 

[FireGarden]

But I already know why they bother with it. They bother with it because they were born into it and were indoctrinated at an early age.

Including the converts, no doubt.

Which is very important to you, because you are currently engaged in a dishonest "jihad" to pretend that "holy war against indfidels" is not one of the contextual meanings of "jihad". You won't fool many with that ploy, but those you do fool will believe I am totally ignorant of the meaning of 'jihad'.

There is nothing in my posts to suggest your strawman.

And you, no doubt, count yourself among the "educated", knowing a lot of tedious details about Muslim religious beliefs. But IMV, that just means you've wasted a lot of time learning all the tedious little details of a false belief system, when you could have simply looked up anything you actually needed to know.

So instead of learning, I just need to look things up. Thanks. That will save me a lot of time.

 

[Leumas]

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Just a cautionary note... frequent use of different fonts and colors is generally typical of a disturbed mind's rants.
You might tone it down a bit.

In a more ignorant age people used to think that a person who does not speak their language in the same accent as theirs is retarded or backward or lesser class or lesser species.

But we know very well that this is an IGNORANT outlook on life.

Think of my STYLE as a different ACCENT to yours....then it is up to you how you want to judge my state of mind from there.

Also according to Rule 12
“Address the argument, not the arguer."

If you do not want to be falling for a logical fallacy....then I don't think it matters if I am crazy or not or if I appear to be crazy or not.... it is what I say that matters.

ETA: Also I think Rule 11 applies here too.

 

[Toontown]

Including the converts, no doubt.

Damn. I forgot to mention the converts, gave you an opening, and you moved right in. Because the converts are very, very important, because there are so very many of them.

I guess that's what happens when one fails to pay attention to every tedious little detail.

There is nothing in my posts to suggest your strawman.

Then I fail to see why you belabored the whole 'jihad' definition thingy in the first place. What were you trying to prove? Everybody knows 'jihad' carries the multiple meanings listed in the dictionary definitions I posted. And everybody knows "holy war against infidels" is one of the meanings, arguably the most important and often-invoked one.

So instead of learning, I just need to look things up. Thanks. That will save me a lot of time.

You could have saved yourself a lot of time and aspirin. How badly do you think you need to have memorized all the tedious little details of a false belief system?

Oh well. I would never drive myself insane by immersing myself in the utter tedium of the vast wasteland of Muslim belief, but Whatever scoots yer boot. As long as you don't try to make it scoot mine.

 

[Bill Thompson]

We are already at war with Islam. The question is moot.
We are at war with Islam just as we are at war with Scientology and Mormonism.

 

[citizenzen]

We are at war with Islam just as we are at war with Scientology and Mormonism.

You ever try just getting along?

 

[Complexity]

I regard christianity, islam, scientology, and mormonism as equally inane, superstitious, and dangerous.

 

[Bill Thompson]

You ever try just getting along?

Are you kidding? Ever try seeing reality instead of what you wish was true?

Do you think 9-11 was a one-time deal?

It was big by accident. They wanted to kill a few hundred people, not about 30 hundred. Osama bin Laden was on the FBI most wanted list already for the USS Cole and the South African Embassy Bombings.

Would Salmon Rushdie agree that every religion has its extreme elements and his death threats are coming from fringe elements of Islam; or would he think that his death threats are just part of the common mainstream nature of Islam?

Would Theo Van Gogh agree (if he had not been stabbed and beheaded on a public street) that every religion has its extreme elements and his death threat was coming from fringe elements of Islam or would he think that his death threats are just part of the common mainstream nature of Islam?

So I ask this. Are you kidding? It is not just a rhetorical question. If you are NOT kidding. I think you should look into "youtube for Team America's 3 kinds of people in the world".

Do you think that if we treat Islam with respect and forgiveness, they will respond in kind? Do you think Israelis would think this is a plausable and realistic view? I know Israelis. They do not think this way.

Don't get me wrong. I have close and personal friends who are Muslim. I have close and personal friends who are Mormons. They are kind, gentile people. All the more reason that their liberation is necessary and required.

At what point does tollerance cross the line and become intollerance?

If we are tollerant of rapists then we become intollerant of the health and safety of our wives, girlfriends, friends, daughters and mothers.

If we are tolleant of Islam we become intollerant of humanity and the survival of western culture and rationality, logic, reason and progress.

The sad thing is that you are probably smart enough to know I am right. You just don't like what I am saying and so you want to fight it as if that will somehow change reality. You would rather be blind than unhappy.

 

[Bill Thompson]

I regard christianity, islam, scientology, and mormonism as equally inane, superstitious, and dangerous.

That is a different topic.
By the way who is that a photo of?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/customavatars/avatar6626_1.gif

 

[FireGarden]

Damn. I forgot to mention the converts, gave you an opening, and you moved right in. Because the converts are very, very important, because there are so very many of them.

I guess that's what happens when one fails to pay attention to every tedious little detail.



Then I fail to see why you belabored the whole 'jihad' definition thingy in the first place. What were you trying to prove? Everybody knows 'jihad' carries the multiple meanings listed in the dictionary definitions I posted. And everybody knows "holy war against infidels" is one of the meanings, arguably the most important and often-invoked one.



You could have saved yourself a lot of time and aspirin. How badly do you think you need to have memorized all the tedious little details of a false belief system?

Oh well. I would never drive myself insane by immersing myself in the utter tedium of the vast wasteland of Muslim belief, but Whatever scoots yer boot. As long as you don't try to make it scoot mine.

Yes, I'll try that from now on.
When talking with people, I won't bother to pay attention to the tedious details of what they're saying. I'll just classify them in some category and look up what I need to know. Of course, I'll always admit that not everyone in the category believes what I looked up, and then I'll take to task everyone who points that out.

btw,
Why do people like you wear their jackets back to front?

 

[FireGarden]

That is a different topic.
By the way who is that a photo of?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/customavatars/avatar6626_1.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

 

[Dayan81]

...Do you think that if we treat Islam with respect and forgiveness, they will respond in kind?....

Why start now.

 

[Bill Thompson]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7467109&postcount=356

 

[Bill Thompson]

Why start now.

Sigh. Bill Clinton tried. He was afraid of nabbing Osama bin Laden when bin Laden was on the FBI's most wanted list and practically handed over to him. Clinton did not want to anger the Muslim world for arresting a champion of Islam even if he did bomb the Cole.

You don't remember or are too young to know, Clinton and the Israeli president gave the Yasser Arafat everything that the Palestinians asked for and yet they still refused to agree to a peace treaty. The three leaders went to Camp David and the Americans and the Israelis were baffled by the Arabs behavior.

Experience has told us that giving the Muslims land or agreements for peace only encourages them to fight for more. They do not want peace, generally as an official policy. THey do not fight and kill for political reasons or really for land. They fight because their religion tells them to.

I do not think your comment is one based on history or experience or reality.

The UN and the Brits have carved up the boundaries of countries throughout the Mid East. It is only because one country is a Jewish one that they have a problem with.

It is nice to think that they hate us because we have been bad to them. That seems to be a talking point of the Dems. It is not really true.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Team America's 3 Kinds of People

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=youtube+for+Team+America%27s+3+kinds+of+people+in+the+world&pbx=1&oq=youtube+for+Team+America%27s+3+kinds+of+people+in+the+world&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=628861l628861l2l630201l1l1l0l0l0l0l268l268l2-1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=43b3d7638083a689&biw=1356&bih=626

 

[Xero]

And you, no doubt, count yourself among the "educated", knowing a lot of tedious details about Muslim religious beliefs. But IMV, that just means you've wasted a lot of time learning all the tedious little details of a false belief system, when you could have simply looked up anything you actually needed to know.

Tediously aquired knowledge which you now clearly have no use for, or you wouldn't be wasting even more of your time busting my balls about it, trying to make it all appear quite meaningful and portentious.

Bottom line: Stop kidding yourself. I know exactly why pseudo-intellectual progressives say the things they do.

They're all false belief systems. Doesn't stop people being interested in learning about why people think the way they do. Religions are all false belief systems, but keep telling yourself otherwise if it makes you feel better.

 

[Cleon]

And you, no doubt, count yourself among the "educated", knowing a lot of tedious details about Muslim religious beliefs. But IMV, that just means you've wasted a lot of time learning all the tedious little details of a false belief system, when you could have simply looked up anything you actually needed to know.

Yes, we're aware you prefer the "get talking points from websites" approach over the "know WTF you're talking about" approach.