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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

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I've looked at the freaking link.

What I am telling you is that the freaking sources you are citing are freaking incomplete.

The puts were investigated and the majority were found to be 1. part of a hedge by an institutional investor; 2. or subscribers to an option newsletter that recommended the puts.

But you don't see what the significance of the hedge is. Quite frankly, I get the feeling you are not smart enough to figure it out even if I explained it to you.

For example, I already pointed out that the CIT boys refused to release the actual raw video with Lloyde in it. So you have not seen it, so stop wasting our freaking time.
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I said I saw every piece of footage that related to Lloyde, that been released. Lloyde said what he said....if you a problem...go find him and ask him. As far as hedge funds or whatever....I can't make any more clear, there was an insane amount of put options in the weeks before. So grossly above average, it's not even in the realm of possibility. Simple as that really.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I said I saw every piece of footage that related to Lloyde, that been released. Lloyde said what he said....if you a problem...go find him and ask him.
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But what you are presenting is not the whole story. You are lying by omission.

tmd2_1 said:
As far as hedge funds or whatever....I can't make any more clear, there was an insane amount of put options in the weeks before. So grossly above average, it's not even in the realm of possibility. Simple as that really.
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Do you still not understand this? Let me break it down:

1. Airline companies were in a slump.
2. Airline stock was declining
3. Stock brokers gambled that the stock would continue to decline.
4. 9/11 had nothing to do with it.
 
uke2se said:
Do you feel that you have presented an equal amount of evidence to support your argument that waypastvne has to support his?
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In regards to the passport, well I mean my main evidence is we have a crash and fires that brought down the twin towers and a passport survived? Seems a little weird to me. I mean to support my hypothesis, I'm not sure what evidence I can provide. He has some interesting stuff, for sure. Like I said we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. But it is a total non-issue I never mentioned it my main thread. In regards to everything else...tons more evidence.
 
tmd2_1 said:
In regards to the passport, well I mean my main evidence is we have a crash and fires that brought down the twin towers and a passport survived? Seems a little weird to me. I mean to support my hypothesis, I'm not sure what evidence I can provide. He has some interesting stuff, for sure. Like I said we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. But it is a total non-issue I never mentioned it my main thread.
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So, all you have is basically an argument from personal incredulity. Thanks.
 
uke2se said:
But what you are presenting is not the whole story. You are lying by omission.



Do you still not understand this? Let me break it down:

1. Airline companies were in a slump.
2. Airline stock was declining
3. Stock brokers gambled that the stock would continue to decline.
4. 9/11 had nothing to do with it.
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Yeah I'm sure that's what happened...go back and look at the link I provided. The numbers are so absurd, it doesn't even fall into the realm of speculation.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Yeah I'm sure that's what happened...go back and look at the link I provided. The numbers are so absurd, it doesn't even fall into the realm of speculation.
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Neither you nor the person responsible for what's in your link apparently know anything about the stock market. It's another argument from personal incredulity.
 
uke2se said:
So, all you have is basically an argument from personal incredulity. Thanks.
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What I have is an argument that has common sense. Even if we believe it some how was one of those lucky pieces that shot out of the plane, it went so far, so the rubble would not destroy it? That doesn't seem a bit hard to take?
 
uke2se said:
Neither you nor the person responsible for what's in your link apparently know anything about the stock market. It's another argument from personal incredulity.
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It has mainstream sources..take it up with them.
 
tmd2_1 said:
In regards to the passport, well I mean my main evidence is we have a crash and fires that brought down the twin towers and a passport survived? Seems a little weird to me. I mean to support my hypothesis, I'm not sure what evidence I can provide. He has some interesting stuff, for sure. Like I said we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. But it is a total non-issue I never mentioned it my main thread. In regards to everything else...tons more evidence.
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Its not just that one passport that survived the crash (it was picked up before the collapses).

For example... Luggage, a airline itineray, a letter from a passenger and a crap load of other perishable stuff you'd find in a plane all ejected from it. You'd have to imagine little ninjas running around planting the stuff in broad daylight.

And I gave you a link to another time a perishable item survived a plane crash.
 
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Quoting Fizzard's post here otherwise apparently it will go ignored:

Fizzard said:
Sylmar fire's collateral damage
Los Angeles Times - Nov 28, 2008

Earlier this month, fire erupted in the hills above Sylmar. It blew through Oakridge Mobile Home Park, burning with such ferocity that rain gutters turned into pools of molten metal and car tires were melted down to tangled nests of steel radials.

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Deadly pile-up paralyses city
From: Herald Sun (Melbourne)
March 24, 2007 12:00AM

As the Burnley Tunnel tragedy unfolded:

WITNESSES watched a 15m fireball turn cars to molten metal and send thick plumes of smoke billowing skyward.
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"This was extreme heat -- the wrecks are just molten metal," [Metropolitan Fire Brigade acting chief Keith Adamson] said.

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Police unable to locate drivers who escaped tunnel fire
The Daily Journal (San Mateo County), October 15, 2007

As the highway reopened early Monday, investigators worked to identify vehicles, some of which were reduced to molten steel in the fire's intense heat.

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Tank Explosion Tied To California Bus Fire
Evening Independent - Jun 27, 1981

The intensity of the flames sent streams of molten metal running along the highway and blackened asphalt for a quarter of a mile.

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[San Bernardino County Coroner Harvey Castro] said all the bodies were burned beyond recognition by the intense heat, "which just melted the bus."

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Indicators of Trouble
John J. Lentini
w w w. firescientist.com/Documents/IndicatorsOfTrouble.pdf

A study of the 1991 Oakland fire that burned 3,000 homes revealed the presence of melted copper in over 80% of the burned structures, and what appeared to be melted steel in over 90% of the burned structures. With respect to steel, looks can be deceiving. What appears to be melted may be merely oxidized.

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Fire Melts Steel Road Supports
Schenectady Gazette, August 7, 1989

A fire at an illegal dump beneath an elevated highway yesterday melted steel supports and buckled a section of the busy route into the New York metropolitan area, authorities said.

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Old Amusement Park Burns
The Spokesman-Review (Spokane, WA) - Jul 22, 1963

Fire of searing intensity consumed much of the old Forest Park Highlands Amusement Park, a St. Louis landmark. The blaze, at its height here, "melted steel like butter," said one awed spectator.

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Massive fire engulfs several blocks of Ybor City
Boca Raton News (Associated Press) - May 20, 2000

Several blocks of historic Ybor City went up in flames Friday, wiping out a $30 million luxury apartment complex under construction and destroying a post office.

The massive six-alarm blaze, caused by a construction accident, melted steel girders on nearby construction projects and sent construction workers and postal employees fleeing from the inferno.

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Troopers Identify Fourth Victim In Fishing Boat Fire
Anchorage Daily News - Sep 15, 1982

Troopers said they have recovered remains of at least seven bodies from the fishing vessel Investor, which burned Sept. 7. The body of 4-year-old John Coulthurst was not found, but trooper spokesman Paul Edscorn said investigators believe the intense heat of the fire completely destroyed any remains.

"We're talking about a fire that melted steel," Edscorn said.

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Worker Injured When Fire Erupts At Paint Warehouse
Ocala Star-Banner - May 28, 1987

Fire broke out at a paint warehouse on the city's north side Wednesday night, injuring one worker and turning the building into a pile of melted steel girders, authorities said.

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Five-Alarm Blaze Razes Factory in New Orleans
The Victoria Advocate - Jul 9, 1980 (AP)

Flames, so hot they melted steel, destroyed the 800,000-square-foot American Standard plumbing accessories plant on Lake Pontchartrain early Tuesday and injured at least two firefighters who fought the spectacular blaze for more than six hours.

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4 DIE IN HIGH-RISE FIRE
Chicago Sun-Times - January 18, 1996

What apparently drove residents to risk life and limb was dense, acrid smoke that filled the building and flames "so hot they melted steel," [Fire Commissioner Raymond] Orozco said.

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Repairs to damaged stadium include safety improvements
USA TODAY - Aug 3, 1993

The fire, linked to cooking fuel left unattended, destroyed eight suites. Also, smoke damaged the press box and press lounge and the booth where the scoreboard and video displays are operated. The intense heat melted steel beams, forcing temporary closing of the 1,700 seats.

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Mobile home park is ground zero of Calif. wildfire
USA Today, November 15, 2008

Powerful Santa Ana winds continued to beat down, carrying ash and twigs from the devastated landscape. Elegant cacti spewed smoke and mail boxes hung from charred posts. Cars and motorcycles were reduced to piles of ash and molten steel.
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AJM8125 said:
What melted "steel"?
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dafydd said:
The imaginary melted steel in Trutherworld.
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We are not getting started on this again. Everything you need to see is in the original post. I will speak no more about this. This is clearly a tactic of yours(meaning members of the site)

As for dafydd, you have an awful lot of nerve. Why should anything, you ever say be taken remotely seriously. You are a proven liar. I ask you how
I did and you say what test? Your positions, as if you ever gave any anyway, you are just a cheerleader, have absolutely no meaning It is quite obvious you are not here to debate what so ever.
 
tmd2_1 said:
What I have is an argument that has common sense. Even if we believe it some how was one of those lucky pieces that shot out of the plane, it went so far, so the rubble would not destroy it? That doesn't seem a bit hard to take?
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No, your argument doesn't "have common sense". The physics involved have been explained to you. Why do you pertend otherwise?
 
tmd2_1 said:
We are not getting started on this again. Everything you need to see is in the original post. I will speak no more about this. This is clearly a tactic of yours(meaning members of the site)
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You mean the tactic of making you evidence the crap you're spewing? The tactic of actually looking at the truth, as opposed to the twoof?

tmd2_1 said:
As for dafydd, you have an awful lot of nerve. Why should anything, you ever say be taken remotely seriously.
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You should ask yourself this question.

tmd2_1 said:
You are a proven liar.
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No, but you are.
 
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