Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

[Edx]

And yet the steel beams in your picture look exactly like aluminum cladding.



MOLTEN COPPER

MOLTEN GLASS:

MOLTEN TITANIUM:

How can you tell any of these apart just by looking at them?

And btw, maybe you can hazard a guess as to how your mythical brand of thermite managed to keep the steel molten for weeks. The answer is that it cant unless you're suggesting tons of thermite was being continuously added to the pile in order to create these "rivers of steel"

Here's some more:

MOLTEN BRASS:

-original

MOLTEN NICKLE:

-original

MOLTEN ALUMINIUM:

- original

 

[uke2se]

What? i was showing it's usually pretty easy to see molten aluminum as opposed to molten steel. Compare my picture to the pictures I identified at WTC, clearly they do not look the same.

Compare the pictures other posters have provided and you will see that they clearly do look similar enough.

 

[Edx]

Yeah I'm sure the guy who built WTC, knows nothing about what molten steel may look like.

I never said that, I said a veteran firefighter is more knowledgable than a structural engineer of melted metal in a fire and they even have professional firefighting resources and guides that talk about what kinds of melted metals you'll find in a fire and how steel can appear melted when it oxidises.

Why did you ignore all my points? Im not going to write them all out again for you to ignore all over again. You acted at the start as if this were a trial, how do you think it would go down in a real life trial ignoring everyones questions?

 

[Edx]

You're being intentionally deceptive. You know full well there will always be a glow like that on any metal right after heating.

Yes, all metals will glow if heated up enough. You kept claiming you know its steel because steel glows and aluminium does not, yet aluminium does glow as do all these other metals.

I also asked you how thermite kept steel molten for weeks and could create rivers of steel. You have dodged every critical question ever asked of you.

 

[tmd2_1]

So, your personal incredulity is acting up again?



Yes, pictures of what appears to be molten or melting aluminum.

Any reasonable person, given all the evidence, the witnesses, the pictures, the few steel beams that remained. Remember the FEMA report? the thing had a hole in it, a literal hole in it, would say there was indeed molten steel.

 

[Animal]

Yeah I'm sure the guy who built WTC, knows nothing about what molten steel may look like.

Your argument from incredulity is noted.
Most contractors / developers / structural engineers / architects have NEVER seen molten steel in real life. I haven't and I lived a couple of miles from a steel mill.

More importantly there are pictures whether you like to admit it or not.

your pictures do not prove a thing, whether you like it or not.

 

[tmd2_1]

Yes, all metals will glow if heated up enough.

I also asked you how thermite kept steel molten for weeks and could crate rivers of steel. You have dodged every critical question ever asked of you.

Right after heating...I said...did you see that video I posted of them pouring molten aluminum it does not look like what is in the picture.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Just give up....what could he possibly have been comparing it to.

I'm guessing he has seen rivers, probably little ones to0

A simile makes no sense what so ever in that situation...why not just just like a river?

because river implies BIG flow, Little river implies SMALL flow.........and since we know he cannot identify steel over any other molten metal and made no attempt to do so, or saw anything strange about what he saw............its a safe assumption that what he saw was a small flow of a molten material running down a beam.......

Now can you say why that is an indication of anything untoward?

Please give up.

why? you just lost BIG TIME. Thanks for making twoofers look even more foolish than usual.

 

[uke2se]

Any reasonable person, given all the evidence, the witnesses, the pictures, the few steel beams that remained. Remember the FEMA report? the thing had a hole in it, a literal hole in it, would say there was indeed molten steel.

No, no reasonable person would say that given the evidence. Cue the Twoof Movement.

 

[DC]

Because its not designed for those temperatures.

They also wouldn't have been able to put water on it at all as it would immediately turn to steam and could cause the molten steel to explode, which as you might imagine is dangerous.

oh well he surely would ruin the Greifer (the part actually touching the steel, didn't find any transaltion to it) but ihe hydraulic system would be fine.

 

[tmd2_1]

Yes, all metals will glow if heated up enough. You kept claiming you know its steel because steel glows and aluminium does not, yet aluminium does glow as do all these other metals.

I also asked you how thermite kept steel molten for weeks and could create rivers of steel. You have dodged every critical question ever asked of you.

No I didn't see previous post...look at that video of Molten aluminum compared to the pictures at the WTC.

 

[uke2se]

Right after heating...I said...did you see that video I posted of them pouring molten aluminum it does not look like what is in the picture.

The pictures other people have shown of molten aluminum looks like what is in the picture. Give it up!

 

[tmd2_1]

No I didn't see previous post...look at that video of Molten aluminum compared to the pictures at the WTC.

In fact you want to accuse me of not answering questions...answer that one. Compare the two...if you say they look the same you are bold faced liar.

 

[uke2se]

No I didn't see previous post

Yes, you did. The answers to Edx's questions aren't in your previous post.

 

[Edx]

Right after heating...I said...did you see that video I posted of them pouring molten aluminum it does not look like what is in the picture.

And yet the picture and video I showed shows glowing aluminium. You know why? Because the ones you keep bringing up are not hot enough.

Unlike steel aluminium can melt without glowing red first, that is why you will find glowing steel but that doesnt mean it was melted.

So at what temp will stainless steel glow red?

“Doesn’t really matter what the emitter is…stainless steel, cast iron, tungsten in your light bulb, the temps are about the same for a given color. Generally accepted colors/temps are:

C F Color

400 752 Red heat, visible in the dark
474 885 Red heat, visible in the twilight
525 975 Red heat, visible in the daylight
581 1077 Red heat, visible in the sunlight
700 1292 Dark red
800 1472 Dull cherry-red
900 1652 Cherry-red
1000 1832 Bright cherry-red
1100 2012 Orange-red “{*}

http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/wiki/Stainless_Steel

Here's a graphic:

I asked you again how thermite can keep steel molten for weeks and create rivers of the stuff. You have again ignored the question. The answer is that its impossible and the best explanation is that the melted metals were OTHER METALS with lower melting points.

 

[uke2se]

In fact you want to accuse me of not answering questions...answer that one. Compare the two...if you say they look the same you are bold faced liar.

"Answer this question and if you don't give me the answer I want I'll call you names!"

Good debating technique there, twoofer.

 

[tmd2_1]

I'm guessing he has seen rivers, probably little ones to0




because river implies BIG flow, Little river implies SMALL flow.........and since we know he cannot identify steel over any other molten metal and made no attempt to do so, or saw anything strange about what he saw............its a safe assumption that what he saw was a small flow of a molten material running down a beam.......

Now can you say why that is an indication of anything untoward?




why? you just lost BIG TIME. Thanks for making twoofers look even more foolish than usual.

Quite to the contrary. I have quite won. I posted several points in my initial thread. Witnesses (qualified ones) said they saw Molten steel. Why would Robertson say he saw it and then deny it? Think about that. I said said in the original post pictures appear to show molten steel. All these exchanges have done nothing but to strengthen that point. No reasonable person could conclude anything other then there was molten steel. And to think this was just one of my points.

 

[grandmastershek]

Yeah I'm sure the guy who built WTC, knows nothing about what molten steel may look like. More importantly there are pictures whether you like to admit it or not.

Considering fire investigators shouldn't assume as much I doubt an engineer should as well. But hey, you've been dancing around that fact for at least a 1/2 doz pages now haven't you?

I see this one going the way of Heiwa real quick.

Quite to the contrary. I have quite won. I posted a lot of claims, fallacious appeals, and repeated them over and over again. VICTORY!!!

Our new naked emperor everyone.

 

[uke2se]

Quite to the contrary. I have quite won. I posted several points in my initial thread. Witnesses (qualified ones) said they saw Molten steel. Why would Robertson say he saw it and then deny it? Think about that. I said said in the original post pictures appear to show molten steel. All these exchanges have done nothing but to strengthen that point. No reasonable person could conclude anything other then there was molten steel. And to think this was just one of my points.

Delusions.

 

[tmd2_1]

And yet the picture I showed shows glowing aluminium. You know why? Because the ones you keep bringing up are not hot enough.

Unlike steel aluminium can melt without glowing red first, that is why you will find glowing steel but that doesnt mean it was melted.

So at what temp will stainless steel glow red?



http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/wiki/Stainless_Steel

Here's a graphic:
[qimg]http://www.westyorkssteel.com/images/htchar1.gif[/qimg]

I asked you again how thermite can keep steel molten for weeks and create rivers of the stuff. You have again ignored the question. The answer is that its impossible and the best explanation is that the melted metals were OTHER METALS with lower melting points.

I'll ask you...what was burning so hot for so many days afterward? Millions of gallons dumped. Several rain falls, and yet it was still burning. Don't say the water couldn't get to it, that means it was oxygen starved as well. Can I prove theremite can burn that long? Maybe not....but there are some who say it can (but I'm sure they are all quacks). The question is what was burning that long.