The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

[Hellbound]

So if that is the answer to why this thread is about Edge, then it logically follows that to refute these claims, it is only necessary to point out flaw's in Edge's credibility.

I just have one caveat to this, otherwise I agree with you.

When a person's ONLY response to evidence, and the only argument they can make, is based on their personal belief, their personal observations, and their personal "credentials", for lack of a better word, they bring themselves into the argument. They are using their own credibility as a supporting data point, thus making it relevent to the discussion.

The answer is not "if he's not credible, everythign he believes is false". The answer is "if he's not credible, not capable, and is shown to have no relevent knowledge, then his arguments, based on his own authority, are shown to be unsupported".

Of course, at that point, I don't think there's goign to be much advancement of discussion (so as a matter fo practicality I think the argument is done), but rationally, if one bases their arguments on their own authority, then they have brought the reasonableness of that authority into the debate.

 

[Ladewig]

I won't argue the point. You know best what you were saying.

Regards, Canis

Well, to be fair: that was my intent. After I wrote the post, I did spend a minute or two trying to decide if I should rewrite it to make my point clearer.

 

[edge]

For the following 600 years Petra becomes a forgotten City. No doubt people new of its existence and according to Bedouin tradition it remained occupied by nomadic desert people and occasionally visited by Islamic explorers and travelers. However, as far as Europe was concerned – it had slipped from memory to become no more than another legendary place in a mysterious world.

Petra in Jordan was once again brought to the attention of the West by an explorer by the name of Johann Ludwig Burckhardt. During his time in Syria he had visited Palmyra, Damascus and Lebanon but was intrigued with the stories of a ruined and ancient city forbidden to foreigners. Pretending to be indifferent to Petra he persuaded his guides to take him though the Wadi supposedly on route to another destination and thus in 1812 became the first European to see the city and the tombs for hundreds of years. He died in 1817 but his book - Travels in Syria (Jordaan) and the Holy Land (1822) - compiled from his papers revealed the existence of Petra to the western world.

Lot's of good information here:
http://www.aquiziam.com/petra_story.html

I can't find the exact site but I feel this one is good.

And this:

There is a reference in the Bible that they were one of the nations that refused to permit the wandering Jews lead by Moses to enter their lands.
The Edomites undertook a complete and systematic takeover of the region (Jordan) and established a stronghold that included the plains of the Umm al Biyarah plateau. The archeological remains of many dwellings that date from the 7th century B.C. have been found in the area. In addition, the remains of cisterns for the collection of rain water dating from this time indicate that the occupants were already experimenting with the water management systems that were to become so important to the success of Petra, the city, in the future centuries. The nation of Edom is known to have existed back to the 8th or 9th century BC. The Old Testament dates it back several centuries further. Recent archaeological evidence may indicate an Edomite nation existed as long ago as the 11th century BC, but the topic remains controversial.

(It is worth noting that in keeping with the mysterious origins of Petra, the American Museum of Natural History (website) contradicts the belief that Petra in Jordan was also Edom. A quote from their website on Petra states: "Petra's location in the Holy Land of Arabs, Christians and Jews added enormously to its allure. Some writers identified Petra — wrongly — with ancient Edom, cursed in the Old Testament for having barred Moses and the Israelites. In long-abandoned Petra, many visitors saw powerful confirmation of the prophet Jeremiah's words: "Edom shall be a desolation and every one that goeth by it shall be astonished.")

 

[dafydd]

Lot's of good information here:
http://www.aquiziam.com/petra_story.html

I can't find the exact site but I feel this one is good.

And this:

And the aliens? Have you discounted them ? Is this just a history thread now?

 

[Akhenaten]

And the aliens? Have you discounted them ? Is this just a history thread now?

It's not just the aliens that have gone west. Since it was only established in about 600 BCE, Petra isn't the oldest anything, it's not particularly religious and it isn't a single structure, but a city.

So the thread topic is looking a bit sad.

The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens ​

This thread is now about "The Ampersand".

 

[Lucian]

It's not just the aliens that have gone west. Since it was only established in about 600 BCE, Petra isn't the oldest anything, it's not particularly religious and it isn't a single structure, but a city.

So the thread topic is looking a bit sad.

The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens ​

This thread is now about "The Ampersand".

Who do you think introduced the ampersand, hmmmm? In most human languages, the word "and" isn't really so long that shortening is absolutely necessary; however, I read somewhere that in Alienese, the word "and" stretches to over a thousand letters (most of them silent).

 

[edge]

And the aliens? Have you discounted them ? Is this just a history thread now?

Oh no there's tons more we just started but for me it's just once in a while in here.
So be patient.

This site just hints at what the anicent Hebrews have to say on this subject.
Enoch,

The hidden signifgance of Enoch
Aliens — Atlantis — Ascension

The Theory of Everything Explained and Demonstrated.

Genesis:

5:18. And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch
5:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters
5:20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah
5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters
5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years
5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.


Hebrews


11:5. By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.


Jude 1


13. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
14. Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
15. to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

This is from here; http://www.reversespins.com/enoch.html
as it is coveneant and I just found this site.
See I'm not the only one.
So as you read this site so shall I :
And I found this:

Two things immediately come to mind. One, not much is written about Enoch in the Bible. And two, what obviously commands attention is one of the great mysterious of the Bible. What happened to Enoch? God took him, not only that—he didn't die. But don't fundamentalist Christians like to bandy about the quote "It is given only once to die and then the second death," when they are arguing against reincarnation? Oh, so this is another conveniant exception. Well, what happened to him? Is there somebody else in history who left this planet in a ressurected body? Could the phenomena of ascending back to God not be the exclusive ability and purpose of one man? One of those so-called 'Lost Books of the Bible,' called the Book of Jasher might offer a clue. The Old Testament even mentions Jasher twice, giving it some legitimacy:

Old Testament references to the Book of Jasher:

"Is not this written in the Book of Jasher?" Joshua, 10:13.


"Behold it is written in the Book of Jasher." II Samuel, 1:18


Apparently the Book of Jasher could have been inserted in place of the Book of Genesis since much of it overlaps including the story of Adam and Eve. In some ways, the Book of Jasher is more complete. There is much more on Enoch. If the goal of life is to break the wheel of reincarnation and ascend back to God, then that is reason enough for those who have tampered with the Bible to leave out the Book of Jasher. Why, because it mentions the ascension five times. Here are the excerpts from the Book of Jasher which reference Enoch. You can buy the book or get it online at the links on the bottom of the page.

The Book of Jasher, excerpt on Enoch (underlining is mine):

underlining is his

 

[dafydd]

Oh no there's tons more we just started but for me it's just once in a while in here.
So be patient.

Pass. No need to trouble yourself.

 

[Ladewig]

For the third time:

I'm still a little confused by what you mean by more advanced than us. Can you clarify?

What Earth energies were they using and what devices were they powering with these Earth energies?

I am baffled. I go out of my way to be polite and I am ignored.

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As for quoting the Bible, Edge do you really believe that those people lived over 300 years?

 

[dafydd]

I'm still a little confused by what you mean by more advanced than us. Can you clarify?

What Earth energies were they using and what devices were they powering with these Earth energies?

Edge?

 

[Mudcat]

Edge?

I am quite curious to hear this as well.

 

[dafydd]

C'mon edge,spill the beans about these earth energies.

 

[Mudcat]

C'mon edge,spill the beans about these earth energies.

I'm half expecting some CT free energy claptrap or somewhat... how about you?

 

[tsig]

Holy Grails? An Ark of the Covenent or two?

I see you've made it to over 15,000 posts.

 

[dafydd]

I'm half expecting some CT free energy claptrap or somewhat... how about you?

I don't suppose that edge has heard of ley lines.

 

[Mudcat]

I don't suppose that edge has heard of ley lines.

I have, never could figure out what they are supposed to be though. Every definition of them sounds so suspect I suspect that 'Ley Lines' are nothing more than fantasy fiction plot filler.

 

[MG1962]

I have, never could figure out what they are supposed to be though. Every definition of them sounds so suspect I suspect that 'Ley Lines' are nothing more than fantasy fiction plot filler.

The original concept was actually pretty interesting. A guy called Watkins came up with the idea of line of sight straight paths linked by geological landmarks was ancient mans way of getting around a heavily forrested Britian

 

[dafydd]

I have, never could figure out what they are supposed to be though. Every definition of them sounds so suspect I suspect that 'Ley Lines' are nothing more than fantasy fiction plot filler.

Somebody published a map of some spooky alignments in England a few years ago. It caused quite a stir amongst the new agers until it was disclosed that it was a map of Woolworths stores in England. You can find any number of these lines on any map of ancients sites and churches. They are supposed to be power lines or something like that. They kept the earth fertile and dancing in between the stones of a stone circle at various times of the year was supposed to have released the energy. Woos refer to this as a golden age when man was in touch with nature,which is odd because most people died young back then. The aliens should have helped mankind with gerontology instead of messing around with giant Lego.

 

[dafydd]

The original concept was actually pretty interesting. A guy called Watkins came up with the idea of line of sight straight paths linked by geological landmarks was ancient mans way of getting around a heavily forrested Britian

When questioned about why some of these tracks went through lakes and rivers Watkins replied 'Have you ever seen a child pausing before a puddle and then wading in till the water is over their boots?' I think that ancient man was smarter than that. Not to mention the fact that Watkins thought that some of the tracks were salt routes. Just the thing to to,wading through a lake or river with a load of salt. I have The Old Straight Track on my shelves somewhere.

 

[MG1962]

When questioned about why some of these tracks went through lakes and rivers Watkins replied 'Have you ever seen a child pausing before a puddle and then wading in till the water is over their boots?' I think that ancient man was smarter than that. Not to mention the fact that Watkins thought that some of the tracks were salt routes. Just the thing to to,wading through a lake or river with a load of salt. I have The Old Straight Track on my shelves somewhere.

At least it was a more interesting idea than electromagnetic flux capators drawing down spirutal energry from the galactic north pole