Geier: Lupron for autism

randman said:
Bram, the fact is taking a different approach yields good results. The idea a developmental condition can be an epidemic is contrary to what medicine previously taught. The proof is in the pudding here. Approaching it as a medical (non-genetic) disorder is showing results.
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Show us the papers.
Show us the studies.

You should know by now that You Tube links really don't cut it...
 
Frankly, all of these animals preying on the families need to be taken out and shot in my opinion.

They are the lowest of the low.

On the upside, didn't Geier just get his license suspended in MD?
 
PJCom said:
.... From the presentations that I have seen on the internet, I find Dr. Geier credible and working in good faith...
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Could you cite those presentations, please?

randman said:
The one thing that makes sense about the massive increase and outbreak of autism is that contrary to mainstream views, it is not genetic but a disease outbreak. The idea that all of the sudden a genetic problem would become an epidemic is contrary to observed data and science...
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First, randman, establish there's an epidemic of autism.


randman said:
Why don't you bother to look up the doctor being discussed in the video rather than the producer of it?
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Ah, back to the vulgar debaters' tricks, randman?
I suggest you present the doctor's published papers.
It's YOUR claim the man has a legitimate approach, after all, randman.
 
randman said:
The one thing that makes sense about the massive increase and outbreak of autism is that contrary to mainstream views, it is not genetic but a disease outbreak. The idea that all of the sudden a genetic problem would become an epidemic is contrary to observed data and science.

It's a disease caused by something or a multiple of factors and should be viewed and approached as such. It is not genetically inborn.
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It's not an epidemic. Rates of schizophrenia are still higher, for instance. Also, there is the X link factor, a genetic explanation for why boys get it 4x more often than girls do.
So, not funny, not funny at all.
 
Also, there is no actual real world evidence anyone has ever been cured of autism. Someone saying so is NOT evidence. Autism affects a stage of brain development more suddenly at 15 months-ish... then the child progressively "improves" as the child ages depending on how much the brain was affected.
 
As you all know, I have a child with autism.

From personal experience, I can tell you that autism comes with a lot of myths and misunderstandings – especially regarding how it develops and exactly what it entails.

With that said, I have to recommend the recently published book The Myth of Autism: How a Misunderstood Epidemic Is Destroying Our Children by Dr. Michael J. Goldberg and Elyse Goldberg.

In the book, Dr. Goldberg, the president of the Neuro-Immune Deficiency Medical Advisory Board, explains why autism must be a symptom of a treatable, neurological disease that attacks the brain’s immune system.

Through personal anecdotes, case studies, and original research, Dr. Goldberg develops an elegant theory on autism – how is not a purely developmental disorder, nor something fixed from birth, and therefore, it must be a disease that can be treated therapeutically.

He correctly refutes the idea that vaccines play a part in the development of autism. Any link between vaccinations and autism diagnoses are purely coincidental, he asserts, because vaccinations are normally given at the same time as the child is undergoing crucial developmental changes.

Furthermore, Dr. Goldberg insists that attention towards the relationship between vaccinations and autism must be dropped in order to focus on the real problem: curing and preventing a complex immune, complex viral disease process. To view autism in this light could rapidly improve current therapy efforts.

Again, as a parent with an autistic child and a physician myself, I have to say that this is one of the best books on autism I have ever read.
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http://www.askdrmanny.com/dr-manny-recommends-the-myth-of-autism-by-dr-michael-goldberg/
 
Tolls said:
Show us the papers.
Show us the studies.

You should know by now that You Tube links really don't cut it...
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Eos of the Eons said:
Also, there is no actual real world evidence anyone has ever been cured of autism. Someone saying so is NOT evidence. Autism affects a stage of brain development more suddenly at 15 months-ish... then the child progressively "improves" as the child ages depending on how much the brain was affected.
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Randman doesn't even accept evolution, don't expect much in the way of evidence for his beliefs.
 
As randman seems to prefer links here are a few articles he should read.

Lupron peddler's license suspended.
The Maryland State Board of Physicians has summarily suspended the license of Mark R. Geier, M.D. The emergency suspension order states that he misrepresented his credentials, operated an institutional review board that did not meet state and federal regulations, and rendered substandard care to nine autistic patients. In six of the patients, the board charges, he inappropriately diagnosed precocious puberty (a rare condition) and administered Lupron, a drug that reduces the body's production of the male hormone testosterone and is used to castrate sex offenders. In three of the patients, he administered inappropriate chelation therapy. Geier has been operating under the name ASD Centers LLC, a chain of clinics that advertises "a new combined genetic, biochemical, heavy metal, and hormonal evaluation/treatment for patients diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder (ASD)." The advertising also asserts that evaluations of more than 600 ASD patients have revealed that most have symptoms and laboratory results consistent with high levels of male hormones. Several experts have denounced Geier's use of Lupron to treat autistic children.
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Lupron treatment for autism blasted.
The Chicago Tribune has published two articles about the use of Lupron for autism and its principal promoters, Dr. Mark Geier and his son David. One article notes:

The therapy is based on medically unsupported claims that autism is caused by a harmful link between mercury and testosterone. Prominent pediatric endocrinologists interviewed for the reports say that the Lupron protocol for autism is supported only by junk science and that the Geiers' claims that autistic children have high testosterone levels are based on misinterpretation of laboratory tests.
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An expert panel of endocrinologists concluded that there is no evidence supporting Lupron therapy for treating autistic children.


Dubious autism article retracted. The journal Autoimmunity Reviews has retracted a poorly reasoned article which claimed that mercury toxicity can cause autism and that the prescription drug Lupron may be useful in treating autistic children and adolescents. The article was written by Mark R. Geier, M.D., and his son David A. Geier, B.A., who have two patent applications pending for an autism treatment using Lupron. The retraction occurred after a blogger complained that the research described in the article violates internationally-accepted standards for the protection of human research subjects and that the authors had (a) insufficiently disclosed their conflicts of interest, (b) relied on suspect sources, (c) misrepresented the work of other authors, and (d) provided inadequate case documentation.

Geier troubles escalate. In April, the Maryland State Board of Physicians issued an emergency suspension order which stated that Mark Geier, M.D had misrepresented his credentials, operated an institutional review board that did not meet state and federal regulations, and rendered substandard care to nine patients with autism. In six of the patients, the board charged, he inappropriately diagnosed precocious puberty (a rare condition) and administered Lupron, a drug that reduces the body's production of the male hormone testosterone and is used to castrate sex offenders. In three of the patients, he administered inappropriate chelation therapy. This week, following a hearing, the Board issued formal charges against him and also charged his son David Geier with practicing medicine without a license. Dr. Geier has appealed the Board's decision.

Maryland's governor removed David Geier from Maryland's Autism Commission.


Two more states suspend Mark Geier's license. The states of Virginia and Washington have suspended the medical license of Mark R. Geier, M.D. In April, the Maryland State Board of Physicians issued an emergency suspension order which stated Geier had misrepresented his credentials, operated an institutional review board that did not meet state and federal regulations, and rendered substandard care to nine patients with autism. In six of the patients, the board charged, he inappropriately diagnosed precocious puberty (a rare condition) and administered Lupron, a drug that reduces the body's production of the male hormone testosterone and is used to castrate sex offenders. Shortly afterward, following a hearing, the Board issued formal charges against him and also charged his son David Geier with practicing medicine without a license. Dr. Geier has appealed the Board's decision. Other states where Geier is licensed have taken no public action as yet. The Geiers have been operating ASD Centers LLC, a chain of clinics that advertises "a new combined genetic, biochemical, heavy metal, and hormonal evaluation/treatment for patients diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder (ASD)." Quackwatch has received credible information that Geier is furnishing medical services through at least one of these clinics by interviewing parents via Skype, ordering tests, and prescribing treatment.

(With thanks to Stephen Barrett)
 
catsmate1 said:
articles of importance for everyone
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Even reading the first part was enough for me to decide not to read anything this dr. Geier has to say.

In contrast with some people, I don't get offended when people call autism a "disease", because for me the word has no real negative connotations, even when used in a negative way.

But to say that ASD (autism spectrum disorder) is a disease...

Firstly, the range is too wide for it to be caused by one "disease". At least, that's as far as I understand it.

Also, if autism is a disease, then why doesn't it get worse in people who do get proper therapy, but not the "treatment"?

Especially the last one doesn't really seem to be considered by people like randman.
 
Bram Kaandorp said:
Not to rain down on your parade, but the amount of people with autism isn't actually significantly higher (as far as I know), it's mainly the amount of diagnoses of autism, since the boundaries for what's considered autism are constantly redefined.

Also, if it's an epidemic, then why does it not spread faster?

(I will not feel insulted, because I'm sure you don't mean it to be)
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You are correct,http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/117/4/1028.abstract

"CONCLUSIONS. Prevalence findings from special education data do not support the claim of an autism epidemic because the administrative prevalence figures for most states are well below epidemiological estimates. The growing administrative prevalence of autism from 1994 to 2003 was associated with corresponding declines in the usage of other diagnostic categories."

There;s more recent evidence of the same trend, but I couldn't link it right away.
 
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