A comparison of Jesus and Muhammad

[Locknar]

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Posted By: Locknar

 

[MickinEngland]

Surely the Gospels and the Koran clearly illustrate the huge gulf between Christianity and Islam, Jesus and Mohammed, it's common knowledge, right?

 

[bikerdruid]

Surely the Gospels and the Koran clearly illustrate the huge gulf between Christianity and Islam, Jesus and Mohammed, it's common knowledge, right?

actually, anyone who has read both the bible and the koran would be amazed at the incredible similarities.
christianity has much more in common with islam than it has differences.

 

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Posted By: Locknar

 

[stevea]

I am of the opinion that if someone is deciding which religion to join the information would not be pointless.

On what rational basis can someone select a mythology to believe ? I'm baffled at this concept. Say we had a nice collection of stories about Zeus and Thor and then some comparative analysis ... how could this possibly constitute a basic for believing a myth ?

That scientology exists is proof it is true.

The correct analogy is that Scientology's existence implies L. Ron Hubbard existed, not that's it's true.

 

[Akhenaten]

From the article "Evidence for the Resurrection" by Josh McDowell.

Professor Thomas Arnold, for 14 years a headmaster of Rugby, author of the famous, History of Rome, and appointed to the chair of modern history at Oxford, was well acquainted with the value of evidence in determining historical facts. This great scholar said:

"I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is proved by better and fuller evidence of every sort, to the understanding of a fair inquirer, than the great sign which God hath given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead."

Brooke Foss Westcott, an English scholar, said:

"raking all the evidence together, it is not too much to say that there is no historic incident better or more variously supported than the resurrection of Christ. Nothing but the antecedent assumption that it must be false could have suggested the idea of deficiency in the proof of it."

Clark Pinnock Mcmaster University, said:

There exists no document from the ancient world, witnessed by so excellent a set of textual and historical testimonies . . . Skepticism regarding the historical credentials of Christianity is based upon an irrational bias.

E. M. Blaiklock Professor of Classics Auckland University, said:

I claim to be an historian. My approach to Classics is historical. And I tell you that the evidence for the life, the death, and the resurrection of Christ is better authenticated than most of the facts of ancient history . . .

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html

For the actual historical evidence, you might want to read "Part 1" of my Evidence thread in the History Forum.

Sure, you copy/pasted this dreck from one of your favourite apologist text books, but do you actually believe it yourself?

Have a look at this very brief, very incomplete list of historical events:

• 3000 BCE - Menes unifies Upper and Lower Egypt, and establishes his capital at Memphis.
  
  
• 2700 BCE - 365-day calendar is invented ( for Egyptians new year started with June)
  
  
• 2900 BCE - Djoser builds first pyramid, Step Pyramid at Sakkara, with the great help of the chief architect and priest Imhotep.
  
  
• 2600 BCE - Khufu (Cheops) builds the great Pyramid at Giza, followed by Chephren with a second pyramid and the Sphinx and Mycerinus with another pyramid.
  
  
• c2100 BCE - Mentuhotep II, first king of the 11th dynasty reunites Egypt, and established the capital at Thebes.
  
  
• c1674 BCE - Memphis falls to Hyksos.
  
  
• c1550-1085 BCE - NEW KINGDOM of EGYPT-Ahmose completes defeat of Hyksos and unites Egypt under new dynasty.
  
  
• 1512-1448 BCE - During Tuthmosis III, Egyptian rule is extended as far as the Euphrates River to the east and south to the Fourth Cataract of the Nile.
  
  
• c1450 BCE - Thutmosis IV digs the Sphinx out of the sands.
  
  
• c1400 BCE - Volcanic eruption on Thera destroys Mycenae.
  
  
• 1391-1358 BCE - Amenhotep IV changes name to Akhenaten and tries to institute a monotheistic religion by worshipping only the sun-disk god Aten.
  
  
• 1375-50 BCE - Mycenaean customs appear on Crete.
  
  
• 1368-1349 BCE - Tutankhamen restores the old cults at Thebes, but shortly after is assasinated.
  
  
• c1299 BCE - Ramesses II fights Hitties at the Battle of Kadesh. Builds temples at Thebes and Abu Simbel.
  
  
• 1224-1165 BCE - Ramesses III repulses invasion of Seas Peoples. He is considered the last great Egyptian pharaoh.
  
  
• c1200 BCE - Destruction of Cretan palaces and of Priam's city at Troy (Ilium).
  
  
• 776 BCE - First Olympic Games
  
  
• 753 BCE - Romulus founds Roman culture at the Palatine.
  
  
• c750-700 BCE - Homer writes the Iliad and the Odyssey
  
  
• c730-710 BCE -Spartans conquer southwest Peloponnese in the First Messenian War.
  
  
• c671-667 BCE - Assyrians invade Egypt, "sacking" Thebes and Memphis.
  
  
• 540 BCE - Anaximander dies. He is credited with writing the first philosophical treatise and making the first map of know world.
  
  
• 525-404 BCE - 27th dynasty. Conquered by King Conlyses who establishes first Persian domination of Egypt.
  
  
• 524 BCE - Greeks stop the southward Etruscan migration at Cumae.
  
  
• 509 BCE - Romans overthrow tyrant Tarquinius Superbus, ending the Etruscan dynasty.
  
  
• 490 BCE - First Persian War- Athenians defeat Persians at Marathon.
  
  
• 480 BCE - Second Persian War- Persian forces led by Xerxes destroy Athens. Greek forces win a major sea battle at Salamis.
  
  
• 461-446 BCE - First of the Peloponnesian Wars begins between Sparta and Athens.
  
  
• 450 BCE - Twelve Tables of Roman law are published.
  
  
• 441 BCE - Euripides writes his first tragic play.
  
  
• 431-405 BCE - Second of the Peloponnesian Wars between Sparta and Athens.
  
  
• 399 BCE - Socrates is tried and executed for his opposition to the Thirty Tyrants.
  
  
• 396 BCE - The city of Veii is conquered by Romans.
  
  
• 386 BCE - Plato, student of Socrates, founds the Academy.
  
  
• 384 BCE - Aristotle, student of Plato, is born.
  
  
• 359 BCE - Philip II becomes the king of Macedon.
  
  
• 357-356 BCE - Social War- between Macedon and Athens.
  
  
• 356 BCE - Alexander the Great, son of Philip II, is born. The temple of Delphi is destroyed in the Sacred War.
  
  
• 340 BCE - The Latin War begins.
  
  
• 338 BCE - King Philip II defeats Athenians and Thebans.
  
  
• 336 BCE - King Philip II is assassinated, and Alexander the Great ascends the throne.
  
  
• 332 BCE - Alexander the Great of Macedonia defeats Persians at Issus in 333 BC and is given Egypt by the Persian Satrap. He builds a capital at Alexandria.
  
  
• 323 BCE - Alexander the Great dies in Babylon.
  
  
• 264 BCE - First Punic War to take Carthage for dominance of Mediterranean.
  
  
• 241 BCE - Romans win Sicily.
  
  
• 224 BCE - Earthquake destroys the Colossus.
  
  
• 218-201 BCE - Second Punic War brings the defeat of General Hannibal of Carthage.
  
  
• 197 BCE - King Philip V loses to Roman forces at Kynoskephalai.
  
  
• 179 BCE - The Basilica Aemilia is built.
  
  
• 149-146 BCE - Third Punic War ends with the Roman capture of Carthage.
  
  
• 86 BCE - Roman General Sulla seizes Athens.
  
  
• 44 BCE - The assassination of Julius Caesar marks the end of the Roman Republic.
  
  
• 31 BCE - Octavian Caesar defeats Mark Antony and becomes emperor of Rome. He is given title Augustus.
  
  
• 14 BCE - Augustus dies.

Are you seriously claiming that the resurrection (rightly regarded by any critically-thinking person as impossible) of an itinerant preacher whose very existence is disputed is better documented than all of the items on the above list?

Seriously?

 

[DrDave]

Here is a website that offers a comparison of the two historical figures.

http://carm.org/religious-movements/islam/comparison-between-jesus-and-muhammad

So a win for Muhammad there. And he seems more realistic according to that list. So now what?

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

See, what that website doesnt understand is that both muhammed and Jesus are the same person, who will in the future sit upon the Golden Throne of Terra and guide mankind.

Seriously though, the website and comparison are on par with other fanboy websites explaining why superman is better than batman, or the borg would win from the green lanterns etc. My fiction is better than your fiction!
Then again, as long as the bickering stays on the internet and doesnt go up to the historical bloodshed, I guess its a step up

 

[Akhenaten]

So a win for Muhammad there. And he seems more realistic according to that list. So now what?

Presumably DOC's purpose here was to provide some objective information for any who might pass through the forum 'window shopping' for a new religion and thanks to his thoughtfulness Islam will now be gaining a few new followers.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum, DOC.

 

[Leumas]

Presumably DOC's purpose here was to provide some objective information for any who might pass through the forum 'window shopping' for a new religion and thanks to his thoughtfulness Islam will now be gaining a few new followers.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum, DOC.

 

[Lothian]

I found this.

 

[Akhenaten]

I found this.

Certainly had a neat hand, didn't he? Obviously a sign of erudition and something I would definitely be looking for in the founder of any religion I would be considering for my patronage.

I hope DOC will be providing an example of Jesus' signature for comparison purposes.

 

[Leumas]

Certainly had a neat hand, didn't he? Obviously a sign of erudition and something I would definitely be looking for in the founder of any religion I would be considering for my patronage.

I hope DOC will be providing an example of Jesus' signature for comparison purposes.

Not to mention that he also signed in LATIN....what an erudite prophet.

 

[Lothian]

The Hadith explains that Jesus worshiped Allah. There is no reference in the Bible to Mohammed worshiping God.

The conclusion is obvious.

 

[I Ratant]

Certainly had a neat hand, didn't he? Obviously a sign of erudition and something I would definitely be looking for in the founder of any religion I would be considering for my patronage.

I hope DOC will be providing an example of Jesus' signature for comparison purposes.

.
I had a baseball he'd signed, but the dog slobbered all over it and the signature is ruined!

 

[I Ratant]

The Hadith explains that Jesus worshiped Allah. There is no reference in the Bible to Mohammed worshiping God.

The conclusion is obvious.

.
The bible was signed, sealed and cast in concrete years before there was a Mohammed.
He was mentioned, ISTR, though...
Something about "false prophets"....

 

[tsig]

See, what that website doesnt understand is that both muhammed and Jesus are the same person, who will in the future sit upon the Golden Throne of Terra and guide mankind.

Seriously though, the website and comparison are on par with other fanboy websites explaining why superman is better than batman, or the borg would win from the green lanterns etc. My fiction is better than your fiction!
Then again, as long as the bickering stays on the internet and doesnt go up to the historical bloodshed, I guess its a step up

That list fails right out of the gate:

Jesus
Death Jesus died and rose from the dead

 

[tsig]

.
The bible was signed, sealed and cast in concrete years before there was a Mohammed.
He was mentioned, ISTR, though...
Something about "false prophets"....

That would be all of them.

 

[tsig]

Presumably DOC's purpose here was to provide some objective information for any who might pass through the forum 'window shopping' for a new religion and thanks to his thoughtfulness Islam will now be gaining a few new followers.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum, DOC.

Wow, DOC's score keeps growing. We know he's swung at least two here into Atheism and now he's helping Islam!

DOC you're really a agent of discord, aren't you?

 

[DOC]

So a win for Muhammad there. And he seems more realistic according to that list. So now what?

So you have no problems with these comparisons from the link given in post #1:

Slaves --- Jesus owned no slaves ---Muhammad owned slaves.

Women ---Jesus spoke well of women ---Muhammad said women were 1/2 as smart as men (Hadith 3:826; 2:541), that the majority in hell will be women (Had. 1:28,301; 2:161; 7:124), and that women could be mortgaged.