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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

tmd2_1 said:
I'll ask you...what was burning so hot for so many days afterward? Millions of gallons dumped. Several rain falls, and yet it was still burning. Don't say the water couldn't get to it, that means it was oxygen starved as well. Can I prove theremite can burn that long? Maybe not....but there are some who say it can (but I'm sure they are all quacks). The question is what was burning that long.
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There are some who say the Death Star brought down the tower. Should we lend credence to their claims?
 
tmd2_1 said:
I can address your eye witness accounts, with back up to my first point. It seems eye witnesses are ok if they see a plane hit a pentagon...but not ok for molten steel...not ok for explosions...seems a bit odd doesn't it?
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If it a bird?, is it a plane? No its superman.

so what exactly are people supposed to mistake for a plane? Most people these days have flown on them, they see them everyday (especially there, on the flightpath into Reagan National......) many even recognize different makes and models, the 757 is quite distinctive, A320 not so much. 747 and 737 no problem etc etc.

Now molten metals....how many folks regularly even see those let alone actual test them to see what the metal is?
Explosions? Not something you see every day and even less folks actually have jobs determining the cause for them....gas leak, overheated scuba tank, giant fire in office buildings etc etc.

now perhaps you can grasp why people might be 100% right when they say they saw a plane fly past them into a building and why they might be wrong if the said a molten metal was Steel or that an explosion was always caused by explosives?

No you probably can't but it was worth a try:(
 
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tmd2_1 said:
Quite to the contrary. I have quite won.
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You cann't win if you literally ignore all criticisms. In a trial you dont just give your opening statement and then go lay on the beach for the rest of the trial, well you could bu then you'd loose.


Witnesses (qualified ones) said they saw Molten steel.
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And I have veteran firefighter that talked about molten steel in a fire in 1996

Why would Robertson say he saw it and then deny it?
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And yet instead of him misspeaking, you require him to have intentionally gave the game away.

How did thermite create molten steel rivers for weeks again?
 
Edx said:
And yet the picture and video I showed shows glowing aluminium. You know why? Because the ones you keep bringing up are not hot enough.

Unlike steel aluminium can melt without glowing red first, that is why you will find glowing steel but that doesnt mean it was melted.

So at what temp will stainless steel glow red?



http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/wiki/Stainless_Steel

Here's a graphic:
[qimg]http://www.westyorkssteel.com/images/htchar1.gif[/qimg]

I asked you again how thermite can keep steel molten for weeks and create rivers of the stuff. You have again ignored the question. The answer is that its impossible and the best explanation is that the melted metals were OTHER METALS with lower melting points.
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What do they look like after cooling? They all look the same when heated up
 
sheeplesnshills said:
If it a bird?, is it a plane? No its superman.

so what exactly are people supposed to mistake for a plane? Most people these days have flown on them, they see them everyday (especially there, on the flightpath into Reagan National......) many even recognize different makes and models, the 757 is quite distinctive, A320 not so much. 747 and 737 no problem etc etc.

Now molten metals....how many folks regularly even see those let alone actual test them to see what the metal is?
Explosions? Not something you see every day and even less folks actually have jobs determining the cause for them....gas leak, overheated scuba tank, giant fire in office buildings etc etc.

now perhaps you can grasp why people might be 100% right when they say they saw a plane fly past them into a building and why they might be wrong if the said a molten metal was Steel or that an explosion was always caused by explosives?

No you probably can't but it was worth a try:(
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Commercial plane vs military plane/drone....probably didn't get a great look at 500 MPH an hour.
 
Edx said:
You cann't win if you literally ignore all criticisms. In a trial you dont just give your opening statement and then go lay on the beach for the rest of the trial, well you could bu then you'd loose.




And I have veteran firefighter that talked about molten steel in a fire in 1996



And yet instead of him misspeaking, you require him to have intentionally gave the game away.

How did thermite create molten steel rivers for weeks again?
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What have I ignored? Spin robertson any way you like. Thermite answered see above.
 
uke2se said:
Couldn't you at least pretend to answer a question? I mean, Edx has been quite patient with you.
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What didn't I answer? If I did miss something...you have to remember there are many of you, and one of me.
 
tmd2_1 said:
What didn't I answer? If I did miss something...you have to remember there are many of you, and one of me.
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You have repeatedly and steadfastly ignored several aspects of this discussion. For reference, read every single post in this thread.
 
uke2se said:
Cripes, this is getting crazier by the second.
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He asked what an eyewitness could be mistaken of at the pentagon. It could have been a military plane as opposed to a commercial...simple as that. Do I know that...no...I do know the pentagon won't release more footage they clearly have, you can see the camera's pointing in that direction. But simply an example of what they could be mistaken.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I'll ask you...what was burning so hot for so many days afterward? Millions of gallons dumped. Several rain falls, and yet it was still burning. Don't say the water couldn't get to it, that means it was oxygen starved as well.
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Not so. Water is a liquid and flows downwards due to gravity. Oxygen is a gas so can flow down,across and upward into the base of the fire. It is sucked into the fire by the chimney effect of the heated combustion gases rising up through the pile.


Can I prove theremite can burn that long? Maybe not....
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The whole point of thermite is that it burns quickly producing high temps for a short time. How could it burn slowly? It doesn't even need air to burn and it ignites at a relatively low temp.

but there are some who say it can (but I'm sure they are all quacks). The question is what was burning that long.
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tens of thousands of tons of office contents and sadly about 3000 people. the burn rate was slow because of restricted oxygen supply and access and the many thousand of tons of non combustibles also in the pile.
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sheeplesnshills said:
Not so. Water is a liquid and flows downwards due to gravity. Oxygen is a gas so can flow down,across and upward into the base of the fire. It is sucked into the fire by the chimney effect of the heated combustion gases rising up through the pile.




The whole point of thermite is that it burns quickly producing high temps for a short time. How could it burn slowly? It doesn't even need air to burn and it ignites at a relatively low temp.



tens of thousands of tons of office contents and sadly about 3000 people. the burn rate was slow because of restricted oxygen supply and access and the many thousand of tons of non combustibles also in the pile.
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The burn rate was slow because of restricted oxygen?
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Marokkaan said:
You hae right, he just have to ignore all those witnesses and easily say that there were no eyewitnesses of molten steel.

What an easy world :D

Gross told the lie, so he has the fully responsibility
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Even if there was molten steel in the pile (and there isn't any evidence there was) why would it be significant in determining what happened weeks earlier on 9/11?
 
tmd2_1 said:
He asked what an eyewitness could be mistaken of at the pentagon. It could have been a military plane as opposed to a commercial...simple as that. Do I know that...no...I do know the pentagon won't release more footage they clearly have, you can see the camera's pointing in that direction. But simply an example of what they could be mistaken.
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1. Show the cameras pointing in that direction. I mean show, not circle what you think are cameras in a grainy photo.

2. Prove that those cameras were operational.

3. Prove that those cameras had the angle to pick up the plane coming towards the Pentagon.
 
grandmastershek said:
-U shaped aluminum cladding.
-Source showing you can't identify types of metals or temps by eye sight.
Keep going?
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Prove to me that is cladding. In some ways you can...look at that video I posted a noticeable difference between aluminum and steel.
 
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