Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[Travis]

Do you have a blender at home?

The blades probably weigh less than an ounce each.

Some of those girders weighed 10,000 pounds each.

There were hundreds (thousands?) of girders.

These girders were rolling and tumbling as they came down.

The finer the dust, the more likely the wind and collapsing turbulence would spread it from the WTC footprint.

Take a couple of pieces of chalk in your blender, put on your safety glasses, put the lid on the blender, turn on blender.

"Chalk in a blender" do you know how stupid that sounds? Are you 7 years old or 8?

Ha ha ha OMG! LOL! Ha ha mercy. Bwaha ha.



I can't believe that actually happened.

A white paper on the structure of the Twin Towers carried out by the firm of Worthington, Skilling, Helle & Jackson contained eleven numbered points, including:

3. The buildings have been investigated and found to be safe in an assumed collision with a large jet airliner (Boeing 707-DC 8) traveling at 600 miles per hour. Analysis indicates that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact.

http://stj911.org/evidence/wtc.html#gz_visual

And yet they were never able to provide the calculations they think would have proven this. Perhaps because it was just BS.

 

[jaydeehess]

It is a fact that there are hundreds of witnesses who reported hearing and feeling massive explosions..Not one of them, Firefighters,workers who made it out from the towers....William Rodriguez. you all know who he is not one witness was ever questioned or allowed to testify in the investigation of why the towers fell. !

Incorrect. Rodriguiz DID get interviewed by NIST and when he was there and allowed to speak about his experience he CHOSE to speak about the lack of maintenance in the towers and how he had complained to management several times about the condition of the STAIRWELLS.

Only LATER , after he had already spoken with NIST did he seem to ascribe such great significance to the fireball explosions in the towers.

Why did he not CHOOSE to speak about the 'explosions' when he had the chance swyoe?

 

[Dave Rogers]

A white paper on the structure of the Twin Towers carried out by the firm of Worthington, Skilling, Helle & Jackson contained eleven numbered points, including:

3. The buildings have been investigated and found to be safe in an assumed collision with a large jet airliner (Boeing 707-DC 8) traveling at 600 miles per hour. Analysis indicates that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact.

This white paper was published in 1965. Structural modelling has come on more than a little since then. As for fire modelling, it would have been essentially impossible in 1965, so no possible conclusions could have been drawn as to the effects of fires following impact. And since it was probably the combination of fire damage with impact damage that caused the collapses, which can be deduced from the fact that the buildings didn't collapse immediately after the impacts but rather burned for around an hour, then we can safely say that the analysis by Worthington, Skilling, Helle & Jackson is both obsolete and irrelevant.

Dave

 

[seewithyourowneyes]

Moreover, recently declassified U.S. Government documents show that in the 1960s, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan code-named Operation Northwoods to blow up American airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. The operation was not carried out only because the Kennedy administration refused to implement these Pentagon plans.

http://www.examiner.com/us-intelligence-in-national/false-flag-operations


For lots more on the astonishing Operation Northwoods, see the ABC news report; the official declassified documents; and watch this interview with James Bamford, the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. One quote from the Northwoods documents states: "A 'Remember the Maine' incident could be arranged: We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation

 

[bill smith]

I'm not wasting time now....I'm providing information for people who care about TRUTH>>>NOT NONSENCE!!!


Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation.
The September 11 operation modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet's natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows. This operation also favored the US economic and political elite that also seeks world dominance.


Many WORLD LEADERS know 9-11 is a FALSE FLAG OPERATION....




Operation Northwoods

US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR

From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001, p.82 and following.
Scanned and edited by NY Transfer News.

Although no one in Congress could have known it at the time, Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge.

According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba


http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTTgpsAs4_c&feature=related Al Quaeda

 

[Dave Rogers]

Moreover, recently declassified U.S. Government documents show that

We've known about Northwoods for years too. Are you a time traveller, or just very slow at finding things out?

Dave

 

[uke2se]

Isn't this a lovely discussion we're having? One person spamming the hell out of the thread and refusing to answer any questions or back up the crap he's spewing.

 

[Travis]

But he occasionally insults DeathDart and that sort of makes it all worth it. Although DeathDart at least does engage in a dialogue. Maybe seewithyourowneyes will come around.

 

[TjW]

But he occasionally insults DeathDart and that sort of makes it all worth it. Although DeathDart at least does engage in a dialogue. Maybe seewithyourowneyes will come around.

I wouldn't count on it. He's seewithyourowneyes, not talkwithyourownmouth or useyourownbrain.

 

[sylvan8798]

Hmm...so seewithyourowneyes sees with his own eyes, and Clayton Moore does all his calculations with his eyes, and WTC Dust took 8 years to find 9/11 dust with her own eyes...I sense a deeper connection/meaning here somewhere...

 

[dafydd]

Isn't this a lovely discussion we're having? One person spamming the hell out of the thread and refusing to answer any questions or back up the crap he's spewing.

That is what truthers do. And they wonder why the sane world laughs at them.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I would like to point out the confluence of 9/11 woo this week coincides with the briefe gap between the end of many summer camps and the resumption of grade school terms.

They'll be gone in a week, two at the most.

 

[beachnut]

A white paper on the structure of the Twin Towers carried out by the firm of Worthington, Skilling, Helle & Jackson contained eleven numbered points, including:

3. The buildings have been investigated and found to be safe in an assumed collision with a large jet airliner (Boeing 707-DC 8) traveling at 600 miles per hour. Analysis indicates that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact.

http://stj911.org/evidence/wtc.html#gz_visual

Wrong, the white paper was not by Worthington, Skilling, Helle & Jackson. You can't get you delusional nonsense correct! This is funny. It was a port authority document, they made it up, it is false. You fall for false information from the man, and false information from idiots in 911 truth.

Bet you have no idea what a white paper is and you copied and pasted your post from some failed 911 truth site. How come you can't do the physics and math?

White paper in this case was a marketing tool, no science, just an idiot who looked up the speed of a 707 and put down 600 mph. The study, the design of the WTC was for a 180 mph plane lost in the fog, like you are lost in 911 truth repeating debunked junk and spreading lies. 180 mph was the design, not 600. But the towers survived the high speed impacts at 7 and 11 times the design impact speed, but fires doomed them.

Do you have a source for the white paper? I do. It was a mistake, the port authority knew Robertsons did a study on a 707, and erroneously put 600 mph since Robertson did the study at 180 mph, and this was verified after 911 by a study showing it would handle a 200 mph impact.

 

[beachnut]

Moreover, recently declassified U.S. Government documents show that in the 1960s, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan code-named Operation Northwoods to blow up American airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, ...

Fake terrorism, they were not going to kill any Americans. Do better research.

Northwoods is like what 911 truth does, make up false information.

 

[Clayton Moore]

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk&h=RAQAX8XOP

Orange.

 

[DeathDart]

How about 6 degrees to Osama Bin Laden?

Ok, how about figuring out who opened the door and then invited in the ideologically fanatical vampires?

In, as into the C.I.A.

I think it starts with David Boren.

This makes Boren look great. Except too many problem individuals lead back through George Tenet to his mentor David Boren.
http://pds4.egloos.com/pds/200703/27/99/partshp intel ovsght.pdf

This is disturbing.
http://old.mediatransparency.org/reprints/bobdolekoch.htm

https://www.cia.gov/news-informatio...ts/press-release-archive-2001/pr03162001.html
DCI Tenet Appoints New Executive Director
March 16, 2001

The Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), George J. Tenet, announced today the appointment of A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard to serve as Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

The Executive Director is the third ranking position within the CIA and the incumbent functions essentially as the Chief Operating Officer of the Agency. For the past three years Mr. Krongard has served as Counselor to the DCI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._B._Krongard
At a November 14, 2007 House oversight committee hearing about Blackwater, investigating allegations of improper interference by Krongard's brother, Howard, in Justice Department investigations of Blackwater and other State Department contractors, Chairman Henry Waxman stated that A. B. Krongard was on "Blackwater's advisory board".[7] Howard Krongard at first denied that his brother had any connection with Blackwater, saying:

I can tell you, very frankly, I am not aware of any financial interest or position he has with respect to Blackwater. When these ugly rumors started recently, I specifically asked him. I do not believe it is true that he is a member of the advisory board that you stated. And that's something I think I need to say.[8]

However, when confronted with a July 26 letter from Blackwater founder and CEO Erik Prince to Buzzy Krongard asking him to join Blackwater's advisory board, followed by a September 5 letter welcoming Krongard to the board and a report from Rep. Elijah Cummings stating that Buzz Krongard had been expected to attend a Blackwater board meeting earlier that week......

So we have two different forces merging in the government. The Koch's through Boren and Tenet, and a Fanatical pro-Israeli Crusader (with a private Army) Erik Prince through A.B. Krongard, appointed by Tenet.

So now we do have a known sociopath Erik (I'm gonna kill you) Prince in the loop. Unless someone wants to argue that he is not a sociopath?

Will you give me Cheney as being a sociopath?


Crazy can be like an infection, transmitted by social contact.

It is like being the defendant in a trial, where all the jurors cannot even conceive of the government being wrong.

If I can find enough crazy, with some reasonable connections between them and the decision makers, at least a conspiracy becomes an emotional possibility. Your emotions will not have you reject the possibility before your mind has had a chance to see it.

I will call it the Hannibal Lecter insanity through phonics teaching program.

 

[sylvan8798]

Orange.

Grapefruit.

 

[DeathDart]

What I am trying to do is figure out who, and how could you set up an environment where someone who is not that bad (George W. Bush) can see killing 1000's of people, as the lesser of two evils. This has to be a credible environment with information from just before 9-11.

Try to do this from scratch, no microwave conspiracies here. Too many people are just gluing sentences together without any serious analysis.

Historically we have the example of Nazi Germany where prejudiced (less than America at same period) people became methodical and systematic murderers. So, yes it is possible. But is it true in this case? Can it be argued that some of the main actors on this stage we call 9-11 have stared into the Abyss too long?

Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

Friedrich Nietzsche

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Friedrich_Nietzsche/

 

[seewithyourowneyes]

open your mind...

Watch for Barasch in the DVD
“9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out”
Premieres Everywhere September 7-11




Architect Steve Barasch questioned the official explanation of the destruction of Building 7, stating that “modern steel buildings do not behave in that manner.”


Another expert that is speaking out in the new DVD now in production, 9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out is Steve Barasch, founder and president of Barasch Architects & Associates, Inc., a 33-year-old architect planning and engineering firm.

His firm has been involved with 500 office buildings of all types and has designed over 250 facilities “from the ground up” throughout California and the Western US. He has experience in designing both concrete and steel multi-story structures of all types, some of which exceeded 110 feet in height.

Barasch states that “WTC Building 7 was built to a fairly modern code that required stiff columns, stiff beams and a great amount of fireproofing throughout…” He adds, “the way it collapsed does not compute for an unplanned demolition.”

 

[seewithyourowneyes]

I've been collecting videos of eyewitness testimony online for many months and I figured the best way to present them all would be to create a compilation of footage instead of keeping them all separated. Here you have firefighters, citizens, and news reporters all telling you about explosions. Some witnesses explain that they felt an explosion before the plane even hit the building. Others report explosions in the basement, and the lobby. News reporters report that they've been hearing explosions all day, and one reporter Pat Dawson, spoke with the Chief of Safety for the NY Fire Dept. who said that he thought there were bombs planted in the buildings.



Thank you very much for your continued interest in 9/11.

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-04-27/911-explosive-eyewitness-testimony