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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

sheeplesnshills said:
he thinks it was unburned thermite lurking in the debris pile that cooked up every now and then. How none was found as the debris was cleaned up is unexplained as is how there are no residues from that which supposedly burned.:rolleyes:

yes, I linked him to landfill fires

yes, that obvious truth was also repeatedly made to him.
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Refer to Cole about the thermite. Landfill fires that lasted for months, despite millions of gallons of water and several rainfalls being dumped on...yeah that's normal.

If you have a problem with Leslie Robertson take it up with him. I'm sure he'd love to hear how you think he's unqualified to recognize molten steel. It's not like he build the world trade center or anything. Before you bring...well what does Robertson think of CD etc...here is part one of a debate with him and Steve Jones. He talks very little of the physics, most how impossible it is for bombs to be planted. When Jones brings up WTC 7 Robertson as quick as humanly possible says I had nothing to do with WTC and can't add anything. It seems odd that a man like him..can add nothing to WTC 7 even from just seeing the video? Why do you think he avoided these topics.
 
Edx said:
He said.... "molten lead carrying flaming carpet"

Why don't you bother reading anything properly?

You also seem to think there exists only two possible metals molten meytal could be, steel or aluminum. But there is also copper, brass, tin, lead etc.




Why do you want to associate with people that can demonstrably lie so easily its second nature and that have no idea how anything works?

Now I asked you ages ago now, if we assume for the sake of argument it is molten steel how did thermite keep steel molten for weeks? In fact even ignoing thermite, how do you propsoe thats ever possible in this situation?
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I told you see Cole...un-reacted thermite..continuing to react. Yes given the situation in the South tower aluminum and steel are really the only options. It's funny with you guys (I don't mean you in particular per say) but you jump up and down it's aluminum it's aluminum, presented with evidence that contradicts it...now it could be any one of many metals.
 
Dayan81 said:
How unbelievably stupid & ignorant. I feel great pitty for those of us who made an honest attempt to bring some reason & sanity to this thread.
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It's long,hard job but somebody has to do it. I salute all the real scientists and engineers here who have the patience and I would like to thank them for educating me over the past few years.
 
It's not like he build the world trade center or anything.
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He built the trade centers with molten steel?

Landfill fires that lasted for months, despite millions of gallons of water and several rainfalls being dumped on...yeah that's normal.
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You may have noticed a bit of rubble covering the smoldering fire. It was once the Trade Towers.
 
tmd2_1 said:
...This thread has been nothing but a total victory. Think about the molten steel was only one point of many in the initial post...
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You have provided zero evidence of molten steel. You have however provided a great deal of evidence that you do not seek the truth of what happened on 9-11.

Its very clear that all you seek it to confirm your pre-conceived notions of what happened on 9-11 and no amount of evidence can or will convince you otherwise.

It is precisely because of views & logic like yours that many individuals compare the 9-11 Truth Movement to a religion and even a cult.
 
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tmd2_1 said:
I told you see Cole...un-reacted thermite..continuing to react. Yes given the situation in the South tower aluminum and steel are really the only options. It's funny with you guys (I don't mean you in particular per say) but you jump up and down it's aluminum it's aluminum, presented with evidence that contradicts it...now it could be any one of many metals.
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You can stop now,you've lost. You don't know it because you are a truther.
 
DGM said:
Yes they do.

http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/

I can show you hundreds of images that look like something they are not.
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Hehe..great minds and all. ll this guy has proven is he doesn't even have basic understanding of how science operates. He has already demonstrated his ignorance to:

-Logic with the ad populum fallacy, among may others.

-Controlled experiments with his deferment to a youtube video in a kitchen.

-Peer review process by presenting youtube videos as refutation of peer reviewed research.

-Verifiability by claiming that simply looking at something is the best method determination.

This guy couldn't be a better poster boy for 9/11 Truth.

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tmd2_1 said:
Refer to Cole about the thermite. Landfill fires that lasted for months, despite millions of gallons of water and several rainfalls being dumped on...yeah that's normal.

If you have a problem with Leslie Robertson take it up with him. I'm sure he'd love to hear how you think he's unqualified to recognize molten steel. It's not like he build the world trade center or anything.
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So just what is the test for being qualified to recognize molten steel from other molten materials?


Before you bring...well what does Robertson think of CD etc...here is part one of a debate with him and Steve Jones. He talks very little of the physics, most how impossible it is for bombs to be planted. When Jones brings up WTC 7 Robertson as quick as humanly possible says I had nothing to do with WTC and can't add anything. It seems odd that a man like him..can add nothing to WTC 7 even from just seeing the video? Why do you think he avoided these topics.
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An intelligent licensed professional will not comment on something that he does not know about, unlike the troofer types you are accustom to.
 
Pictures don't lie... except truthers do.

tmd2_1 can you even prove that the picture you have been discussing for pages is not touched up like the below? As used by Steven Jones for years used to claim was evidence of thermite.





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tmd2_1 said:
I told you see Cole...un-reacted thermite..continuing to react. .
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Unreacted thermite continuing to react and creating "rivers of molten steel"?

1. Can you suggest how many tons of this stuff was in the building?
2. Can you suggest to us why we didn't see thermite pouring from absolutely everywhere? (one single corner of one building is nowhere near enough for what you're claiming)
3. Can you suggest as to how many pounds of thermite is required to melt a single piece of steel into a "river"?
4. If there was so much thermite and so much molten steel, why isn't there any physical evidence of it whatsoever apart from 1 single dodgy picture from someone that has used touched up pictures in the past?
5. Why would they use so much of something that is according to you going to be so suspicious afterwards? Why did they include more than was necessary to bring down the towers so that people could find it later?

And btw you are literally making stuff up about thermite and giving it properties it simply doesn't have.

Thats 5 questions, i expect 5 answers.

Yes given the situation in the South tower aluminum and steel are really the only options. It's funny with you guys (I don't mean you in particular per say) but you jump up and down it's aluminum it's aluminum, presented with evidence that contradicts it...now it could be any one of many metals
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No, its not the only choices, its just one possible choice. As we have told you over and over molten metals is perfectly predicted in normal fires. They even have professional resources telling you about it, what metals you're likely to find melted and even how steel can appear melted but is actually oxidised/corroded. Veteran firefighters have talked about seeing molten steel in other fires and Robertson said it was LIKE seeing a river of steel, for him to be lying about it would also have required him to have been lying then too and just opely admitted the conspiracy to the world for no reason. How then is molten steel more likely than anything else if it makes no sence no matter how you look at it?

Here's another question:

6. If it was so strange, why is it no one cares about it?

There were hundreds and hundreds of clean up workers and firefighters that dealt directly with ground zero. Not a single one said it shouldn't have been there. Not a single person in the peer reviewed literature and professional commentary has mentioned it as being strange. The only people that have an issue with this stuff in a tiny fringe group of nobodies. You have to believe everyone else is either too stupid or they are in on it.
 
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Edx said:
Unreacted thermite continuing to react and creating "rivers of molten steel"?

So then, how many tons of this stuff was in the building?
Can you suggest to us why we don't see thermite pouring from absolutely everywhere?
Can you suggest as to how many pounds of thermite is required to melt the steel into a "river"?

You are literally making stuff up about thermite and giving it properties it simply doesn't have.

Thats 3 questions, i expect 3 answers.
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You'll be lucky. tmd2_1 doesn't have the brains to answer a question,he can only post silly links.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Visual evidence is the best way in my opinion. The people here should try focusing on what's in the video instead of whether it is a video or not. Pictures don't lie (I mean assuming they aren't altered which I have no reason to believe they were) words on a paper can be manipulated many different ways.
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I don't think this picture has been altered from its original......so did the Empire State get dustified before the WTCs and how does that square with me having watched the WTCs burn from the Empire State?
Whats real in that picture? how can you tell?

Now do you have an inkling on the problems relying on visual evidence. I watched Avatar last night and I saw big blue guys and really cool twin rotor helicopters, all LOOKED real to me but clearly were not. Now I know both the picture and the movie are both CGI but the point is that its almost impossible to tell SOME things from just a video. One of those things is the chemical make up of a burning debris flow.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Visual evidence is the best way in my opinion. The people here should try focusing on what's in the video instead of whether it is a video or not. Pictures don't lie (I mean assuming they aren't altered which I have no reason to believe they were) words on a paper can be manipulated many different ways.
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I just looked at my copy of Newton's Principia Mathmatica and I compared it with Images of the first edition on the net and guess what? It hasn't been manipulated,other than translating it from Latin to English. Have you heard of Newton? He was a scientist.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I told you see Cole...un-reacted thermite..continuing to react. Yes given the situation in the South tower aluminum and steel are really the only options.
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what about lead? what do you think UPS batteries are made off? Do you know what a UPS is?

It's funny with you guys (I don't mean you in particular per say) but you jump up and down it's aluminum it's aluminum, presented with evidence that contradicts it...now it could be any one of many metals.
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please point to a single debunker jumping up and down saying "its aluminum it's aluminum"

and since when is your evidence definitive? who do not know whats in that flow so cannot say it cannot be this or that because you have no way of telling. Was it PURE Al....almost certainly not so why would you think pictures of what PURE Al looks like when molten is relevant....was even the temp the same? how can you tell???:confused:
What we do know is that its very very unlikely to be steel.
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Dumb All Over said:
tmd2_1, you mentioned that none of us know what your qualifications are. Would you mind telling us what they are?
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Asked and answered.

tmd2_1 won't reveal his qualifications, education, work experience, or trouser inseam length.
 
Dumb All Over said:
tmd2_1, you mentioned that none of us know what your qualifications are. Would you mind telling us what they are?
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I really don't want to give any personal infrormation. I know qualifications is a pretty safe thing to give, but I would feel better not giving it. I hope you can understand this.
 
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